Set in 12th century England, this is the story behind one of England's most bloody dynasties, the Plantagenets and how they came to power under Henry II. This episode discusses the early life of Henry II and the decisions he made that projected him into becoming one of the most powerful men throughout all of Europe in the Middle Ages. We discuss the trials and tribulations he faced as a new king and the choices he made which ultimately led to his demise. Sit back and enjoy this epic journey through history as we explore the Plantagenets.
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http://www.kyrackramer.com/2019/08/24/the-man-who-sired-the-angevin-and-plantagenet-dynasties/ Through Margaret, Queen of Scots, the eldest daughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, one of Geoffrey of Anjouβs descendants still sits on the British throne.
Excuse me if I can't formulate this question as well in the title. My question really is to sort of get in the mind of political players of that time since they all sound so immature and impatient to me.
I'm currently reading "The Plantagenets" by Dan Jones. What interests me mostly are Henry II's sons. The 3 oldest, Henry, Geoffrey and Richard, rebelled against him. In Dan Jones's words - they rebelled against their father because their assigned inheritence, which was already confirmed, came with no actual *present* land ownership. Henry the Young King had been mentioned as having been in debt because of a lavish lifestyle, which prior to his rebellion, made him run to the French king, seemingly to plot against his father but also to preemptively pay homage for the duchy of Normandy iirc. Henry I relented and gave his son an allowance. Also have to point out how the 3 brothers were given slaps on the wrist for rebelling and given some castles to hold and made to swear an oath to their father, who was eventually betrayed by his 4th son, John, in another rebellion after which, according to writing, he died from shock iirc.
In retrospect - the entire situation around his sons rebelling against him makes them look like very spoiled brats and I doubt that's the case.
In any case, the succession in England from the time of William the Bastard to the 13th century had had a more-or-less peaceful transition on only 1 occassion - Richard. But even his rule was disputed by his younger brother, John, who was already even made, by his father, a successor to the title of High King of Ireland and who is described by Dan Jones as the backstabby-kind. John is eventually trying to seize power opportunistically in a comical fashion, discrediting the loyalist chancellor William Longchamp, while his brother is kept basically under house arrest in Germany, then allying with the French king after his brother's return, and then groveling for forgiveness to his brother which led to the event where he massacred the French garrisson at Evreux, former allies.
So my question is - with my modern understanding - are they really just spoiled brats?
This was one of a series of books, whose name was something related to a type of plant, I think it had a yellow flower. Something like barrowwood or broomwood, but nothing came of Google searching those.
The book starts with the 14- or 16- year old girl, whose mother Ursula has just died of the plague, being kicked out of her (aunt's?) house for being illegitimate. She goes to a priest who registered her birth, and finds her middle name to be that of a man. I remember the priest was complaining about how unchristian it was of her mother to name her that.
She also has a ring given to her by her mother, with a curious crest on it. And she had one friend, whose name was Deborah, who also got kicked out of the house with her.
I don't remember what happens immediately next, but somehow she marries a blacksmith/ iron forging guy and the story skips forward several years to when their daughter, (named Ursula after her mother) is also grown up. And they meet some men from a high class family who found their little business. And the family's crest turns out to be the one on that ring.
Her husband dies in an accident at his work. Ursula(the daughter) falls in love with the son of that big family, and her mother (our original MC) discourages it because she suspects they're related (she hasn't yet revealed to that family that she has their ring). She sends Ursula to a convent where she's locked up sewing things with nuns.
Ursula escapes, and is walking down the road when she meets Deborah, her mother's old friend from so many years ago. I don't remember how Deborah recognized her, but Deborah exclaims something along the lines of "good sweet lord jesus, she named you after her mother" and Ursula says sadly about how her mother never told her what had happened when she was young. And Deborah talks about how she'd tried to find the mother but couldn't, and Ursula tells her that she was now using a different surname.
And eventually somehow things are resolved, and Ursula's mother's father turns out to be one of the two brothers from that big family. She reveals the ring to him and he tells her that they had an incident in a barn one day. And he says he's sorry he couldn't be a father to her.
And finally, he reveals to her the secret he hadn't had any other children to tell - that they are descended from King Richard (I think it was Plantagenet) . And he tells her that his father told only him, on his deathbed, and made him swear to pass it down. And he tells her t
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I've read almost all of Philippa Gregory's books and thoroughly enjoyed them but found myself fact checking the last one I read (Taming of the queen) a little too often! So I'd love to read some non-fiction, preferably beginning from the death of King Henry VIII and moving on through to Prince Edwards death and Queen Elizabeth I's succession and reign :) TIA!
In the conclusion of Dan Jones' recent book The Plantagenets, he states that the Tudors eliminated all other Plantagenets in England. How did they do this?
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