Brethren,
As a new EA and as a chance to learn while teaching, I've volunteered to do a short presentation in my lodge. One of the suggested topics that I'd like to explore is "The Perfect Points of Entrance/Four Cardinal Virtues".
The trouble is there is very little information out there and what I have found are several 1 page write ups that appear to cite the same two sources.
I am hoping that the brain trust here can help me to find more reference material than I have found so far or maybe write a line or two of what you think about these items.
Hello, how are you doing?
The following thought came to me:
There are the the four cardinal virtues...
- Wisdom
- Courage
- Justice
- Temperance
Don't we have to add a fifth cardinal virtue?
The empathy?
The ability to put yourself in other people's shoes... Or does this idea contradict the dichotomy of control? Because only the attempt to put yourself in the shoes of others is beyond our influence, since everyone has an individual mindset? Especially if you follow the philosophy of Stoic internally, but the person towards me does not.
And is this difference, in philosophical thinking to the other person, not exactly the reason to make empathy the fifth cardinal virtue? To live ab better live in the long run?
But maybe empathy is already part of wisdom, and i just make it complicated?
I just realised that the 4 stoic virtues and the 4 cardinal virtues of catholicism are identical: Prudence, fortitude, temperance and justice. Can anyone tell me which philosophy influenced the other? Or did they arrive at the virtues independently? I couldn't get a clear answer from google search.
Good morning friends!
Something I've thought about a lot lately is how to define the subdivisions of the cardinal virtues wisdom, justice, self-control and courage (or whichever other translation one prefers), and what specifically exercising these virtues together would look like. Does anyone have any tips on how they approached this aspect of Stoicism?
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Hi yβall, first time posting on this sub, and I could use some help creating memorable villains for my players.
In my 4e game set in Tilea, my players have begun uncovering the existence of an ancient Cult of Solkan. Though this is merely the beginning of a long and bloody investigation, I thought Iβd go ahead and stat out some of the members most likely to βsilenceβ the party.
THE INSPIRATION: The four cardinal virtues: Courage, Wisdom, Temperance, and Justice. A four-pointed compass rose theme seemed like a fitting juxtaposition to the eight-pointed star of Chaos. Also, letβs be honest: the movie Se7en.
THE FLUFF: The Four Virtues are the strong-arm of the Cult of Solkan in the Tilea region. These four men (or women, or something more sinister) have proven their absolute loyalty to the Cult, and their zeal has allowed them to rise through the ranks to the point where they can be considered a living embodiment of the Strictures of Solkan. Though they give up their name and identity, they are seemingly blessed with holy powers related to the Virtue they embody.
My question for you all is: if you were creating such a group, how would you have each Virtue represent their namesake? Iβd prefer the members to be human, as the Cult of Solkan doesnβt take super well to the elder races, but this is not a hard requirement. Some Virtues seem easy: Courage as your stereotypical prideful paladin-type, Wisdom as a mage or priest of some sort, but others are harder to envision, like Temperance.
I can give more information upon request. Thanks for any and all considerations.
First reminder:
It's easy to say, what "wu wei" is not:
- wu wei is not "doing nothing"
- wu wei is not "to go with the flow"
- wu wei is not "effortless doing"
- wu wei is not "doing just enough"
- wu wei is not "being natural / like nature"
By "going with the flow" and "effortless doing" and "doing just enough" or "being natural / like nature" you could subdue your workers, manipulate people, betray your family and friends. Quite against Daoism - isn't it?
So there has to be a content / goal / practice what "wu wei" is about and the content has to be daoist. If it isn' daoist it would not be "wu wei".
Therefore:
What is "wu wei" from a daoist view?
"Wu wei" is doing and not doing *in line with / according to* Dao (universal principle / way of man and society) and De (deep / profound Virtue).
Second reminder:
"Wu wei" is not the core topic of Daoism. It is part of many "wu" (no, not, nothing) of daoism to empty the heart-mind (xin) to have a clear and calm heart-mind and being natural and simple and to have De (deep / profound virtue, potency, skill like the butcher, the archer, the swimmer, the painter, the artisan etc,)
There are:
Wu ming (not naming), bu shi fei (no this and that) , wu zhi /wu xue (no knowledge / no doctrine), wu wo (no I/me), wu yu (no desire), wu qing (no emotions), wu you (not having / being), wu zheng (no quarrel), wu yong (no use, useless), wu wei er wu bu wei (doing nothing but nothing is left undone), wu xin (no heart-mind), equanimity in change, free and easy wandering (you) etc.
