I'm aware that Wikipedia is feminist-biased and that it's not good source to show any issue deeply but for short review I can in the beginning return you to the article in this site about gender equality implementation attempts in Jewish Kibbutz.
I noticed some things that are worthy to highlight. Some women from them said that even there there wasn't the equality of sexes. Even if firstly women had do the same tasks that men do, they preferred this kind of them that is traditionally associated with women gender role. So even without cultural influence (they attempted to cut of themselves from it), women want more to do things like cooking, sewing, and cleaning than performing guard duty and heavy labor. Emancipated women, without pressure to do traditional maternal and domestic duties, later demanded themselves to do it, instead of leaving these things to communes (that were there responsible for providing meal and raising children before). So it's clear that narration about "patriarchal oppression" is completely false. Women also embraced traditional marriage and whole society had conservative, puritanical attitude to sexuality (in the times when in the west there were the opposite trends; visitors from outside of this communities noticed it).
So the most important points are:
- Women from Kibbutz rejected egalitarianism and burdens that traditional masculine gender role is associated with. They preferred domestic duties such as cooking, cleaning and taking care of children than participation in the industrial, agricultural and economic sectors alongside men (especially when we talk about working in farming or in the factory).
- This shows us that feminist narration about women's dependency is totally false, it's just gaslighting of men. There is no "patriarchy" construct that enforce women to do some things. These women just realized that male's burdens are heavier and their gender role is more comfortable for them.
- Finally, nearly 80% of women worked in the service sector. It's additional evidence for my stance from previous point. Women are interested in being tradcon housewives or in convenient and prestigious job in the service sector. "Split" between feminists and tradcon women runs mainly through this thing.
- Even if masculinization of women was possible, there never were parallel process of feminization of men. This shows that women, not men, have a power and influence to enforce
Aren't these the goal?
In a disagreement on unfair Capitalist labor paid to low, how is socialized labor without pay the dream?
Many years ago when I first moved to Israel I volunteered in two and been in three. First was ulpan in Na'an, then Ramat Hakovesh and Ma'ayan Zvi. Pretty wild times. The parties were insane. I'm wondering if anyone else in this sub has been a volunteer.
During the Cold War, US was especially paranoid about anything that could prove communism to be right. Kibbutz system for a while worked very well and although Israel wasn't communist, it was similar to typically communist collectives just without applying force.
At the same time US and Israel were always close allies so I wonder if this ever bothered the American government or no one cared?
Hello! I'm 28, American but have been living abroad in different countries for a while. I'm planning to make Aliyah hopefully soon and am looking at either ulpan etzion in jerusalem or kibbutz yagur. those are based off when they start; I want to have a summer job and then start grad school in the fall. If things take longer, Maagan Michael.
I love the idea of living and working on a kibbutz but I'm worried the kibbutz ulpan crowd is younger and that the classes are not as rigorous as etzion. I want a good community, make good friends, and learn a lot for the 5 months. I like a challenging academic environment. But I love being outside, I love working outside, and what the heck do you do all day after lunch at etzion? (serious question). I run a lot (trail) and the idea of the trails around Yagur is really enticing. Is there anything similar around etzion jerusalem? I've spent a lot of time in jerusalem and I think it's a great city but something different would be cool.
I realize that kibbutz etzion tzuba would be ideal but wouldn't you know I didn't get it together in time! Oh well!
Any insight much appreciated!
I am torn at which one to choose. They are very different, one is in Tel Aviv and the other is in a quiet Kibbutz. After the Ulpan program I want to live in Tel Aviv, so i love the city. I just heard its a great experience to spend time on a kibbuz, which Tzuba Ulpan would provide me. I know its my decision, but I'd love some input.
Hi everyone,
I am a psychology PhD student and my research focuses on conspicuous consumption and status signaling. It would be extremely beneficial for me to live on or observe a kibbutz for a few months. Unfortunately though, I have some health problems, so 8.5 hours of manual labor every day really isn't an option for me. What I can do though, is help take care of children, cook, bake, teach!
Any options that I should check out?
Thanks!
Hello All. This is my first post. I want to ask all y'all: What is the sighting, other than your own (if you have had one) keeps you up at night? For me, it is the 1996 Kibbutz Hatzor sighting.
The Dailymotion link contains the best version of the footage, which as you might suspect is fairly low res. Part of the reason I found it so fascinating was the fact that over 2 consecutive nights, this apparently HUGE object of compelling asymmetry *sat* in the night sky. It looks like nothing I have ever seen UAP/UFO-wise.
Do you folks recall this? Has anyone ever heard an explanation for the multi-night sighting? What sighting confounds YOU?
Hello! I'm 28, American but have been living abroad in different countries for a while. I'm planning to make Aliyah hopefully soon and am looking at either ulpan etzion in jerusalem or kibbutz yagur. those are based off when they start; I want to have a summer job and then start grad school in the fall. If things take longer, Maagan Michael.
I love the idea of living and working on a kibbutz but I'm worried the kibbutz ulpan crowd is younger and that the classes are not as rigorous as etzion. I want a good community, make good friends, and learn a lot for the 5 months. I like a challenging academic environment. But I love being outside, I love working outside, and what the heck do you do all day after lunch at etzion? (serious question). I run a lot (trail) and the idea of the trails around Yagur is really enticing. Is there anything similar around etzion jerusalem? I've spent a lot of time in jerusalem and I think it's a great city but something different would be cool.
I realize that kibbutz etzion tzuba would be ideal but wouldn't you know I didn't get it together in time! Oh well!
Any insight much appreciated!
