Kabyle Language Puns

Hi everyone,

Does anyone here have experience learning Kabylian as a second language? It's so hard to find resources and I want to know if anyone has any success. It's my father's first language, but my mother is originally Arabic speaking and I was raised in a mixed English/Arabic speaking home.

I've tried finding resources to learn Kabylian but I've only found resources in French, which I wasn't taught. Does anyone have any resources they can recommend in English or Arabic? I'd prefer English but I'm not fussy. It would be difficult practising with my dad as my mum doesn't like the idea of me learning an Amazigh language and my dad goes along with her to keep the peace.

Thanks.

I've been interested in the Berber / Amazigh language of North Africa for a long time. It's got a very distinct melody to it (especially the Kabyle dialect) and it's got a very long and interesting history. (Hannibal, the biggest enemy of the Roman Empire probably spoke some form of Amazigh.. And you can find ancient Tifinagh engravings all around the Sahara dessert dating from 2500 years ago)

Yet Berber languages are mostly unknown in the world and not studied by many. In fact there doesn't really exist any language learning materials apart from a phrasebook here and there or a dictionary from another century.

I've long had a plan of having some simple dialogues translated and recorded in order to study the language, and when I recently fell upon an offer (on fiverr!!) I decided to go ahead and have some small stories translated into Kabyle.

I'm going to use them to study Kabyle myself, but I'm hoping other people might find them useful as well.

The dialogues are written in both the tifinagh script (which is fascinating, and easy to learn) and an adapted form of the Latin script (which is admittedly probably more common in North Africa today).

The 5 mini stories can be found here: https://www.autolingual.com/kabyle-dialogues-audio/

Hope some of you will find it useful!

Hello im amazigh ( indegious people of North africa ) from algeria ( kabylie ) we are currently Being oppressed by the arab governement ( about 500 kabyle are in prison just for their opinions ) for example .. We would like to have your support over social media and irl , help us destroy the arab appartheid system , they do not belong to this land

Since the new year Amazigh is approaching and many medias are covering this event. the Amazigh medias are covering it and also the Arabic medias.

as for Algeria, when I read the news paper or when I met two Arab only speakers . the only thing I read is the racism and hate speech from the Algerian Arab speakers where they use the worst words and nicknames they could find against anything that is Amazigh and they specifically target the Kabyle and Kabylie since it is the one who was and still fighting for the right of the indigenous of Algeria.

These Algerian Arabs once you look into their profile, they always carry the flag of Algeria, support Palestine , and you only find the name of God, Prophet and Islamic quotes on how to be good and so on. those people it is not only one or two it is a big percentage of the population and the comment section. maybe you can tell me that they are just to make fun or they are the military secret service who wants to spread false view but I also have met some who think kind of this and why specifically targeting Kabyle in particular?

I am going to explore this by myself by speaking to many Algerian Arabs face to face and I am not wiling to hurt them or whatever. I want just to get their real opinions without trying to play the good person, so I can make my final conclusion about this very lasting topic of hundreds of years.

by default, the World knows that Amazigh are the indigenous people of North Africa. Why I am saying this because the Amazigh have no other land to show off their culture and languages. they are not going to Yemen or Qatar to celebrate Yennayer for example. They do it like Arabs do in their motherland in El Djazira!!!.

I would like to hear from you guys what you think, I really need your honest opinion whether it is good or bad. please tell how do you think and no need to make things look great.

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Why we Amazighs should learn Arabic but Arabizeds don't have to do a simple shit with our language, there are many Muslim countries don't use Arabic, this is terrible for the Amazgihs, this will help a lot to kill the Tamazight language for the next generations, (I myself Amazigh and many other Amazighs living in the official Tamazgha, and we don't know much words and grammars as we do in Arabic)... This is not fair at all, this is literally BS (for me Arabic and fre*ch are useless languages, we are literally forced to learn the Colonization's languages), am not racist, but maybe we are inferiors to Arabizeds... and I don't like that!

how to kill tamazight languages 101

Hello. I am not a Kabyle speaking person and I would like to learn it. So I would like to hear from those who have already went through this journey. I would like to know nay tips that helped you, materials, ...etc? I am based in Algiers, so it will be amazing if there is any private school around that offer a course on this language, or if there are any groups of people that are learning/teaching/practising it?

Thank you so much in advance.

When I think of secularists in maghreb and within amazigh groups. Kabyle always comes to mind. Writers and singers like idir, tahar djoaut, lounes matoub and mak all promote secularism and democracy.

I myself am an arifi and secularism is a very unpopular stance in arif, I believe this is also the case with ichel7ian and ichawian. Secularism is especially unpopular with the riffian diaspora.

Anyhow why is secularism more prevelant in kabyle then the other amazigh groups?

Background: I never believed. I was raised to believe but I always knew there was something wrong even before I grew articulate enough to understand what that was. I don't consider myself ex-Muslim, I consider myself never-Muslim. I'm still in the closet to my parents but it will come out in the next few years along with my my ethnic identity, my sexuality, and my embracing the traditional religion of my ancestors.

I'm expecting this will cause my mum to burn the bridge between us. Having spoken with the good people over at the progressive Islam sub, I've decided to just get it all done in one go when I'm safely away from home, ideally after I've graduated but at least after I've started uni.

My mum is a Arab-Berber, as they're called, though she just identifies as an Arab. Despite disliking Amazigh nationalists and languages, she married my father, a Kabyle who is very relaxed about religious practice. It's caused some issues between them, but she tolerates my father as long as he keeps up appearances. I'm also Kabyle but don't make a big show of it in front of my mother but she's noticed I'm using less and less Arabic.

I would like to maintain a relationship with my father and I think he would like that too. I have a variety of reasons to believe he doesn't care that much if at all and I want to ask him.

