Disclaimer: I will not be counting players who have only played 1 season in the NBA as they skew the numbers Chris Taft leads the draft in FG% but has only played 17 games.
Leading
- Base Stats
- Minutes Played, 35558. Next is Marvin Williams with 30159
- Total Points, 18829. Next is Monta Ellis with 14858
- Total Assists, 9653. Next is Deron Williams with 6819
- Advanced Stats
- Win Shares, 180.3. Next is Deron Williams with 77.3
- Win Shares/48 Minutes, .243. Next is Andrew Bynum with .168, which is not more than Paul's regular win shares
- Box Plus and Minus, 7.6. Next is Deron Williams with 1.9
- Value Over Replacement Player, 86.0. Next is Deron Williams with 28.3
- Close to leading
- Chris Paul is second in most games played (1020), first is Marvin Williams with 1072 games played
- Third in FT%, .870% Salim Stoudamire and Dijon Thompson have only played two and three seasons respectively
- 6th in 3P%, with .370%
- Chris Paul is 7th in the draft for total rebounds with 4611. However the players above him are all C/PF's and Paul is a 6'0 point guard
- Tied
- Chris Paul is tied for first for seasons played with Marvin Williams, 15 seasons played.
- However, Marvin Williams has recently announced his retirement for the NBA
- All Time Advanced Stats
- Chris Paul is 14th in All Time Win Share Leaders, with 180.34
- Shaquille O'Neal and Julius Erving are ahead of him with 181.71 and 181.11 respectively
- Chris Paul is 7th in All Time Value Over Replacement Player Leaders with 86.01
- Tim Duncan is ahead of him with 91.12
- Chris Paul is 3rd in All Time Box Plus and Minus with 7.58
- LeBron James is ahead of him with 8.93
- Chris Paul is 4th in All Time Win Shares Per 48 Minutes with .2434
- Wilt Chamberlain is ahead of him with .2480
- Sources
- 2005 NBA Draft Basketball Reference
- NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Basketball Reference
- NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus Basketball Reference
- NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes Basketball Reference
I'm looking for old NBA Draft scouting reports to try to get more insight about how NBA Draft scouts have thought over time. I have all of the Draftexpress scouting reports from 2006 to 2013 but it's actually difficult to find old ESPN scouting reports because of weird formatting and ESPN Insider working strangely these days (eg, I have ESPN+ and it will keep telling me to log in to access ESPN Insider even though ESPN+ replaced ESPN Insider...). What are good resources for historical NBA draft evaluations?
>Shaw University junior Amir Hinton told ESPN that he will declare for the 2019 NBA draft and hire an agent, forgoing his final season of collegiate eligibility.
>"I think the timing is perfect for me," he said. "I will be hiring an agent. I am ready. I am going to try and be a lottery pick."
>He had 34 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists and 5 steals, playing in front of 12 credentialed NBA scouts, according to Shaw coach Joel Hopkins.
>"All 30 NBA teams have been in to see him this season," Hopkins told ESPN. "Some of them multiple times."
>Hinton confirmed as much.
>"Some scouts have told me I am a top-three guard in this class," he said.
>Hinton led Division II in scoring this season with 29.4 points per game and was named CIAA Player of the Year. NBA scouts have told ESPN they are intrigued with his combination of size, athleticism and shot-making ability at 6-foot-5. Hinton told ESPN he is hoping to be invited to the NBA draft combine in Chicago in May.
The last D2 player selected was Robert Whaley (Jazz) in 2005.
He was drafted by the Grand Rapids Drive.
Anthony Brown was the first pick in the D-League draft today, picked by the erie bayhawks, the magic's affiliate
The 49ers would draft QB Alex Smith from the University of Utah with the first overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft.
Two short months later, the Milwaukee Bucks would draft Aussie Screen-Machine Andrew Bogut with the first overall pick in the 2005 NBA Draft.
Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams, Chris Paul, and Raymond Felton are all still in the league. Deron (3rd overall pick) is the only one not signed to a team. Pretty surprising that he couldn't last longer than Marvin Williams, who's been considered a bust.
