This also goes for the little accidents that can happen to any dog in their adult life. A positive trainer told our class this years and years ago, and it really stuck with me and feels like a useful thing for people with new dogs ❤️
I think the best example of this would be Islam since the reward for being a devout Muslim is only supposed to be experienced in the afterlife. No Islamic state or authority is under any divine responsibility to reward you if you’re a pious Muslim who follows the letter of Islam to the T. By contrast, if you violate Islamic doctrines in almost any Islamic state, then your punishment, on top of being sentenced to hell eventually, will be meted out in the mortal world.
Christianity’s a similar example, though less so in the West. Being a good Christian is supposed to help you get the blessings of god in your lifetime, but god is pretty noncommittal about that. You may or may not receive some reward with varying degrees of ambiguity. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to question it since god works in mysterious ways. But if you’re not a good Christian, your punishment will not be mysterious or ambiguous (at least if Biblical law is to be followed.) It will be exact and certain to be imposed.
Organized religion subtly figured it out way before Machiavelli did. You don’t get power over people by uplifting them, you get it by scaring them.
DOES PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT HAVE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE EFFECT? At my job, there are a lot of mothers with their children come to have services. Some kids sit still and wait fo.
"whoa, what is with the psychology 101 about a game?"
Yeah, yeah, I get it, but I feel like this will really help put your finger on why exactly this change already feels bad.
For comparison, let's look at Sunshot:
Sunshot is an Exotic primary add clearing weapon. It isn't a boss DPS weapon, or a Champion killer, it is an add clearer. Just like Fighting Lion. How does Sunshot reward it's intended playstyle? When you shoot a Thrall and he sets off a chain reaction that clears out the whole group of them. Anyone who has ever used sunshot knows that situation and knows it feels good.
Now how does Sunshot punish you for not using it in this way? Say, for example, you are using it against a champion that has just been stunned? Well... it doesn't.
Now look at the change to Fighting Lion. Now when you don't use it the "correct" way you are actively punished until you do.
That's why this change already feels so bad. It is introducing punishment where none existed before, and nothing about the positive reinforcement side of the weapon was improved.
“God gave you COVID because you have strayed too far from him and he is calling you back. It is a time to reflect and repent to him, you may not appreciate it now but soon you will.” Honestly, it’s so annoying ever since I tested positive I’ve been hearing this from her none stop it’s sickening. I just needed to get this out because its been hurting me a lot lately. My mom is usally very kind to me but when it comes to religion its a waaayy different story. She looks down on non-believers, saying they don’t even end up as good and successful people in society. Like where the hell does she get that information. I’m sorry for the rant its just been bugging me a lot, I didn’t even expect it to hurt as much as it did. For her to claim that her child’s disease is a “blessing” just hits hard I don’t know why.
This is a genuine question and I would love some insights to learn more.
Bottom line, I love my dogs, and I have a chance to be a better doggy Dad with my new puppy. She's only this young for a short time and I have a lot to learn and a lot of mistakes that I'd like to minimize.
This community only focuses on positive based training, and I think we all agree punishment can be extremely effective for all animals (including us).
For example, an electric fence at a barn. This is very high on the discomfort scale and I'd assume this falls strictly in the realm of punishment, and it's highly effective at keeping horses from getting ran over or injured in a fence. The main con is they won't get super close to the fence if you have treats, want to pet them, etc.
How do I know if a line is being crossed by myself, my spouse, or a new trainer I'm vetting?
What is allowed? Yelling, a firm "gasping" noise when there's a mistake (I saw this used recently with Ian Dunbar @ 1:20), etc.
How is something effective, something akin to an electric fence, disregarded or is it used in very specific cases when it's dire?
Finally, I must admit it's really difficult to find evidence of what training methods are good or bad (and I totally understand how logistically difficult that would be). Like, can someone please take my crazy dog and record the behavior modification?
Thanks!
(edited for clarity of terms)
My Nmom has picked up the habit of constantly threatening to bar me from things like jobs, hobbies, extracurriculars, etc. For example, threatening to force me to quit my job or threatening to force me to leave the fencing team if I don't do this and that. I just can't imagine ever taking away the positive and enriching things a child does as punishment.
the girl is adding the fact that she is praising the mother in order to decrease the behavior of her mom speaking negatively.
the answer is negative punishment
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I see a lot of blurred lines on this topic, with people misunderstanding the difference.
