Michael Brooks and The Principle of Charity, or, โ€œSome Things You Were Wrong On, Some Things I Was Right Onโ€

I get that Destiny has an admiration for Sam Seder and Michael Brooks. I get that these are guys that he respects and that if heโ€™s gonna be charitable to anyone, he would be charitable to them- assuming theyโ€™re operating in good faith, assuming theyโ€™re going to just want to have a conversation about facts and conclusions coming from them, not just a discussion where you see who talks more or sounds better. And I also get that Destiny doesnโ€™t want to get in a shouting match, doesnโ€™t want to talk over him, etc. These are all understandable.

HOWEVER: Brooks, as could kind of been assumed by some statements he had said before (like his one to Ben Burgis), came here to win the debate and โ€œdebunk Destinyโ€. If Destinyโ€™s gonna be outspoken Twitter guy, give these abrasive strongly worded tweets, he needs to follow through with that when it gets in to the real debate. It makes Destiny look really bad when he just lets Brooks talk over him, and itโ€™s something he would NEVER let anyone on the right do. He needed to call Brooks out, he needed to stop him from gish galloping and talking over him, and he needed to do that not just to look good, but to get to a point where they could actually have an honest charitable debate on the subject. If Destinyโ€™s not willing or not able to do that, he shouldnโ€™t platform Brooks/have the discussion.

TL;DR: If someone comes on to debate, Destiny needs to challenge them the way he challenges everyone. The amount he let Brooks get away with was mind boggling to me, and if thereโ€™s ever a second debate, he needs to call it out when he sees Brooks engaging in this behavior. If he holds Hasan to the same standards he held the right wingers to, he needs to do the same with Michael Brooks.

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For the next week we will be more strictly enforcing both the principle of charity and idw related content

This is something we have done every so often for a week or two at a time and we are again now. Thank you all

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Philosophy/Rhetoric: The Principle of Charity

This principle is considered beyond good practice, and is basically mandatory in any type of argument or debate. It is also known as "charitable interpretation" and requires interpreting anyone's statements in their best, strongest, most rational possible interpretation. One must avoid assigning any fallacies, falsehoods, or objectionable motives to any statement when there are other possible interpretations that don't have those issues.

Why can't people do this today? It's like we're trying to find things with which we can take offense or denigrate people.

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Using the principle of charity when objecting to arguments

My epistemology TA explained the principle of charity in the following way:

Letโ€™s say thereโ€™s some argument A:

  1. Premise
  2. Conclusion

You want to object to A by saying itโ€™s invalid. This is pointless because the arguer could just add a premise:

  1. Premise
  2. If 1., then Conclusion
  3. Conclusion.

And, by the principle of charity, once you add this premise, and only then, can you reason about whether the premise should be added.

What he said, in general, is suppose you have some premises P, conclusion Q, and the argument is invalid. Then you could just write:

  1. P
  2. P implies Q
  3. So Q

What I donโ€™t understand, though, is how this is at all helpful. If Iโ€™m saying that an argument is invalid, Iโ€™m implicitly saying that โ€œIf Premises, then Conclusionโ€ isnโ€™t necessarily true. That directly contradicts the premise that Iโ€™d add to make it valid, which wouldnโ€™t win me soundness. So why is it not useful to just say โ€œyour argument is invalid, and therefore unsound,โ€ when saying that also implicitly says, โ€œand adding a premise to make it valid also makes it unsound.โ€