So when do you think Fran Vazquez is joining the Magic? He was drafted by the Orlando Magics in 2005 with the 11th pick. Will he ever come over or is he trying to become Dario Saric by never coming over?
Two gifted point guards who drafted very close to each other at 2005. At the (near) end of their careers one is considered one of the best PG ever played the game and the other just waived by his team.
Here is the complete 2005 NBA draft
A friend/former co-worker of mine was selected in the draft that year, and I wanted to dig up some memories for him.
> Gregg Popovich politely declined to talk about closing in on Don Nelson for the most career regular season NBA coaching wins. > > Reporter shifts to asking Pop what his key to success has been. > > Pop's reply: "Key to success? Draft Tim Duncan. After that, stay alive."
Nikola Jovic is a 18-year-old, 6' 10" forward from (you guessed it) Serbia projected to be selected in the first round of the 2022 NBA Draft.
"Nikola Jovic" is very similar to "Nikola Jokic," the name of a famous basketball player for the Nuggets of Denver, Colorado.
Similar sounding names can often be a source of confusion, but sometimes these coincidences can also be amusing, such as in this example of "Nikola Jovic" and "Nikola Jokic."
I mean, HOLY SHIT, the Kings haven't even made the playoffs for like almost two decades. 2005-06 was just LeBron's third season in the league, Kobe was at the height of his powers, Agent 0 was dominating the league with his offensive onslaught, Curry wasn't even drafted yet, etc. It's not like they haven't had some excellent players over the years, which they have had in Cousins and Fox. But other than drafting those two guys, the Kings haven't made many other good decisions since that regular season. If the 2021-22 regular season ended today, the Kings would barely be out of the play-in tournament, so that's not good news for the Kings (and their loyal fans).
Wish this was the sort of thing that could get discussed on /r/nba, but apparently not lol. Anyway, curious what people's thoughts are on their list and what y'alls nominations would be
Bill Simmons went all out this year for his Worst *"Most Regrettable" Contracts Draft, bringing on Wozny Lambre and Joe House to go through a multi-round snake draft of the worst contracts in the NBA. I thought it was pretty interesting and decided to tabulate the results. Pod is here and the draft explanation begins around 55:30.
Below is their draft order and some of their comments, and below that are their picks and the contract figures.
- Davis Bertans - Classic good stats on a bad team guy who stole money. He's not 1 dimensional, he's half dimensional and cannot guard anyone.
- Michael Porter Jr. - This contract is a nightmare. They didn't have to do it. It's the kind of contract that can kill half a decade. He's played 125 games in his career.
- John Wall - he aint playing.
- De'Aaron Fox - the numbers, especially in the clutch, are awful. He's being paid to be the guy but he's being outplayed by his teammate. You go in big at the deepest position in the league and now he's hard to trade.
- Westbrook - If I'm the clippers, I wouldn't trade him for Morris and Reggie Jackson. That makes me worse. I wouldn't trade him for wall if I'm the rockets. I've done that.
- Ben Simmons - he's getting paid like a number 1 offensive dude and he's a number 4. But the diva act, the lack of improvement and season sabotage... and you're paying this dude 33 million?
- Klay Thompson - He's going to make 50 million (based on trade kicker) dollars a year. You talk about injury? He's coming off an ACL AND an Achilles, and he's getting paid like he does what Jokic does.
- Tobias Harris - I saw him in person 9 days ago and I can't tell you a single thing he did.
- Markelle Fultz - He got a 50M for 1 season for the Magic where he averaged 12 ppg on 46% shooting. What's going on in Orlando? They thought he was the next MCW
- Kevin Love - He's the OG of bad contracts. Poster child of demanding a trade when nobody wants you. He's playing well but overpaid.
- Talen Horton-Tucker - I've been watching basketball my entire life - what does this guy do? I can't understand the excitement around him for the life of
I've looked at all the ones on youtube and they don't have most drafts, anyone know where to find others?
