It seems so fundamentally basic that I’m surprised I can’t find it...

Edit: The question I'm asking without asking it is there an "L" in any language that involves the tip of the tongue to the upper lip?

According to Wikipedia, the only language to have a phonemic labio-dental nasal is the Kukuya language, yet the same article states that there are doubts about even that. Since it would be inefficient to create an IPA symbol for every possible phoneme, diacritics are often used in combination with the symbols to describe a language's phonology more precisely. So my question is, if the labio-dental nasal gets its own unique symbol, why doesn't the dental stop < t̪ > , alveolar stop <t> get their own unique symbol when a phonemic contrast between them is far more common? (e.g. Dravidian languages)

The International Phonetic Alphabet Keyboard(2005 revised edition)

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Consonants (Pulmonic)

BilabialLabiodentalDentalAlveolarPostalveolarRetroflexPalatal Velar UvularPharyngealGlottalPlosivepbtdʈɖcɟkɡqɢ ʔ NasalmɱnɳɲŋɴTrillʙrʀTap or FlapⱱɾɽFricativeɸβfvθðszʃʒʂʐçʝxɣχʁħʕhɦLateral fricativeɬɮApproximantʋɹɻjɰLateral approximantlɭʎʟ

Where symbols appear in pairs, the one to the right represents a voiced consonant. Shaded areas denote articulations judged impossible.

Consonants (Non-Pulmonic)

ClicksVoiced implosivesEjectivesʘBilabialɓBilabialʼExamples:ǀDentalɗDental/alveolarpʼBilabalǃ(Post)alveolarʄPalataltʼDental/alveolarǂPalatoalveolarɠVelarkʼVelarǁAlveolar lateralʛUvularsʼAlveolar fricative

Vowels

📷FrontCentralBackCloseClose-midOpen-midOpeniyɨʉɯuɪʏʊeøɘɵɤoəɛœɜɞʌɔæɐaɶɑɒ

Where symbols appear in pairs, the one to the right represents a rounded vowel.

Other Symbols

ʍVoiceless labial-velar fricativeɕʑAlveolo-palatal fricativeswVoiced labial-velar approximantɺAlveolar lateral flapɥVoiced labial-palatal approximantɧSimultaneous ʃ and xʜVoiceless epiglottal fricativek͡p t͜s
◌͡◌ ◌͜◌

Affricates and double articulations can be represented by two symbols joined by a tie bar if necessary.

ʢVoiced epiglottal fricativeʡEpiglottal plosive

Suprasegmentals

ˈPrimary stressˌSecondary stressˌfoʊnəˈtɪʃənːLongeːˑHalf-longeˑ◌̆Extra shortĕ|Minor (foot) group‖Major (intonation) group.Syllable breakɹi.ækt‿Linking (absence of a break)

Diacritics

Diacritics may be placed above a symbol with a descender, e.g. ŋ̊

◌̥Voicelessn̥d̥◌̤Breathy voicedb̤a̤◌̪Dentalt̪d̪◌̬Voiceds̬t̬◌̰Creaky voicedb̰a̰◌̺Apicalt̺d̺ʰAspiratedtʰdʰ◌̼Linguolabialt̼d̼◌̻Laminalt̻d̻◌̹More roundedɔ̹ʷLabalizedtʷdʷ◌̃Nasalizedẽ◌̜Less roundedɔ̜ʲPalatalizedtʲdʲⁿNasal releasedⁿ◌̟Advancedu̟ˠVelarizedtˠdˠˡLateral releasedˡ◌̠Retractede̠ˤPharyngealizedtˤdˤ◌̚No audible released̚◌̈Centralizedë◌̴Velarized or pharyngealizedɫ◌̽Mid-centralizede̽◌̝Raisede̝(ɹ̝ = voiced alveolar fricative)◌̩Syllabicn̩◌̞Lowerede̞(β̞ = voiced bilabial approximant)◌̯Non-syllabice̯◌̘Advanced Tongue Roote̘˞Rhoticityɚa˞◌̙Retracted Tongue Roote̙

Tones and Word Accents

LevelContoure̋or˥Extra highěor˩˥Risingé˦Highê˥˩Fallingē˧Mide᷄˦˥High risingè˨Lowe᷅˩˨Low risingȅ˩Extra lowe᷈˧˦˧Rising-falling↓Downstep↗Global rise↑Upstep↘Global fall

