So tonight we attended a conference from Mr Vallee held in Paris at the forum 104.
Most of the talk was focused on recent development, Congress new bills and ufo transparency, and also advocating for a new method for retrieving UFO observation testimony from witnesses using IA to limit human errors . A huge part of the talk was also dedicated to the trinity case and how it was somehow similar to Socorro and Valensole. Why it was controversial to some, and why Vallee was thinking it was legit. Or at least, very intriguing and should be investigated.
The final part of the talk was dedicated to the materials. And that was juicy. He talked about the few samples he and the team collected for the past years from crash zones. He specifically explained the case of the isotopes . He explained that the isolation of isotopes that his team provided to Stanford was challenged (even criticized) by Stanford researchers, but not dismissed , because of the methodology used to isolate the isotopes. He explained what Gary Nollan told them. Basically , the issue was that the team of Vallee extracted isotopes from only one (1) point of extraction from each meta material (he explained that the process was complex already for them to do so) so the Stanford researchers told them that in order for the isotopes samples to be accurate , it needed to be extracted from - at least- 13 different spots from each meta material piece. Like a few microns left, a few microns right. And completely different zones. So In good faith, that’s what they did. And now the results are coming in. And are very compelling. And following to that, Jacques Vallée also decided to give all the pieces of material to indépendant researched so they can run they own tests… and they are gathering more data as we speak.
So that was quite fascinating. He also said that ufology had a big turning point the past few months. And after spending almost 60 years of research this year (he is 82 now) .. 2021 was a very very special moment in research and disclosure according to him. He was down to earth and fascinating to listen to. He’s a genuine, intelligent and great guy.
Hello there, greetings. I've been on this subreddit for a few months now, and I usually go through every post for fun ad scour the comments and just read people's comments on the topic at hand. I've noticed that Jacques Vallee is a very respected figure in the UFO community, and James Fox's superb documentary "The Phenomenon" has shown me that he has dedicated his life to his research on the UFO/UAP phenomenon, and I've heard his theory on some interdimensional stuff is widely accepted. He also was close colleagues with Dr. Hynek (SPOILERS: watched Close Encounter's of the Third Kind with my family yesterday, spazzed out on his cameo). Essentially, if Vallee has any books that talk about his research and have accounts on trips he went to document sightings and witness accounts, please recommend them.
Also, I would like to know where I could look at Dr. Hynek's work, if he has any. This could also be stuff on Bluebook or any of the secret projects he worked on. I'd like to find a few good books that talk about Project Bluebook, Sign, and Grudge, and the cases examined within those projects, as I've heard those terms thrown around.
Any help would be appreciated.
First off, I want to offer my condolences on his death. In addition to being one of us- an avowed enthusiast of the cold and the Wim Hoff Method- He was a hell of a director and had a distinctive editing style that doesn't get enough credit. Also, his soundtrack selections are fire.
Nevertheless, I wanted to address the mention of Wim Hoff in pretty much three quarters of the announcements of his sudden and unexpected death. He apparently died of a heart attack at 58. Numerous extremely fit people die of heart attacks. It's rare, but it happens. During marathons, during cross fit. There are multiple factors, many of them genetic, that go into cardiovascular disease and cardiac arrest. Yet is seems that a lot of outlets are choosing to highlight this particular method by mentioning it in the same sentence as his cause of death. "La Vallee, a practitioner of the Wim Hoff method, died of a heart attack". It's as absurd as saying " LaVallee, a great lover of scrambled eggs, died of a heart attack over the weekend at his Quebec cabin." Is the Wim Hoff method about to receive the bizarre Ivermectin treatment that Joe Rogan was subjected to?
The same thing happened to legendary strength coach Charles Poliquin, who extended and improved the playing careers of top professional hockey players by years with his diet and training advice. He was a huge advocate of the paleo diet, so every anti-meat activist gleefully danced on his grave when he died of a heart attack. Turns out severe congenital heart defects affected his entire family, and he probably extended his own life.