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zei_nabq on Twitter: 'the weinstein bros are experts at bending the principle of charity far beyond its breaking point to apologize for their far right buddies promoting racist garbage, while they go in the opposite direction in equal proportion when a college student says they don't like racism' twitter.com/zei_nabq/statโ€ฆ
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Interpreting Dead Philosophers: the problem with the principle of charity blogs.lse.ac.uk/theforum/โ€ฆ
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Using Blockchain to Build "Charities" that automate Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing a Commons -- An โ€˜Ostrom Compliantโ€™ Cyber-Physical Commons medium.com/commonsstack/aโ€ฆ
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Fetal Attraction: Abortion and the Principle of Charity | Slate Star Codex slatestarcodex.com/2013/0โ€ฆ
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Neil Bearden on the principle of charity vimeo.com/24222389
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The Commons Stack by Giveth - "Charities" that automate Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing a Commons -- An โ€˜Ostrom Compliantโ€™ Cyber-Physical Commons medium.com/commonsstack/aโ€ฆ
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โ€œThe Salvation Army is based on Christian principles so these things are not in line with those,โ€ said Goodyear, noting parents at times have requested the Twilight toys be excluded from their gift bags. But she said the charity delivers those toys to other agencies that then distribute them. calgarysun.com/news/alberโ€ฆ
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Dalai Lama says Donald Trump has a 'lack of moral principle' | World news theguardian.com/world/201โ€ฆ
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[Reiss] The Patriots announce that WR Julian Edelman is their 2019 Ed Block Courage Award recipient. The honor is bestowed annually upon a player who "best exemplifies the principles of courage and sportsmanship while also serving as a source of inspiration." twitter.com/MikeReiss/staโ€ฆ
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Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web, has officially launched the Contract for the Web, a set of principles designed to โ€œfixโ€ the internet and prevent us from sliding into a โ€œdigital dystopia" theverge.com/2019/11/25/2โ€ฆ
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Even if I could afford it, thereโ€™s a matter of principles and a question of morals.
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The Party of Idolaters | The Republican Party, which some of us still hope to reform and which others have left, no longer deals in principle, morality, or the pursuit of the common welfare. theatlantic.com/ideas/arcโ€ฆ
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If gme hits 100k a share I will climb Everest and plant a GME and Mental health charity (of your choice) logo flag

I need suggestions - top upvoted comment will be the charity - You heard that right if GME hits 100k a share I will record all of it on YouTube for you all to watch too. Monkey army.

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TIL of the anthropic principle: the idea that any data we collect about the universe is filtered by the fact that, in order for it to be observable in the first place, it must be compatible with the conscious thinking life that observes it. We see, only because we are in a universe that can be seen. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antโ€ฆ
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Greg Mankiw, The Most Prominent Macroeconomist in the world, Harvard Professor who writes the first year college textbook of Principles of Macroeconomics for Economics students, Just endorsed Andrew Yangโ€™s plan for a UBI as the solution in combatting inequality.

Mankiw is the 11th most cited economist and the 9th most productive research economist in the world. His โ€œPrinciples of Macroeconomicโ€œ textbook is the best selling macroeconomics book in the world by far.

This manโ€™s book writes the definitions of macroeconomics. The same way Campbellโ€˜s book does for Biology and Halliday, Resnick, Walker do for physics.

If you think you understand inflation more than this guy, you technically canโ€™t. His book is the reference for the first and second paragraph on the wikipedia page for โ€œInflationโ€.

EDIT: Timestamped link: https://youtu.be/HDKfdmbCuvw?t=31615

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"Freedom of Speech" is a libertarian principle. The First Amendment protects freedom of speech from the Government. Corporations and individuals can still violate the principle of "Freedom of Speech" and thereby commit censorship. Censorship is almost always bad. Opposition to censorship is good.

You don't have to take my word for this argument. Here are the words of Aaron Schwartz, an instrumental figure in early Reddit history:

>So I have my own justification for freedom of speech: because we can. Human freedom is important, so we should try to protect it from encroachment wherever possible. With most freedoms โ€” freedom of motion, freedom of exchange, freedom of action โ€” permitting them in full would cause some problems. People shouldnโ€™t be free to walk into other peopleโ€™s bedrooms, take all their stuff, and then punch the poor victims in the face. But hurling a bunch of epithets at the guy really isnโ€™t so bad.

>Freedom of speech is one place where we can draw the line and say: all of this is acceptable. Thereโ€™s no further logic to it than that; freedom of speech is not an instrumental value. Like all freedom, itโ€™s fundamental, and the only reason we happen to single it out is because itโ€™s more reasonable than all of the others.

