She appears to have a tail and is golden. After watching netflix witcher, I think she's a golden dragon. Given that she could transform herself into whatever she wanted to be. Her son as well. Am I right?
Sorry I didn't know Beowulf was an epic first! I Just watched the movie as a child
Just a question
I would love to hear your thoughts
Now when I go back to try and talk to wulfhilda the quest is gone and I’ve somehow started the quest dealing with Halfden and Faravid.
Whoever was Lailarina, " that woman" , SRed refers to her as Grendel's mother.
This is a character from Beowulf medieval epic poem.
Grendel attacks the danish king who was living happily with his wife and men. Beowulf comes from his country- Sweden- kills Grendel, then has to go into a cave under water to kill Grendel's mother who had attack the danish realm in retaliation for the loss of her son. He finally beheads her with one of her sword. He comes back home, becomes king. 50 years later, a slave steals a cup from a dragon who attacks Beowulf's kingdom. The king insists on fighting alone, can't win, until one of his men - the others fled out of cowardice- teams with him and help him defeat the beast.Beowulf is mortally wound.
Well, well... Something stolen from a powerful ennemy who can burn the world- sikorsky archive, Townsend directive, check. Slave stealing- well a honeytrap is not exactly a free woman is she ?
A submarine cave- hideous fish anyone ?
A man from another country, who helps someone, then becomes " king" at home- or concierge of crime ?
One of his men teaming with him ? Dembe, Ressler, or for a surprising twist Liz- or is Liz the dragon ?
Grendel's mother... Well if Lailarina is Liz mother, that is not nice to compare her to the monster Grendel. Or maybe it's just the fact she attacks because someone she loved ( in Lailarina's case her husband) has been taken from her.
Or maybe all that is a pun word which doesn't mean anything...
Do you make it a lumbering beast? Some kind of giant? What level do you expect the party do be?
I've only seen the movie, so I'm not sure how the original version of it goes.
If Beowulf hadn't fallen for Grendel's mother's allure, and had struck her down like her monstrous son, what would have happened? Would the king played by Anthony Hopkins still have killed himself?
Would Beowulf have still became a great king and a warlord?
How does it go in the original legend? Does he conceive a child with Grendel's mother in it? Does he slay her?
The 2007 Beowulf movie was playing somewhere and it got me thinking. A beautiful mother of monsters who gives power to a human warrior by laying with the warrior and thereby secretly conceived a new monster. Also Dresden seems to impregnate anything he shakes his fist at including himself. What horrible monster did Dresden father with mab?
That Grendel’s mother gives birth to a giant deformed rotting manchild and something that transforms into a dragon via mating with humans is kinda telling
The scenes with Grendel and his mother probably creep me out more than any modern horror book.
That is to say, does that mean that whole sequence of Beowulf is a Christian-era invention? I was given to understand that Beowulf was presumably a pagan-era poem that was lightly Christianized to remove the pagan elements.
But if Grendel's mother was a valkyrie or goddess like Frigg, why on Earth would a hero be fighting someone that's... on his side? Moreover, what would that make Grendel? Baldr? Is Beowulf the novel adaption of God of War 2018??
For reference this portion of the Wikipedia is what concerns me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel%27s_mother#Ides/dis_(lady)
After Reds reading of Guards! Guards! Pt2 (52 min in) all I can think of is Grendel's mom busting down the door of the Mead hall saying "I DEMAND to talk to a manager!!"
Where her son was a brutish bully who caved to heroes, the mother of Grendel kept to herself but could more than hold her own in combat against any pesky heroes. When Beowulf slayed her son, Grendel’s mother left her underwater realm to seek revenge against Hrothgar and the hero he had summoned. In turn for this, Beowulf sought the giantess out and fought her in her own home. Beowulf was outmatched by her until he took up the sword of a giant and killed her.
Strength
Grendel’s Mother snatches up a warrior with ease and runs off with him, killing him
>Haste was hers; she would hie afar and save her life when the liegemen saw her. Yet a single atheling up she seized fast and firm, as she fled to the moor.
(Lines 1292-1295)
Grendel’s Mother drags Beowulf to her lair in spite of his struggles, albeit he was facing her court at the same time
>Then bore this brine-wolf, when bottom she touched the lord of rings to the lair she haunted whiles vainly he strove, though his valor held, weapon to wield against wondrous monsters that sore beset him; sea-beasts many tried with fierce tusks to tear his mail, and swarmed on the stranger.