It doesn't surprise me, it was like a light going on for me when I learnt it. Hopefully this message helps someone, with either coming to terms with their past or with feeling confident in parenting your own children.
If your parents hurt you when they were angry with your bad behaviour, they weren't disciplining you. They were teaching you to be afraid of making mistakes. Discipline shapes behaviour and creates competency. Punishment is only for retribution, control and power over someone.
If you find yourself saying My parents did X to discipline me, do a double take. Because they might just have been abusing you.
This has been a long known issue that for some reason, usually after you finish a match, that when the timer hits 0 to start a new search that sometimes it will instead just kick you back to main menu and say you were fixed for idling in matchmaking... when you are in queue starting a new search. This problem has already been reported to https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us for ticket #77041 "Getting Temp Bans while not playing". This issue happens maybe 1 out of 4 to 8 times after finishing a match so 12.5 to 25% chance if issue. But then on top of that, every once in a while maybe the 5 or 6th time it will issue a timeout as well. Usually the first offense 1 minute ban, no big deal but still annoying and 343 support still locking into issue.
With the news they want to issue a harsher punishment to temporary ban players for now first offense being 5 minutes this means when this bug occurs I'm now going to have to sit out for a while 5 minute for the game messing up and false positive assuming I'm idle in a match when I'm in fact in the queue starting a new search. So 1 minute now becomes 5 and progressively gets worse.
- 1st offense: 5 minutes
- 2nd offense: 15 minutes
- 3rd offense: 30 minutes
- 4th offense: 60 minutes
- 5th offense: 180 minutes
- 6th offense: 16 hours
You shouldn't be implementing this new harsher punishment system until 343 has the current system working without issue. Many people has already reported this issue happens to them, some have had it happen more often times than others saying 1 out of 3 times this issue happens they get a temp ban which is even worse than my experiences with the bug. This issue has existed since December 2019. And no, we have confirmed no "ZZZ" is occurring especially when I solo queue and make sure to often flick my controller to make sure it shows I'm still active.
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... keep reading on reddit ➡Please help. I got all mixed up what is Positive/negative reinforcement/punishment...i know all the definitions and stuff, but i just don't get it.
- Individuals with PTSD sometimes use deep breathing techniques to decrease their anxiety. Which type of operant conditioning does this describe? correct answer: positive punishment.
I thought it would be positive reinforcement because it is "adding desirable stimulus (deep breathing exercise)"?
- Before receiving treatment, Katie avoided certain activities that made her anxious so that she could reduce the number of panic attacks she experienced. What operant conditioning term describes this behavior? correct answer: Negative punishment
I thought it would be positive punishment because it is "removing undesirable stimulus (avoiding activities)"?
- Which of the following terms best describes Amelie's use of acupuncture to treat her pain? Negative reinforcement.
I thought it would be positive reinforcement because it is "adding desirable stimulus (acupuncture)"?
This is an interesting question to me. I'm curious what you all think
My 10 year old sister has a 6mo Aussie, and she is genuinely the sweetest, smartest dog I've ever met. She's been going to 'Sit Means Sit' for a few months, and this week they sent her home with a shock collar. In just 4 days I've noticed the Aussie has completely connected the shock with my sister, and is so uneasy around her, constantly hiding behind me or side glancing her. The rhetoric we've been fed from the trainers is all the "it's just a tap" BS. I would love if anyone could point out some videos or resources about dogs that are well trained w/o the use of lowkey abusive training, or recommend how to convince my sister and parents. They feel like she's advancing in her training, because she listens immediately and has stopped most of her 'bad' behavior, but it's because she's stopped all behavior! She doesn't do anything anymore. She's a six month AUSSIE, and today she was inside all day because of the rain, and she has been completely low energy and 'well-behaved' because she's terrified of being shocked. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Why YSK: There is a lot of confusion as to what these terms actually mean, and I see them used incorrectly all the time.