We don't know the story on LaValee yet, but this continuous mention of the Wim Hoff Method is making me ancy. Just thought I'd mention my uneasiness here.
I saved a thread about this theory a while ago, but it appears it’s been deleted. The gist of the theory is that the universe is a simulation made by an AI in an attempt to experience itself and see itself from a multitude of different POVs - or at least something to that effect.
I don’t know if it’s actually a Vallee theory - someone posted the above theory and the top comment said it sounded exactly like a Vallee theory, so I’m not sure how accurate that statement is but I like the idea and would like to explore it further.
Google hasn’t worked out. Could anybody point me in a direction where I can read more about it?
"Disclosure" is the idea that the people with real data on UFOs will one day release that data publicly, so that the world finally knows that "UFOs are real".
There are currently two independent people saying that they have recovered material from crashed UFOs, and that they've been testing that material; Jacques Vallee and the folks at the TTSA. Both of them have supposedly had recovred material for YEARS. They've been testing FOR YEARS. They haven't released any data. And instead of focusing on testing, they're writing books, selling documentaries, being paid to appear at conventions, etc, where they then claim that they have alien material and have tested it to show that.
The only people not doing Disclosure right now are Vallee and the TTSA. They need to open up the books and disclose their data. TTSA and the people around it are a bit of a joke, I don't think there's any real questions what's happening there (they are lying). Vallee, well, I think we all respect him a bit more, he's certainly a clearer and deeper thinker about the subject. I don't want to speculate on why he hasn't released it yet. But whatever the reason, it's time for them to disclose the recovered, physical material they claim to have. It's a bit bonkers that people are upset at the government for 'not disclosing recovered materials' when the only people saying they have such materials aren't even in the government.
The intelligence community uses this a lot to gain information or reinforce behavior to make an FBI arrest.
I want to know why. The hell they doing that for?
I constantly see references to Jacques Vallee here, and while he is certainly ok and important to a point, he is absurdly vague and scared to just go ahead and say what he thinks.
You can read all of his books and still not really know what he thinks.
Counter this with John Keel, who has a similar idea about the whole phenomenon, but he concisely and honestly packages it in a way that is clear and not vague.
Keel's:
Operation Trojan Horse
Eighth Tower
Disneyland of the Gods
The first book alone covers 90% of what is talked about ad infinitum on these forums and subreddits.
He has already "solved" many of the questions that appear weekly here, and it has been published and out there, fully disclosed, for ages now.
One quote:
"Already we can arrive at one disturbing conclusion based upon these basic factors of behavior. If these lights are actually machines operated by intelligent entities, they obviously don’t want to be caught. They come in the dead of night, operating in areas where the risks of being observed are slight. They pick the middle of the week for their peak activities, and they confine themselves rather methodically to the political boundaries of specific states at specific times. All of this smacks uneasily of a covert military operation."
One of the first Artificial Intelligent computer designed to identify true UFOs was contracted back in the 1980s. Just how far has technology advanced in the 30 to 40 years. Could we now be utilizing Artificial Intelligence that is bordering consciousness and if so, what does that mean for humanity? Could there be a connection between our ever growing technology and visitors from another reality?
I'm about half-way through the audiobook and it's honestly making me doubt the phenomenon is exists. Now it's possible the later half will convince me, but so far his main points seem to be 1) UFOs exist but they aren't extraterrestrial, 2) this is based on the fact stories in mythology and folklore from ancient times sound very like UFO encounters and 3) the fact these stories are too absurd to be aliens from outer space.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but it seems to me there are a number of holes in this hypothesis:
- He assumes the stories are based on real events. But we know that humans are creative and can pull stories out of thin air. How does he know they weren't made up by some bored journalist trying to sell some newspapers before the time of the internet, or just some bedtime story that grew into something more or gossip that spread like wildfire.
He mentions several times in the book, and I've heard him mention it in interviews about his new one, how they come from reliable, eye-witnesses. "'Ms Jones' was very well respected in her town" - that sounds like the type of thing people say when someone turns out to be a serial killer "No one ever suspected a thing". Just because someone is well repected doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a liar, it could just mean they're a particularly good one.