Mine is ɸ̬̞̼ (voiceless bilabial fricative + voiced + lowered + dental)

Hello everybody,

I am conducting an experiment investigating the perception of phonemes in pre-verbal infants and just spotted an unexpected effect whose origin I am trying to understand. I am a PhD student in neuroscience (I use neuro-imaging, and more specifically EEG) , not a big expert in linguistics. That is why I would very much benefit of some external advice :)

In my data, and beside the effects we could expect by shared manners and places of articulation, I see that the neural representation of the "b" is more similar to that of nasals (i.e. "m", "n", "ɲ"), relative to the other voiced stops "d" and "g".

According to your knowledge and experience is there any characteristic which is shared by /b/ and /m/ /n/ /ɲ/ but not /d/ and /g/ ? It can be at the acoustic level, in the articulation... I need a clue!

Thanks a lot in advance!

Kan'on is supposed to be based directly on the dialect of Tang dynasty Chang'an, isn't it? If there was a nasal -> oral stop change in the Chang'an dialect it should be reflected in most modern Chinese dialects yet as far as I'm aware, there is no such change in the history of the modern Chinese languages that are expected to be descended from the Chang'an dialect.

What is the reason for the bizarre outcomes as shown below?

###男
Go'on: /nan/
Kan'on: /dan/
Mandarin: /nan/
Cantonese: /naam/
Hakka: /nam/

###美
Go'on: /mi/
Kan'on: /bi/
Mandarin: /mei/
Cantonese: /mei/
Hakka: /mi/

###女
Go'on: /njo/
Kan'on: /djo/
Mandarin: /ny/
Cantonese: /nɵy/
Hakka: /ŋ/

###日 Go'on: /niti/
Kan'on: /zitu/
Mandarin: /ri/ （ɲ->r regular change)
Cantonese: /jat/ (ɲ->j regular change)
Hakka: /ŋit/

Hello,

I might be SOL on this one, but I have been trying to improve my audio quality for my YT videos, both the shorter reviews and podcasty longer videos.

My main problem is that my voice has a very Stuffy/Nasal sound to it. I noticed this ever since I upgraded from a Blue Yeti to Shure SM7B. My equipment I believe is up to the task. I am currently using the Shure with a GoXLR Mini, trying to modify settings in its app to produce a better recording. I compare my recordings to other YouTubers I follow like Den of Nerds, Oxhorn, Geekdom101, among others. I really want to get that clear sound that they get.

The older mics that I used seemed to suppress or hide this nasal sound. From my Yeti to even when I go on my iPhone and use the built in mic to do Voice Memos, it is almost like the nasal aspect is more suppressed. I am trying to find settings to get my Shure to hide this as well. But it seems like every combination of settings with the Gate/Equalizer/Compressor with the Shure and GoXLR changes how it sounds a bit but never really pushes away that Nasal sound to my voice.

I am still doing a lot of testing to try to fix this, but would like suggestions from anyone around.

I'm a native English speaker. I've recently started learning Sanskrit and Hindi, and while I can pronounce most of the letters fine I am still struggling with pronouncing the nasal consonants ङ ञ ण and the voiced aspirated consonants घ झ ढ ध भ - in the latter case I just sound like I'm saying the voiced unaspirated counterparts of the letters (ie when I say घ it sounds like ग etc).

Does anyone have any advice on getting the pronunciation right?

I haven’t yet begun testosterone & even though my gay ass thinks the nasal tone in other trans masc voices can be really really charming, I personally don’t want it for my own voice (as it would give me dysphoria)

How do you healthily avoid the nasal tone that appears for most people on testosterone? (without talking on the vocal chords or in the throat)

Context: There's a post from someone on unpopularkpopopinions saying that that they don't like Stray Kids' singing voices. Sure, whatever--but they discuss nasality and in particular one of the comments heavily implies that because it's JYP, all their voices are just nasal? So now we're here.

(Also, I hope this is the right flair?)

This goes for more than just Stray Kids and JYP groups... I feel like people hear a voice they don't like and assume it's nasal which makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Nasal is the sound you get when you pinch your nose and talk.