In psychology, positive and negative refer to the addition or removal of something, respectively. Reinforcement/punishment refer to either rewarding good behavior or discouraging bad behavior, respectively. Positive/negative has NOTHING do to with whether the recipient is happy with it.
Positive reinforcement: a child eats all of their dinner and gets a cookie for dessert (the behavior (eating all of dinner) is reinforced by the addition of a cookie that the child would have not gotten otherwise)
Negative reinforcement: a teenager gets straight As on their midterms, and has no chores for a weekend as a result (here we have the removal of an unpleasant activity, that being chores)
Positive punishment: a child gets into a fight at school, and has to do extra chores as a result (here we have fighting being discouraged through the addition of unpleasant tasks the child would not normally have to do)
Negative punishment: a child fails a test and gets their video game console taken away for a week (here we have the removal of a positive stimulus (the gaming console) as punishment for failing the test)
These articles do a good job of explaining:
https://positivepsychology.com/positive-punishment/
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-positive-punishment-2795411
https://www.psychestudy.com/behavioral/learning-memory/operant-conditioning/reinforcement-punishment/positive-punishment
The Penal Code of the Slovak Republic classifies such behaviour as the "Spreading of a dangerous commutable human disease (§163)" and in the state of national emergency, which is presently declared, mandates a prison sentence from 4 to 10 years. Is it as harsh elsewhere?
I know it's only hurting my relationship ship with my puppy (5mo old) in the long run. I've gotten better with changing my training methods so the tasks are easier for her, instead of just punishing her. But I still struggle with my short temper, and every time I punish her in some way (specifically positive punishment), I know what I'm doing is wrong and feel like an idiot. I have done reading on why positive punishment doesn't work in the long run. What has helped you rely on methods other than punishment, and whenever you feel like punishing your dog (if you do at all), what do you do to stop yourself?
For those of you that would always get these mixed up. This is how I do it.
Positive Reinforcement
- think positive as something you ADD; (like a positive integer) and then reinforcement is to increase the likelihood of it happening again. So you would ADD something GOOD.
Negative reinforcement
- think negative as something you SUBTRACT (like a negative number), and reinforcement is to increase the likelihood of it happening. So what could you take away? Something BAD to make the person do it again
Positive punishment -positive means you're adding something. What could you add to someone, to punish them? Something BAD; so you add something bad
Negative punishment
- negative means you're subtracting something; what would you take away from someone in order to punish them? Take away something good!
Idk if this helps, helped me a lot and I didn't muss any questions on this topic on my practice test.
What is the current stance, is one method known to be more effective than the other in general?
Edit: I mean teaching as in a classroom setting. For example, teaching grade 2 students. I'm not asking this question for practical purposes (I'm not a teacher...), just for knowledge sake.
This post is intended for the layman, this is not news for anyone with a decent grasp of behavioral sciences or taken some psych classes in college. If you own a dog and are working on training, or even trying to educate and shape behavior in small children, understanding this matrix and utilizing the right section at the right time can speed the process along. If you instead replace “negative” with “remove” and replace “positive” with “add” it will help you understand what each means. Positive reinforcement is adding a reinforcer to make a behavior more likely. Ex: Give a kid a treat for pooping in the potty. Negative reinforcement is the removal of an aversive to make a behavior more likely. Ex: Putting your seatbelt on to make the car stop beeping at you. Positive punishment is adding an aversive to make a behavior less likely. Ex: can be as simple as yelling NO! at your dog. Negative punishment is removing a reinforcer to make a behavior less likely. Ex: being grounded from TV or video games. Each portion of this matrix has an appropriate usage and inappropriate usage but try to be more aware of if you’re reinforcing something you don’t want. Petting your dog to calm him down when he’s barking at your neighbor is using positive reinforcement when you should most likely use negative punishment by removing your dog from the situation that is reinforcing the barking. I’m interested in other examples you may have or if I didn’t explain something clearly or any suggestions on how to communicate this topic to my customers more effectively.
DOES PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT HAVE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE EFFECT? At my job, there are a lot of mothers with their children come to have services. Some kids sit still and wait fo.
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her cleaning rituals REDUCE the anxiety
so shouldn't it be Positive(cleaning behav) Punishment(reduce anxiety)?