With the recent talk of the NBA adding expansion teams in Seattle and Vegas, the likelihood of a looming expansion draft brings up some interesting questions.
The NBA's last expansion draft was in 2004, and saw players like Jason Kapono and Gerald Wallace stripped from their respective teams to form the rosters for the new expansion teams.
Pre-existing teams could "protect" 8 players, which lead to some tough choices on teams with good depth and youth. Impending unrestricted free agents are essentially ignored in an expansion draft.
So, which 8 players would your favourite team protect? And who would be the toughest player/s to potentially let go?
For the Suns, I'd say: Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Mikal Bridges, Jae Crowder, DeAndre Ayton, Cam Johnson, Cam Payne, and Landry Shamet.
It would suck to lose Jalen Smith or Javale (for different reasons) but I feel big men are more replaceable than wings, hence the decision to keep Shamet.
Couple Things to Note from Vecenie:
Draft Order Most Likely Will be the Biggest Factor for Who will Go 1st:
> Right now, the team that gets the No. 1 overall pick will have an immense influence on who goes No. 1. This is not a draft that currently has a no-doubter guy at the top, a la Zion Williamson, Cade Cunningham or Anthony Davis. Rather, I would say there is a good group of four players at the top in Jabari Smith Jr., Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren and Jaden Ivey. Team needs will play a role, given the preponderance of big men in that group. And simply put, it’ll be an eye-of-the-beholder situation.
Why You Might See Some Players You Know/Like In This Mock Draft:
> I tried my best to realistically project who will declare and who won’t, but we obviously have nothing in the way of answers there yet. In that vein, if you don’t see a player here, that doesn’t necessarily mean that I think said player is bad. Rather, I may have just decided not to push said underclassman through to the draft.
Draft Order:
> The draft order is based on league-wide rankings as of Jan. 3. Team needs are not accounted for, although if there was something of an interesting fit, I did make sure to note that. There are 58 picks in the 2022 NBA Draft, as the Miami Heat and Milwaukee Bucks have forfeited their second-round picks this year due to free-agency tomfoolery and shenanigans.
Mock Draft:
Only including excerpts for the Top 15 + Jaden Hardey at 21st (Since both Jovic & Hardey were mentioned in the Top 13 of the Mid-season Consensus Board on this sub)
- Detroit Pistons - Jabari Smith Jr
> I have Smith at No. 1 entering the new year, but it’s a razor-thin margin between him, Banchero and Holmgren. Why Smith? I think his upside is juuuuust a bit higher than the other two if everything breaks right with his game...Smith profiles well as a good team’s second-best scoring option who can also be a strong defensive player. That’s a scalable player to winning situations, and he fits exceedingly well in Detroit given the Pistons’ disastrous shooting this year.
- Orlando Magic - Paolo Banchero
> He’s still very strongly in the mix to go No. 1. He’s as polished a mismatch
... keep reading on reddit ➡Without a doubt one of the best drafting runs of all time got completely thrown away by Gar Forman and John Paxson. Here are the assets the Chicago Bulls got for 4 of best players of the early 2010s.
Derrick Rose: MVP x1, All-Star x3, All-NBA x1
> traded with Justin Holiday and a 2017 Second Rounder for Jerian Grant, Robin Lopez, and Jose Calderon.
> Jose Calderon was later flipped to LAL with two second rounders for the rights to Ater Mojok (former 58th pick) in a salary dump trade.
Luol Deng: All-Star x2, All-Defensive 2nd Team x1
> traded to CLE for Andrew Bynum, 2 second round picks, the right to swap picks with Cleveland in 2015, and a protected future SAC 1st rounder that would turn into a 2nd if not collected by 2017 (protections necessitated a finish outside the bottom 10 for Sacramento).
> Andrew Bynum was released for cap space.
> the pick swap in 2015 did not occur as Cleveland was the 1 seed and Chicago the 3.
> Sacramento pick turned into a 2nd rounder after not placing outside the top 10 pick for 4 seasons. This 2nd rounder, Jordan Bell, was traded to GSW for $3.5 M.
