Relevant scriptures and quotes:
- "The elements are eternal" (D&C 93:33).
- "The spirit of man is not a created being; it existed from eternity, and will exist to eternity. Anything created cannot be eternal; and earth, water, etc., had their existence in an elementary state, from eternity" (Joseph Smith, in HC 3:387).
- The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and reorganized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning and can have no end" (HC 6:308-309).
- "There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; we cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter" (D&C 131:7-8).
Implications:
- If the purpose in life is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man and if matter cannot be created or destroyed, then the gods will run out of raw material with which to create spirit children and other world's.
- Even if matter is repurposed (e.g. planet matter repurposed for spirit children) the gods still need enough material to create an earth for those children to live on.
- A possible solution to this problem is that gods have the potential to cease to be god as stated in the BoM. It could be the case that this god return to basic intelligences and then repurposed for other children.
- Along the same lines as the point above, the sons of perdition or those in outer darkness could return to their base intelligences for raw material to be used for other purposes
This just dawned on me today. This may be inconsistent with Mormon theology since I haven't dug deep into this topic for quite sometime. But from my studies and my perception when I was believing, this seems to be the natural conclusion. I look forward to your thoughts.
I deconverted over a year ago, but I still ponder some theological deficiencies that bubble to the surface from my days of indoctrination.
Recently, I had this question: do Christians expect to have free will in heaven? Is this possible without “sin”? Example: lust. A thought crime. Will nobody in heaven ever think “I’d hit that” when they see a total smoke show? I don’t know, the whole story about sin is messed up. If God gave humans free will to sin so that their love for him could be “legitimate,” why would he take it away in heaven and program them with perfect obedience? And if he’s supposed to do that in heaven, why couldn’t he have done that shit on earth? If the only problem is satan and his ability to tempt, why didn’t he just destroy satan on the spot? Like, he flooded the earth, but he left satan. WTF? What a doodle.
Want to load up on these topics, and related ones too, as much as possible over summer but with a stack of summer reading and things to do I'm against time, any help Reddit?
I see lots of ex ismailis having extreme hatred for the aga khan and it all seems to boil down to money! Is that the only reason or is there a bigger reason of the hate?
The following includes some of my own commentary. I don't mean to put words into the mouth of McKeever. Listen to the episode for his summary and points of difference between Christianity and Mormonism.
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McKeever brought up the fact that people arriving at an LDS temple open house will be shown an introdctory film about temples which includes allusions to mormonism's theology, rituals, and the faithfuls' expectations surrounding temple rites. The faithful often condense this down to key phrases, capped by "Families are forever!" When quizzed about specifics, especially the non-watered down freemasonry-derived rituals, they usually clam up using another expression as a shield, "That's too sacred to talk about!" Then they drift off in hushed tones. "Respect the temple." The initiation film for temple open houses includes a section from apostle Jeffrey Holland that attempts to drill down to the basics, "Heaven wouldn't be heaven if my wife were not there with me." McKeever rightly points out that this goes against standard Christian dogma. He didn't quote this, but he should have:
> [Matthew 10] ^37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Family is not a necessary component for true christians. Instead, an eternity of worshiping their lord and savior awaits the faithful. McKeever points out that placing hope in another a non-perfect human being is not christian. Family is not a part of it.
> [Matthew 22] ^30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Evangelical and Mormon theologies diverge on this point. No one is perfect. Romans 3:23 is something I often point to myself. The remedy proposed by evangelicals is to put ultimate trust in Jesus, per Ephesians 2:8-9. Mormons propose something different. The requirement is for perfection:
> [Matthew 5] ^48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
The Book of Mormon emphasizes this life is the time to meet god,
> [Alma 34] ^32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors, [...] ^35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repenta
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I am a devout Roman Catholic who has read a plethora of Catholic authors and I'm knowledgeable about my own faith. I will read one book on reformed theology. It has to be under five-hundred pages. What should it be?
Holding xx shares I bought at various points on Friday and yesterday. I’ve been in GME & AMC for a while now, and have faith that 45 will put an end to the criminality that happens behind closed doors on Wall Street! Wall Street used to be an American pride that showed off our financial prowess and the GME situation showed the holes in the curtain.
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The following includes some of my own commentary. I don't mean to put words into the mouth of McKeever. Listen to the episode for his summary and points of difference between Christianity and Mormonism.
| sequence | download | comments |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | mp3 | *, see below. |
McKeever brought up the fact that people arriving at an LDS temple open house will be shown an introdctory film about temples which includes allusions to mormonism's theology, rituals, and the faithfuls' expectations surrounding temple rites. The faithful often condense this down to key phrases, capped by "Families are forever!" When quizzed about specifics, especially the non-watered down freemasonry-derived rituals, they usually clam up using another expression as a shield, "That's too sacred to talk about!" Then they drift off in hushed tones. "Respect the temple." The initiation film for temple open houses includes a section from apostle Jeffrey Holland that attempts to drill down to the basics, "Heaven wouldn't be heaven if my wife were not there with me." McKeever rightly points out that this goes against standard Christian dogma. He didn't quote this, but he should have:
> [Matthew 10] ^37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Family is not a necessary component for true Christians. Instead, an eternity of worshiping their lord and savior awaits the faithful. McKeever points out that placing hope in another a non-perfect human being is not christian. Family is not a part of it.
> [Matthew 22] ^30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Evangelical and Mormon theologies diverge on this point. No one is perfect. Romans 3:23 is something I often point to myself. The remedy proposed by evangelicals is to put ultimate trust in Jesus, per Ephesians 2:8-9. Mormons propose something different. The requirement is for perfection:
> [Matthew 5] ^48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
The Book of Mormon emphasizes this life is the time to meet god,
> [Alma 34] ^32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors, [...] ^35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repenta
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