What if the organ is the start of "actual" lucidity, and it becomes clearer over time, until you can make out the choir, starting the "terminal" lucidity? Also, what if the choir isn't a funeral, but rather a memory of a church service or Christmas caroling? That fits with the fact that the sample used comes from a church.
Terminal Lucidity
A blue sky; a soft breeze—
Nesting birds and honeybees.
A single cloud; a brief phone call—
Before you know it, you’ve lost it all.
The Wiki article that is cited has several scientific citations. They refuse to clarify or respond. The Wiki article was also invaded by 'skeptics' after it became popularised. Now it reads:
"Terminal lucidity is a term that is supposedly coined by Michael Nahm."
Supposedly coined?? How can they be skeptical of the fact that it was coined? Of course the term was named, otherwise it would be "blank" instead of "terminal lucidity."
Skeptics are utterly absurd. I wish I was making this up.
Terminal Lucidity is an unexpected return of memory and mind, a brief moment of mental clarity that happens promptly before death, it can last for minutes, hours or days, it has been estimated that only 10% of dementia patients will experience this last moment of consciousness, it is still unknown the reason for it to happen.
And my theory is that it happens as a last effort of the brain to save the body from dying, a part of the hippocampus is still healty, causing long-therm memories to come back and the brain uses it's last energies to clear out synapses and tangles, returning to what it was before, but since the body is weak and can't do much, sadly it doesn't lasts for long, and only strong people who were healty and exercised their body and mind constantly will experience it.
I thought this might interest you for a story.
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2016/12/OTH28.pdf
Hey everyone! Sorry for the double posting today. I was hoping in this thread, we could pool together all the links and information we have about this mysterious phenomenon.
Terminal lucidity, is a very under studied thing that happens to those dying. Where before they go, they seemingly come back in health, energy and personality. This surge of life, happens often just days or even hours before the patient passes away. Almost like a good spirited "goodbye!"
This has been observed even in patients with dementia and extreme mental disorders. Suddenly coming back to their old selves, just before fading into the unknown.
What does this have to do with NDES? Nothing we can be sure of yet. It is a mystery related to death and dying though. Possibly even the existence of an immortal soul..
What is interesting though, is the lack of reporting on this. So I was hoping we could all share what we know! Personal experience, articles, videos, etc.
In the comments for another post here, u/rabthepriest shared some interesting sources, and I thought this Guardian article on people's experiences with terminal lucidity (or, as it's being rebranded, for reasons explained in the article, paradoxical lucidity) deserved a post of its own:
'The clouds cleared': what terminal lucidity teaches us about life, death and dementia
The comments section is also super interesting, with many people sharing personal experiences. I was especially struck by the person to talked about her loved one bursting into song during her lucid period--that has been reported in paradoxical lucidity accounts going back to the 1800s, but it had sounded so unusual to me I wasn't sure I believed it. Apparently it still happens!
Also, I am annoyed at the comments talking about deathbed visions as hallucinations. Christopher Kerr--a hospice physician who is self-confessedly leery of the supernatural and who researches delirium in addition to visions in the dying--has repeatedly said they are not.
Has anyone experienced terminal lucidity with a loved one right before passing? My husband went nearly 2 weeks without eating, was extremely tired and weak to now asking for food and being very lively. As I previously posted I thought it was the end for him and now I’m reading this could be a sign of death also. What an emotional roller coaster this is.
EDIT: I meant deathbed visions not terminal lucidity, sorry I still confuse aspects of the two
I’m an animal lover and I’m very convinced of the existence of an afterlife and/or reincarnation (even if my anxiety tries to make me doubt), I believe animals have souls too but do you think animals are capable of having NDEs? I definitely believe they experience DBVs, as my friend’s dog before he passed at home of old age seemed to look up with intent at something or someone that wasn’t there before taking his last breath, but what about NDEs? Of course we have no way of knowing and I don’t know if animals are capable of “learning” from their NDEs but I do wonder if they experience them.
My interpretation of the Was It A Dream segment in K1 is that it is actually Terminal Lucidity and that Place In The World Fades Away is actually The Caretaker's funerals, hear me out : the organ segment in R1 symbolizes the last moments of The Caretaker's life and the needle dropping is his heart stopping, the echoing scratches you hear between that and PFR sounds like, to me at least, like two people in a morgue coughing and dragging along the hospital bed in which The Caretaker rests lifeless and as PFR plays, his body is burried into the ground and is followed by a minute of silence, to me this makes more sense than PFR being Terminal Lucidity but I don't think there can be one definitive interpretation as everyone will see something different in both tracks
Taken from Aware of Aware
The brain of someone who dies with AD can weigh as much as 30% less than a normal brain at death. AD destroys the brain through a pathway that is widely understood to involve the deposition of Beta-Amyloid plaques in the neurons of the brain, which then through an immune response causes another protein called Tau, which has structural and metabolic roles in the neuron, to become dissociated with the neuron and eventually form clumps and neuronal death.