Joakim Noah: DPOY x1, All-Star x3, All-NBA x1, All-Defensive 1st Team x2, All-Defensive 2nd Team x1, placed 4th in MVP vote in 2014
> The Bulls let him walk away for nothing, although it could be argued that the cap hold he left behind was more valuable at the time.
Jimmy Butler: All-Star x3, All-NBA x1, All-Defense x3 (presumably x4)
> traded to MIN with the CHI 2017 1st Round Pick for Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, and MIN 2017 1st Rounder.
> This 1st rounder was used to draft Lauri Markkanen out of Arizona.
NOTE: This is somewhat flawed path following as these players were all past their primes at the time of their respective trade with the exception of Butler, some horridly so. I still believe that better return could have been had sooner in their careers in all cases though.
#TL;DR:
> OUT: Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler, Justin Holiday, 1 first rounder, 4 second rounders
> IN: Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, Lauri Markkanen, Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant, 2 second rounders, the rights to Ater Mojok, a pick swap that dod not concede, about $40M in cap space, and $3.5M in cash.
For the love of all that is good, #FireGarPax.
The college basketball season hits its mid-point soon and the Celtics have clear needs to improve this roster, so I wanted to review some of my favorite prospects in the 2022 class. Not to say the Cs' season is already over, but this class, despite its "top-heavy" label, includes some really interesting fits.
Teams should draft for BPA rather than for need, but as luck would have it, this draft class runs pretty deep in players that address the Cs' deficiencies.
The Celtics Need Playmaking
It's painfully obvious the Celtics need offense. They rank 7th in dRTG, per NBA.com, yet are 22nd in oRTG. Any lack of a system is compounded by players who cannot generate offense. We can break that general "offense" term into two even more general categories: playmaking and shooting.
Playmaking
| Category | Stat | NBA Rank |
|---|---|---|
| Passes per Game | 290.3 | 10th |
| AST per Game | 22.7 | 22nd |
| Potential AST per Game | 45.4 | 18th |
| ISO Freq | 9.3% | 3rd |
| ISO PPP | 0.92 | 8th |
| Transition Freq | 13.5% | t-24th |
| Transition PPP | 1.01 | 29th |
| PnR Freq (Ball Handler/Roll Man) | 16.3%/4.6% | 17th/28th |
| PnR PPP (Ball Handler/Roll Man) | 0.84/1.05 | 20th/23rd |
| Drives | 50.7 | 6th |
| Points off Drives | 27.0 | 8th |
The stats could seem promising. The C's are 10th in passing and 6th in drives, after all. However, the fact they are below average in assists and transition while remaining 3rd in ISOs tells me their passes are not directly generating easy buckets.
This team doesn't have the ball flying around the court to create an open man like Golden State or Phoenix, and doesn't have a central hub like Jokic manipulating 5 defenders at once. The eye test shows they're moving the ball on the perimeter until someone ISOs, shoots, or drives. It clearly isn't working.
Shooting
| Category | Stat | NBA Rank |
|---|---|---|
| 3PA | 36.3 | 12th |
| 3P% | 33.3 | 24th |
| eFG% | 51.1 | 24th |
| C&S eFG% | 50.5 | 26th |
| Pull Up eFG% | 42.4 | 24th |
| Handoff eFG% | 48.6 | 14th |
| Off Screen eFG% | 43.4 | 26th |
| Cut eFG% | 69.9 | 3rd |
Despite taking more 3s than average, the C's are straight bad in nearly every facet of shooting (except handoffs, where they're mediocre. yay?). Good shooting is more than just 3P% and it's clear the C's don't have enough. The Jays are theoretically dynamic shooters, but it's hard to tell amid harassed looks. Teams like Golden State, Phoenix, and Utah move the ball constantly, run side actions like pindowns and double screens to open shooters, and get their stars moving off-ball/off screen
... keep reading on reddit ➡Picking Killian Hayes over Tyrese Haliburton may have been the worst decision of the 2020 NBA draft. I see a lot of people shitting in the Warriors for choosing Wiseman over Lamelo. But I argue the Hayes over Haliburton decision was worse. It was complete dereliction from the Pistons FO and there were easy signs that Haliburton was the better prospect. Also Hayes had his only good game of the season against us and i’m butthurt.