(Lines 1506-1512)
Grendel’s Mother overpowers Beowulf in a grapple, throwing him to the ground despite him having the strength to rip off her son’s arm and overpower him. For reference, Grendel’s head alone was large enough that four warriors struggled to lift it.
>Seized then by shoulder, shrank not from combat, the Geatish war-prince Grendel’s mother. Flung then the fierce one, filled with wrath, his deadly foe, that she fell to ground. Swift on her part she paid him back with grisly grasp, and grappled with him. Spent with struggle, stumbled the warrior, fiercest of fighting-men, fell adown.
(Lines 1537-1544)
Grendel’s Mother pounces on Beowulf and would have impaled him with her blade were it not for his armor and the grace of God
>On the hall-guest she hurled herself, hent her short sword, broad and brown-edged, the bairn to avenge, the sole-born son. — On his shoulder lay braided breast-mail, barring death, withstanding entrance of edge or blade. Life would have ended for Ecgtheow’s son, under wide earth for that earl of Geats, had his armor of war not aided him, battle-net hard, and holy God wielded the victory, wisest Maker.
(Lines 1545-1554)
Stamina and Durability
Grendel’s Mother was either able to hold her breath for hours or breathe underwater as she can enter her underwater lair, whi
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I only recently learned that the Kraken is a creature of Norse mythology (not Greek). It seems like a no-brainer for inclusion as a future monster boss.
Also since they've already borrowed from the tale of Beowulf, via inclusion of the twin Grendel trolls, I'd like to see Grendel's Mother as another boss. It would be nice bonus if the art design draws inspiration from Angelina Jolie's past appearance in that role.
I don't think it's because she's a female, as other women characters that serve a thematic purpose are given names. (See: Higd, Thrith, Welthow, Freaw).
Grendel's mother serves a prominent role in the poem, so it seems strange that she would go unnamed.
I briefly remember reading about this back in high school and the whole underwater/cave scene reminds me of when Beowulf went underwater to fight Grendel’s mom
Edit: also, the cave is in the shape of a wolf
Some days I can't believe Grendel's Mother is my grandmother. I'm convinced there's nothing but seething rage in her heart towards myself and my mom, but we'll never know why she hates us. She just does.
So I've lived in Mississippi all my life, but in a nice region so I never knew what it was like to be poor. My parents moved to this region to help me learn how to hear and speak despite my profound hearing loss.
I had normal hearing at birth. It just mysteriously went away. Doctors never really explained how.
My grandpa bought my parents a house to help them since my education was pricey. He always supported my education and loved us all so much even though he's technically our step-grandfather. Grendel's Mother was passively supportive, if at all. She would actually get mad at my grandpa whenever he wrote a check out to the school where I got my oral education. She didn't really care for me since I looked too much like my Dad and I was deaf to boot. As far she was concerned, I was "a lost cause" and she never liked my mother anyways.
Then my parents divorced. It was somewhat amicable and Dad moved out.
Grendel's Mother huffed a little, which was confusing because she always quietly bitched about Dad. She would smile at him to his face, laugh at his jokes...and then after the visit, she'd pick up the phone to call Mom so she can nitpick every little "sin" Dad committed in her presence. See, even though Dad was a rich lawyer and Mom was a badass fundraiser, Grendel's Mother had to find SOMETHING wrong. In her laundry list of grievances, she'd say "He's too wishy-washy. He needs a backbone" or "He needs to make more money" or "He has a disturbing sense of humor" (This was said after Dad was laughing over some stupid play on the words; earlier Grendel's Mother was laughing over some poor homeless man barely avoiding being hit on a Delta highway. Wtf?)
When she couldn't find a reason to bitch about Dad, she'd focus on the house. Mom would deep clean the house until her knuckles bled before every visit, but Grendel's Mother would come in, look around and sigh and mutter, "It's beige." And that was all she would say. Just sighing and muttering and huffing "never mind..." as she looked around the house.
So, my parents got divorced and Dad moved out. We still lived in the house. Then Mom met a man and he proposed. All this happened over three years or so, I believe. Possibly longer.
Shit hit the fan.