I think what people are trying to say is that a few members of Stray Kids have ""airy"", or just very ""light-sounding"", voices. A lot of male idols do. But that doesn't sound like an issue, so the go-to term is "nasal" because it sounds like a more valid criticism even if it's baseless. You shouldn't need to have a criticism of someone's voice to justify why you don't like it, and you don't, you can just say you don't like their tone, so I don't know why people would rather misuse a term and spread misinformation just to sound smarter.

Based on what SKZ themselves has said, Seungmin is the one who is the most nasal. But it's clear that he gets proper vocal training to combat this because he sounds fantastic. The person claimed though, that Chan, Changbin, and I.N had the most nasal voices. And I can see where that assumption might come from but if you're going to state the qualities of a voice that make you dislike it, you should at least be able to define those qualities correctly.

The comments on the post are also ridiculous and keep bringing up technique. You can't judge a K-Pop idol's technique unless you sit in front of them and ask them to sing acapella for you, and you're also a qualified vocal teacher. You're listening to pitch-corrected recordings, or through a really expensive microphone in a room with good acoustics, or a phone recording. Point is, you can't see how they're singing and also hear it with your own ears, and you also have no qualifications to judge someone's voice.

You don't need to make up some fancy criticism of technique you pulled out of your ass just to say you don't like someone's voice. Or to justify why they get less lines. Or to seem smart. It's stupid and it's insulting.

The same goes for "vocal teacher reacts to..." videos. They are just as unnecessary as those "plastic surgeon" videos on TikTok. Those people do NOT teach your idols and don't know how they

Covid back in October, does anyone still get random sore throat nasal drip? It could be winter allergies (dust) but allergy meds don’t work for some reason. .....I’m good for a few weeks and sore throat coupled with raspy voice is back for a few days My symptoms were mild when I got covid

Update: after a bit of searching, the closest person I’ve found is Rose Abdoo (Gypsy from Gilmore girls). The problem is that I feel like it may be Abdoo, however she has never played a character similar to what I’m thinking of. Please let me know if you can think of any actresses that look like Rose Abdoo!

Trying to find the name of an actress who either has a super nasal voice, or plays a character with one. To me, this is her most recognisable characteristic.

She plays mainly in comedies, and brings to mind the 2010s. She’s American, has dark hair, a big nose, a really wide smile, and she’s quite small/petite. I think she plays a stereotypical ‘Jewish mom’ character in at least one movie/tv show?

I know it’s not a lot of info, but hopefully someone can help me! I hope this post is allowed as idk if it violates the ‘no people’ rule??

Edit to add: Not Janice from Friends! Edit 2: out of the suggestions so far, Sarah Silverman has been closest, except the woman I’m thinking of is about a decade or so older, and more petite

Ever since I was a child I have had a very nasally voice. People say my voice is annoying / very distinctive all the time, and strangers often think I have a cold. My dad also has a very similar voice to mine , he had nasal polyps removed as a teenager but they just came straight back. (Not sure whether they are hereditary or even whether this is relevant)

I was just wondering if anyone has any theories as to why this could be ?

I tend to talk through my nose.Is there a way to correct this?

So for the sake of everyone, stop putting too much autotune on idols with nasal voices!

It makes them sound even whinier than they already are!!! I actually like nasal voices but excessive autotune on them just makes them sound annoying and a pain to listen to when you hear those voices in songs frequently.

For example, I actually really like IZONE's Panorama as a song but then the excessive autotune was NOT IT especially when more than half the girls have nasal voices. Let's not even talk about when they go to the really high notes like ahhhhhhh. Consequently I can even l can't listen to it more than 2 times in a row despite really liking the song.

But nasal voices without too much autotune actually sound nice for me. I feel like autotune is one of the reasons why nasal voices are so hated because with excessive autotune becoming more prevalent in the industry, nasal voices suffer a sad fate of being subject to autotune ahhhh. Many people don't bother watching live performances because it is mostly LAR these days and they don't bother searching for those performances with some live vocals in it. Who can blame them though? So most of the time they just hear the studio versions and nasal voices just fall victim.