Hayes only had one thing over Haliburton. Age. Haliburton is about a year and 4 months older than Hayes. As for size, Hayes is 6’5 and skinny with a 6’8 wingspan. Haliburton is also 6’5, skinny, with a 6’8 wingspan. That’s where the similarities stop however. Hayes only played 10 games for Ratiopharm Ulm in the EuroCup. He averaged 12.3/2.8/6.2 on 45/39/90 with 1.5 steals and 3.3 turnovers. On the other hand, Haliburton played 22 games, averaging 15.2/5.9/6.5 on 50/41/82. The argument was that Hayes was playing against better competition, but it doesn’t really help him since his team was the worst team in the Eurocup that season. The stats were empty. Haliburton led his team for big wins against Alabama, Seton Hall, and both Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.
Hayes did not stand out in one particular basketball skill either. He was an okay shooter on low attempts, an average defender (he has shown defensive capabilities in the NBA), and didn’t have great basketball IQ, which is the stereotype for Europeans. He forced risky passes and missed open looks often. As for Haliburton, he was an extremely smart guard with great defensive positioning and awareness. Not to mention his shot selection being great and his shooting being just as good. People didn’t want him because they said his funky shooting form wouldn’t work in the league. It has worked damn well so far. Haliburton has for his career has averaged 12.6 points so far on 57% TS. As for Hayes… 6.6 points on 43%. There is only a one year difference between the two. Imagine Hali next to Cade instead of Hayes. One of the most promising backcourts in the league. They would bounce off each other perfectly, with the Haliburton being the secondary playmaker to the extremely talented Cade.
Bill Simmons went all out this year for his Worst *"Most Regrettable" Contracts Draft, bringing on Wozny Lambre and Joe House to go through a multi-round snake draft of the worst contracts in the NBA. I thought it was pretty interesting and decided to tabulate the results. Pod is here and the draft explanation begins around 55:30.
Below is their draft order and some of their comments, and below that are their picks and the contract figures.
- Davis Bertans - Classic good stats on a bad team guy who stole money. He's not 1 dimensional, he's half dimensional and cannot guard anyone.
- Michael Porter Jr. - This contract is a nightmare. They didn't have to do it. It's the kind of contract that can kill half a decade. He's played 125 games in his career.
- John Wall - he aint playing.
- De'Aaron Fox - the numbers, especially in the clutch, are awful. He's being paid to be the guy but he's being outplayed by his teammate. You go in big at the deepest position in the league and now he's hard to trade.
- Westbrook - If I'm the clippers, I wouldn't trade him for Morris and Reggie Jackson. That makes me worse. I wouldn't trade him for wall if I'm the rockets. I've done that.
- Ben Simmons - he's getting paid like a number 1 offensive dude and he's a number 4. But the diva act, the lack of improvement and season sabotage... and you're paying this dude 33 million?
- Klay Thompson - He's going to make 50 million (based on trade kicker) dollars a year. You talk about injury? He's coming off an ACL AND an Achilles, and he's getting paid like he does what Jokic does.
- Tobias Harris - I saw him in person 9 days ago and I can't tell you a single thing he did.
- Markelle Fultz - He got a 50M for 1 season for the Magic where he averaged 12 ppg on 46% shooting. What's going on in Orlando? They thought he was the next MCW
- Kevin Love - He's the OG of bad contracts. Poster child of demanding a trade when nobody wants you. He's playing well but overpaid.
- Talen Horton-Tucker - I've been watching basketball my entire life - what does this guy do? I can't understand the excitement around him for the life of me.
- Jimmy Butler - It's a crazy contract. Goes into 25-26. He's missed a shit ton of games and it's not going to get better. I love Jimmy but this contract is crazy.
- Clint Capela