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He assumes they're all related to the UFO phenomena because they sound similar. For all he knows someone could have been tripping on drugs when they claimed to see Dwarves and Elves during some incidents he claims are actually the UFO phenomena. I'm in no way saying that there are no historical accounts related to UFOs, just that I don't think you can assume they all are just because there may happen to be some similarities. The similarities could also be accounted for by the fact that stories get passed down and shared across cultures.
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He assumes the absurd nature of some accounts means they can't be aliens from outer space but beings from another reality. This one really relates back to point 1) and 2) - he assumes the absurd stories are all real. Dreams, psychosis, drug trips and just human imagination in general can be completely absurd. The absurdity of the claim that someone was visited by an alien from Mars doesn't mean the alien was part of a control system from another dimension, it means the "eye-witness" was telling tales. Why would someone who appears respectable make such absurd claims? I don't know, maybe they're a covert
Just finished reading the book and I gotta say that it was very interesting. The only gripe I have with it is that it tends to be somewhat repetitive. However, the work Vallee does is very admirable. He definitely wants to get to the bottom of the whole UFO mystery. This is a long post, but I will try to make it as short of a summary as possible while giving key details.
TRINITY:
The main case in the book is the Reme Baca and Jose Padilla story. 2 years before Roswell there was a UFO crash in San Antonio, shortly after the detonation of the first atomic bomb at Trinity. The two were children back then and decided to check out the crash because it was on their property. When they arrived they saw an "avocado" shaped craft with a small dome on the side. Looking with binoculars they saw three creatures that looked like crickets or a preying mantis. They said that they were "shifting" around in a way that they had not seen anything move. Almost like they willed themselves wherever they wanted to go. The creatures were appx. 3-4 feet tall according to them.
Long story short, the kids recovered a bracket type object from the ship. The father retrieved a foil-like piece of debris that would immediately return to its original form upon trying to fold it or crumple it. They also found "angel-hair" type debris around the ship that their cousin, Sabrina (who validated the story with Harris and Vallee), said glowed an almost ultraviolet color in the dark. The father had also gone into the craft after the kids had their encounter and left the craft visibly shocked.
The military arrived to recover the craft. They said it was a crashed weather balloon, despite it being so heavy they needed a crane to remove it. The creatures were gone by the time the military got there. The military also followed up with the father multiple times throughout the years, searching the house, and coming back to see if they "had missed something".
Overall, I think that the case is very legitimate. Reme and Jose told the exact same story with very minor details being different. Their cousin Sabrina also told the same story with some added detail about the debris. The crash site still does not grow any sort of plants. As a matter of fact the military or somebody planted poisonous plants surrounding the crash site (confirmed when Vallee and Harris took a trip out there.)
What makes it legitimate for me was that there was no "flying saucer" hysteria at that time,
... keep reading on reddit ➡"Disclosure" is the idea that the people with real data on UFOs will one day release that data publicly, so that the world finally knows that "UFOs are real".
There are currently two independent people saying that they have recovered material from crashed UFOs, and that they've been testing that material; Jacques Vallee and the folks at the TTSA. Both of them have supposedly had recovered material for YEARS. They've been testing FOR YEARS. They haven't released any data. And instead of focusing on testing, they're writing books, selling documentaries, being paid to appear at conventions, etc, where they then claim that they have alien material and have tested it to show that.
The only people not doing Disclosure right now are Vallee and the TTSA. They need to open up the books and disclose their data. TTSA and the people around it are a bit of a joke, I don't think there's any real questions what's happening there (they are lying). Vallee, well, I think we all respect him a bit more, he's certainly a clearer and deeper thinker about the subject. I don't want to speculate on why he hasn't released it yet. But whatever the reason, it's time for them to disclose the recovered, physical material they claim to have. It's a bit bonkers that people are upset at the government for 'not disclosing recovered materials' when the only people saying they have such materials aren't even in the government.