How would you prefer a as far as you know believing family member approach you if they wanted to know whether you believed or not? How could I ask the question in a way that makes him as comfortable and feel as safe as possible? I don't want him thinking I'll tell mum because even if she knows or suspects he doesn't believe, she'll get angry knowing he told me.

I was thinking of just casually opening with something like "you don't actually believe, do you?" when we're alone but if he doesn't answer try to assure him I'm not angry, going to tell mum, love him any less or try to win him back.

I would like to know because I think it'll be easier if I come out to him first so he can maybe help me easing the blow for mum. I'm also scared she'll blame him for how I turned out.

So if you were in my father's situation and your daughter asked you that question, how would you want to be asked?

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Merci !

Do your worst!

Mehri/Shehri/ some other South Arabian language or some rare berber language?

So next year I'm going to university, I've got plenty of changes I'm going to make over my university years and most importantly of all are going to be that I'm not wearing the hijab anymore, I'm changing my name to a traditional Amazigh name, and I'm going to be out (eventually to my family). We live in the UK.

My father, I don't think cares. I think he's agnostic and just goes along with things for my mother's sake. That isn't that uncommon among Kabyle people, but my mother is Arabic identifying and fairly conservative. She turns a blind eye to my dad's agnosticism I think.

I've been arguing with a self-identified Salafi on Reddit about LGBTQ+ issues recently and it made me think about what to do or say when my mum finds out. I want to know from progressive Muslims how best to ease the blow.

She will initially blame going to university. I've been living a fairly sheltered life, I'm even careful how I access certain things because she checks my computer. This is one of my few escapes. She will then blame my father, partly because he's not big on religion and she knows I'm a Berberist and I'm trying to learn Taqbaylit. I'm very careful to keep my religious beliefs from her but those will come out eventually and that will make her blame my father more. I don't want him suffering because of me, he never particularly pushed Amazigh culture on me and didn't teach me the language.

Worse thing my mum might do is want me to live in Algeria, but I think if it came to that, my dad would intervene. I don't think she would try to force me anyway and I will destroy my passport if necessary. More likely she might disown me but I think my dad wouldn't. I'm scared that my parents will separate over this. I think separation will hurt my mother a lot more.

If she finds out, she'll probably learn several things at once: I'm not Muslim (and she won't believe me if I tell her than I never believed) and I'm lesbian. I'm not telling her that I've joined another religion.

I want them to find out when I've graduated and fully independent but I know there's a risk she'll find out sooner even though I've been very good at hiding everything all these years. For example, I might be in uni halls with a Muslim who notices I wear hijab only when they visit and tells my parents. It might happen.

So what would you recommend I do to ease the blow as much as possible? I don't think quoting any text will help. I was thinking of coming out to my dad first. For refe

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.

I said "hey look, an escaPEA"

No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!

Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂

It really does, I swear!

Buenosdillas

They’re on standbi

Pilot on me!!

Dad jokes are supposed to be jokes you can tell a kid and they will understand it and find it funny.

This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.

If it needs a NSFW tag it's not a dad joke. There should just be a NSFW puns subreddit for that.

Edit* I'm not replying any longer and turning off notifications but to all those that say "no one cares", there sure are a lot of you arguing about it. Maybe I'm wrong but you people don't need to be rude about it. If you really don't care, don't comment.

When I got home, they were still there.

What did 0 say to 8 ?

" Nice Belt "

So What did 3 say to 8 ?

" Hey, you two stop making out "

I won't be doing that today!

You take away their little brooms

This morning, my 4 year old daughter.

Daughter: I'm hungry

Me: nerves building, smile widening

Me: Hi hungry, I'm dad.

She had no idea what was going on but I finally did it.

Thank you all for listening.

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Why

It’s pronounced “Noel.”

I originally posted this on the Progressive Islam sub and was recommended to come here for advice. If it's inappropriate because I'm not a Muslim myself, I apologise, please remove.

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For reference, my mother is a Sunni, Maliki like most North Africans but she attends a British Sunni mosque, which I'm guessing is probably Hanafi?

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So next year I'm going to university, I've got plenty of changes I'm going to make over my university years and most importantly of all are going to be that I'm not wearing the hijab anymore, I'm changing my name to a traditional Amazigh name, and I'm going to be out (eventually to my family). We live in the UK.

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My father, I don't think cares. I think he's agnostic and just goes along with things for my mother's sake. That isn't that uncommon among Kabyle people, but my mother is Arabic identifying and fairly conservative. She turns a blind eye to my dad's agnosticism I think.

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I've been arguing with a self-identified Salafi on Reddit about LGBTQ+ issues recently and it made me think about what to do or say when my mum finds out. I want to know from progressive Muslims how best to ease the blow.

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She will initially blame going to university. I've been living a fairly sheltered life, I'm even careful how I access certain things because she checks my computer. This is one of my few escapes. She will then blame my father, partly because he's not big on religion and she knows I'm a Berberist and I'm trying to learn Taqbaylit. I'm very careful to keep my religious beliefs from her but those will come out eventually and that will make her blame my father more. I don't want him suffering because of me, he never particularly pushed Amazigh culture on me and didn't teach me the language.

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Worse thing my mum might do is want me to live in Algeria, but I think if it came to that, my dad would intervene. I don't think she would try to force me anyway and I will destroy my passport if necessary. More likely she might disown me but I think my dad wouldn't. I'm scared that my parents will separate over this. I think separation will hurt my mother a lot more.

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If she finds out, she'll probably learn several things at once: I'm not Muslim (and she won't believe me if I tell her than I never believed) and I'm lesbian. I'm not telling her that I've joined another religion.

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I want them to find out when I've graduated and fully independent but I know there's a risk she'll find out sooner even though I've been very good at

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