Another victim to this problem is my ultimate bias of all time, Jungwon from Enhypen in 'Let Me In', their b-side. There was too much autotune throughout the whole song but being the more nasal sounding voice in the group (which also makes him one of the most unique voices in the industry right now), Jungwon is one of those who fell into more of a victim. But then in live performances though he sounds much better so I'm really kind of mad. I also remember Into the I-Land studio version and there wasn't too much autotune for him and he sounds better (although his live version of his 'yeah I'm scared' is still unbeatable)

So in conclusion, stop putting too much autotune on idols with nasal voices!!!

Note: sorry I'm generalizing but I hope you get my point!

TWICE is mostly known for their cute and high pitched songs, you can see this in songs like Cheer Up, TT and Likey. Momo's voice is high-pitched and cute (arguable) and that is what makes TWICE songs stand out to the point where they are recognizable and iconic to Kpop stans and non-listeners alike. Her lines like "jeoreujima", TT's pre-chorus, and BB cream papapa are in my opinion makes the songs stand out other than the chorus. Momo's voice overall fits TWICE's cute vibe so much. Sure it can be unbearable at times but it makes TWICE songs, TWICE songs.

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A lot of people expresses their disguise when a kpop artist has a nasal tone. They perceive it as annoying, but for me nasality is something really soothing and pleasing to hear and gives me the vibe of a sassy, confident and a little bit bratty kid, like how vivi sounded in "Why not" or Momo in Likey. They sound so carefree, lively, and cute but at the same time they can be dangerous and swaggy, like G-dragon or J-hope (he isn't whiny but also isn't your typical low pitched mealw rapper voice)

I think "whiny" voices give another flavor the the song and makes them more special, like Yeri's in "Dumb Dumb" or Momo's part in "More and more"

And also, I myself have a really high-pitched, baby-like voice (especially when i am arguing with someone) and people always tell me my voice is annoying and stupid (like my classmates would imitate my voice and laugh at it, or my mom would tell me to shut up and then deny that it happened) and like i am very insecure about my voice but when i listen to idols who have similar vocal qualities with me, it makes me feel more confident and leave my insecurities behind. However, when someone says they can't listen to a song because of the over nasality of the vocalists voices, it makes me doubt myself. :(

P.S. Dunno if it's should be in kpop thoughts or unpopular opinions, but i think my opinion is unpopular, considering how harshly was Momo and Yeri were bashed because of their voices (people claiming their untalented or telling them to leave the group) and fans always praising the one with a low voice but never the one with a nasal voice

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There I said it. I've seen people defend artists who get criticism for using a nasal voice but I've never seen anyone making a statement like this. So here it is

Whether it's Chen, Rose, Momo, Nana it doesn't matter. I think nasal voices sound so unique and cute and add a different flavour to songs. I prefer them to husky voices. We have a lot of famous husky voices already.

Now I don't want them to hurt themselves or to just do it because it's easier (idk personally but I've heard people say that nasal voice can help in reaching high notes) but if their technique is good and they can do it comfortably (eg: Chen) then I prefer nasal voices.

Edit:

1. A lot of haters call Chen's voice nasal which is why I included him. I personally wouldn't really know.

2. When I say nasal I mean both artists who specially sing that way(stylistic choice ig?) and have that voice naturally like Joy.

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Hello everybody,

I am conducting an experiment investigating the perception of phonemes in pre-verbal infants and just spotted an unexpected effect whose origin I am trying to understand. I am a PhD student in neuroscience (I use neuro-imaging, and more specifically EEG) , not a big expert in linguistics. That is why I would very much benefit of some external advice :)

In my data, and beside the effects we could expect by shared manners and places of articulation, I see that the neural representation of the "b" is more similar to that of nasals (i.e. "m", "n", "ɲ"), relative to the other voiced stops "d" and "g".

According to your knowledge and experience is there any characteristic which is shared by /b/ and /m/ /n/ /ɲ/ but not /d/ and /g/ ? It can be at the acoustic level, in the articulation... I need a clue!

Thanks a lot in advance!

Covid back in October, does anyone still get random sore throat nasal drip? It could be winter allergies (dust) but allergy meds don’t work for some reason. .....I’m good for a few weeks and sore throat coupled with raspy voice is back for a few days

My symptoms were mild when I got covid