This is the Amyloid cascade pathway that most scientists believe is the primary mechanism by which AD occurs. The process can start up to 20 years before symptoms appear, and once symptoms appear will usually kill the patient within 6-15 years. It is a terminal disease.
As the disease progresses patients go from experiencing mild cognitive impairment (MCI) which usually involves short term memory issues, to mild dementia which may affect one’s ability to do complex tasks, through to severe or advanced dementia where the patient is normally incapable of the most basic of tasks, becomes completely incontinent, and has lost all memory function or ability to speak.
They are barely conscious as we understand consciousness. The final stage is death when the part of the brain that controls vital functions such as metabolism or heart rate etc becomes affected. Often dementia patients will die of chest infections as they lose their cough reflex and they literally drown in the fluid accumulating in their lungs. Often they will have pneumonia on their death certificates, but ultimately it is AD that killed them.
In the UK it is now acknowledged as the biggest killer (over 20% of “with COVID” deaths are dementia patients). Suffice to say, at this stage the brain should not be functionally capable of lucidity.
Terminal, or paradoxical lucidity, is the phenomenon in which patients who have advanced AD and who have been in a state of cognitive non existence for months suddenly appear completely lucid or “their old selves again”. This usually occurs shortly before their deaths. It is not unique to AD patients, but from a scientific and philosophical perspective it is this group of patients that are most interesting and where those who have an interest in NDEs become excited.
Ultimately, terminal or paradoxical lucidity is not understood from a scientific perspective. A brain that has lost so much of its physical structure that the patient long ago lost cognitive function, and can no lo
... keep reading on reddit ➡It was kinda devastating, however for me they seemed so at peace that I can't be sad because in my opinion they found their own truth.
A day or two ago (I can’t remember if I posted in the evening or the morning) I said that dad was nearing the end in the hospice. Well yesterday we were all with him and he was awake and chatting away most of the time. He even ate some rice crispies, which my mum was annoyed about because we thought he wasn’t supposed to be eating anymore as he was so sick last time, but he kept them down. He did feel a bit sick though but they gave him some antisickness medication which seemed to work.
My mum thinks it’s the drugs they’re giving him in the hospice and that he’s more comfortable now, which is great. She’s wondering if he’ll even be able to come home and carry on for a month or two, although I know this isn’t what she wants. Now he’s in the hospice and being taken care of she says she can be his wife again as opposed to his carer. She also just wants it to be over.
As for me, I don’t know what to think/feel. I’ve heard that sometimes people rally before death and seem a lot better and then rapidly deteriorate after that. I’m wondering if that’s what’s happening. Has anyone experienced this?
I’d sort of prepared myself for him to go and I really don’t know how to feel about it if he does come home for a bit longer. I should be happy but I’m not sure if I will be. I’ve already told everyone I need to at work that we’re nearing the end and I’m taking some time off. Is it wrong that I don’t want to u-turn on that? I don’t want to be the girl that cried wolf! Even though I’m sure they’ll understand - that’s what we were told and what it looked like at the time. I just feel…confused.
I’m going to go back to the hospice soon, and I have no idea what to expect - will he be awake and chatting away again or will he be in and out of consciousness but mostly asleep? How will I feel about either of those?
Terminal lucidity is often reported as someone sparking up and becoming active. Despite their failing bodies/mental condition. Some people even reporting patients with alzheimers remembering.
Is this true at all? Have you seen this?
My MIL is in a residential hospice with Cancer. She slowly got more tired over a two week period, until she was mostly sleeping for two days straight. The next day she seemed to wake up. She was asking full questions, alert, conversing- it was something we hadn’t seen in almost a week. She was like this for almost 24hrs, and then she closed her eyes, went to sleep, and hasn’t woken up for two days.
Right before she ‘woke up’, she developed a rash. The doctor suspected it was from the one type of seizure medication that she was on, so he switched it to something else. It’s a very mild dose, and she’s actually back on the same medication/dose she was on 3 weeks ago. But my husband and family friend are convinced it was this switch that made her go unconscious again. They are upset with the doctor for not switching her back, or removing the seizure meds all together. They think she will wake up again.
I personally think that she had a moment of terminal lucidity. Or, because brain cancer is so unpredictable, it was related to the way her brain was swelling. I’ve tried telling them both because I’m worried they think that there’s a way to ‘get her back’. It’s heartbreaking because they had accepted her prognosis, and were waiting for her to pass away before she ‘woke up’. But now they keep fixating on this ‘new’ medication being the cause of her coma-like state.
I don’t want my husband to feel like there’s ‘something he could have done’ because I don’t think there is. But I also don’t want to convince them to back down if this might be medication related? What are your thoughts?
From what I know terminal lucidity is still a mystery and very interesting I don't know what to think of it honestly what do you guys think?