Those are *no absolutes* but reminders and finger pointers and of course practice. They are "means" of practice and not at the core of Daoism. At the core there are Dao and De.
Third reminder:
From a daoist view
- there is the "Great Dao" (Da Dao) (the cosmological Dao) which gives birth to everything, nourishes everything, let them grow, embraces everything and returns (death/ change). (Laozi 40, 42, 51, Zhuangzi 12.8). That's quite trivial because if everything is Dao Dao is everything. Simple logics. A = A and all a,b,c,d etc are parts of A.
- there is the "Dao" (way / path) of man and society - a life according / in line with Dao and De (deep virtue). Laozi and Zhuangzi are writing dozens of verses and chapters, what Dao and De is and what not (wu dao = without dao, wu de = without de) , what has Dao and De and what not.
Summary:
It is easy to say what "wu wei" is not.
But what is "w
... keep reading on reddit β‘There's a boatload of virtues but only 4 (or 7) cardinal virtues. Part of me wants to put the secondary virtues into an organized structure with the primaries showing dependencies.
Ex: Courage could be a container for Resilience, Endurance, Confidence. Justice could be a container for Fairness, Cooperation, Gentleness.
Has anyone ever shared a full model of virtue relationships? FWIW, I'm mostly interested in Stoic virtue ethics but still eager to hear how other systems make sense of it.
I watched NYSM and NYSM 2, and I think this movie is the most stoic movie I have ever seen. Here some examples, movie says '' control is the ultimate illusion. '', Only the wise person is free, Only the wise person is rich. Wisdom, temperance, justice, and courage are the main team in the movie, I can go on.
There is an invention of a new value, Z has proclaimed. It is the highest virtue. It is metaphorically and aesthetically depicted as "luminosity" or a "shining virtue". The desire to give to the world what it needs to manifest the vision of those who shine. Elsewhere, it is titled: "The Will to Power".
Let us look, briefly, at a few other texts from Nietzsche, to flush out our understanding of this virtue, this "new highest value".
From the "Gay Science" or "Joyful Wisdom":
>Star Morality
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>Foredoomed to spaces vast and far,
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>What matters darkness to the star?
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>Roll calmly on, let time go by,
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>Let sorrows pass thee β nations die!
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>Compassion would but dim the light
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>That distant worlds will gladly sight.
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>To thee one law β be pure and bright!
How does Pre-Nietzschean Western Cosmology view the stars? With equations.
There are paths the star must follow, we have derived from our data analysis and mathematical impositions.
Go out in space, dear reader, and speak to a start about "dark areas of space it must travel through".
What will your words be to the star? What can the star understand of "dark areas of space?"
What the star knows is what it has to give. it wills to send its light into the farthest reaches that it can.
The Christian conception of the Cosmos has invented for us Science. It has given us a world that is a construct. It is a complicated clockwork or cathedral... the science can objectify the world and comprehend the formulas which govern how it works... but when they invented this, they also invented the workspace upon which it lies. They invented the space outside the Universe, where the great clockmaker uses his tools upon the objects on his table. This is how the language of "laws governing the motion of celestial bodies" can be spoken and invented. Laws like gravity.
Nietzsche rejects this entirely. He isn't arguing in a Christian world that the Christian God is not one of the objects in that world. He is not arguing that the evidence of the objects on the worktable do not point to a God. He also would not argue for those things. He is on Anselm level, in this way. BOTH Nietzsche and Anselm understand that only a fool can look at the Christian world and deny the Christian God.
Nietzsche's differences ar
... keep reading on reddit β‘Any ideas where I can find a decent print of the four cardinal virtues? I'd love to have small statues, but the cost of each (I found them for $45 each), plus accompanying pedestals, would be prohibitive. I can't find any decent prints for sale, and while Google Images returns some nice looking pictures, the resolution is so low that making a print myself wouldn't look good.
What do you guys use?
Hey r/drawingprompt, was looking for tattoo idea for something along the lines of four characters representing the four virtues which are temperance, justice, courage, and wisdom.