Grendel's Mother claimed to have held o
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Grendel's Mother is my grandmother. She got the name because of how she babies her golden child and my deeply problematic uncle who is a repeat dropout, a former drug addict who pretends he never was an addict and just...problematic. Well, he didn't really have a chance to be a better person while being the Grendel to Grendel's Mom. That woman could write a book on how to be a bonafide Mississippi Delta narcissist.
Growing up in the Delta, racism is a given. My family was no exception besides my scapegoat mother and her great uncle. Grendel's Mother took her own racism to a ridiculous low though.
When Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana and Mississippi coast, people who lost their homes came to stay with their families in the Delta. This was the worst of Hurricane Katrina, if you ask Grendel's Mother. Those people deprived her of one precious item.
One weekend, my mother, little sister and I came to visit. Grendel's Mother, despite being a SAHW with a maid, announced she needed to go grocery shopping right when we pulled in the driveway. Well, alright then, at least we got to relax from the ass-achingly long roadtrip before dealing with Grendel's Mother.
A couple hours later, the front door slammed. Everyone inside unconsciously braced themselves. My sister and I heard her seethe so we bolted. We didn't notice that Grendel's Mother brought back nothing.
She set the stage by muting the television. She dramatically faced whoever decided to stay in the living room and hissed, "Can you believe it?"
My family avoided eye contact but she was not deterred.
"The grocery was fucking overrun," she growled. "I couldn't get any peanut butter because there were just TOO MANY N******!"
Then she went into a spiel on Hurricane Katrina and how it sent all these (n-word) people to her beloved little city and how crime rates gonna fly, and why do they keep buying all the damn meat??? (The groceries in her city really were out of meat for a while; I'm not sure why but of course black people were blamed.)
My Grandaddy inhales a whole cigarette, ashing just once, and then asks, "You really couldn't buy one jar of peanut butter because of them?"
Grendel's Mother roared, "YES!!!!"
She then pours a strong drink, cooks up a fine meal (I cannot deny she was a great Southern chef), and then sulked in her plush leather chair with the angriest glare the whole night.
To this day, she's still mad at Hurricane Katrina for robbing her of an opportunity to buy p
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A little late but 22 will be Cubs in Five
Think I got it all in the title. Go for it.
From the first episode we hear what Liz had been told about her parents:
>Abandoned by a father who was a career criminal, a mother who died of weakness and shame.
So, not a dead father and a mother who hid, which SEEMS to be the apparent narrative, but a criminal father who abandoned her and is alive, and a mother who abandoned her as well, and who is dead by her own hand.
So, that was that all about "Mother" until 2015, in season 2, when Liz found a photo of a blond woman in a swing with her, and believed this woman to be her mother, which sent her into a frenzy of investigating.
https://preview.redd.it/d15pzf0qao881.png?width=1373&format=png&auto=webp&s=29ab7b2d94e3e3a5f6f3e317343b6111f5737197
She enhances the photo, and runs it against facial databases finding nothing:
>LIZ: I had the photo enhanced. It's a rough extrapolation of features since the face was almost entirely blown out. I ran it through every FBI database from facial recognition, mug shots, surveillance feeds ... Do you know how many images are in the NGI database? .... 51 million. And not a single one of her.... That girl- That's me. And the woman- I believe that may be my mother.
Her next clue comes from Tom noticing that the woman is wearing a ring with a mark similar to one Berlin, a Russian former KGB Colonel, wore. The mark was a Russian inspection stamp, a clue that Liz's mother might be Russian.
>TOM: That stamp. The ring.. I've seen it before.... Berlin. He wore a ring with that exact hallmark. It's a Russian inspection stamp.
Eventually this leads to Red telling Liz about the photo, and that is when we learn more about Liz's mother, when Red begins being very cagey about Liz's mother.
What manifests this caginess? Red's use of Katarina's entire name "Katarina Rostova", a very unnatural usage, while sometimes he uses "your mother".
But is especially notable when Liz's question is about her "mother", and Red answers with "Katarina Rostova". More on that later.
Red does not do this with Dembe, Dom, or Ilya. Only with Liz, although he is secretive to an extent with the fake Inspector Oban, the Illusionist, as well.
>You said you prefer illusion to reality.... I may have seemed like an illusion, but she is one someone you can never find..... I may not have told you what you want, but I told you all you need. You'll never find Rostova.
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>OBAN: *Ah, yes, yes, yes, because she's an illusion