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/becausewecan

Or the General Manager of Twitter, 9 years ago:

>"Generally, we remain neutral as to the content because our general council and CEO like to say that we are the free speech wing of the free speech party."

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/22/twitter-tony-wang-free-speech

Or Jack Dorsey, the man himself, on the platform itself:

>Twitter stands for freedom of expression. We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering dialogue.

https://twitter.com/jack/status/651003891153108997

They are not talking about first amendment protections. They are invoking the high ideal that communication between willing parties should not be restrained by government, individuals, or any other platform that offers to publish people's speech. It is universal in reach.

The Wikipedia page is 100% clear on this as well:

>Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

If you are arguing that Freedom of Speech somehow does not apply to corporate entities, you are wrong. You are of course free to believe otherwise, but you will remain wrong.

It is that simple. If you cannot separate the ideal that is Freedom of Speech from the Constitutional Right which protects freedom of speech, your thinking is, in this way, flawed.

People make this error both ways, b

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CAFFEINE ADDICT?! There are NUMEROUS posts directly from MAD stating she can't survive without her daily caffeine drinks. She says she needs them to function (can't say I blame her) yet she also claims to be a devout Mormon. Isn't drinking caffeine against the principles of their religious beliefs?
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Shoutout to Throt's voice actor VoiceSnacks who's going to play with himself live on twitch for charity later today. Would be cool if some of you could give him a visit.
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The NCAA is developing a "set of principles" for a new policy that would allow players to profit off their image and likeness, per @CBSSports.

Edited with more direct link: https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-working-on-new-image-and-likeness-policy-for-images-137661019/

https://twitter.com/247Sports/status/1188880177981464577?s=19

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[Steele] Some NFL owners are just fundamentally opposed to a 50-50 split with players out of principle - as Jerry Jones said when we interviewed him about it during talks over the last CBA, pointing to his chest: โ€œI put on the show.โ€ twitter.com/ESPNMichele/sโ€ฆ
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Nicholas Christakis: Iโ€™m seeing more and more stories of American (and Australian) universities failing to defend basic principles of open expression on their own campuses for fear of offending Chinese government. This is completely wrong and shortsighted. twitter.com/nachristakis/โ€ฆ
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If you don't believe in tipping, that's your right and it's perfectly fine. BUT...if you then choose to use a tip based business and receive the included perks and then refuse to tip, you're not a person of principle. You're a hypocrite and a cheap asshole.
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The Bible offers foundational principles for Christians when it comes to confronting corruption and immorality practiced in the name of religion

Religious corruption and hypocrisy as well as the abuse of religion for immoral or corrupt ends is always something that has to be grappled with in the Church and religious institutions. For Christians the Bible itself offers a template of principles and theological reflections when confronting corruption and immorality practised either in religious settings or in the name of religion.

(i)Confronting sexual immorality

  • The Apostle Paul when speaking to the Church in Corinth says about the issue "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral persons-not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers or idolaters, since you would then need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother or sister who is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard or robber. Do not even eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging those outside? Is not those who are inside that you are to judge? God will judge those outside. Drive out the wicked person from among you"(1 Corinthians 5:9-13)
  • This text from the Apostle Paul is interesting for a number of different reasons. It distinguishes corruption inside and outside the Church. It is saying that just because there is corruption and sexual immorality in other institutions doesn't give the Church an excuse to pass the buck on confronting this issue. Which can be a common response when deflecting on the issue of corruption and sexual immorality. He states as members of the Church the primary responsibility is to make judgement on the conduct of those inside the Church.
  • This text has a lot of relevance for Christians confronting sexual immorality in the Church. It can manifest itself in different ways. The mildest is adultery and unfaithfulness by ministers. The worst of course are the massive cases of sexual abuse in Churches, regardless of denomination. The Apostle Paul's instructions are clear that they are to be shunned and the community has the responsibility to drive out these wicked people from its midsts. Abusers, molesters, especially when they are in positions of pastoral authority are to be driven out. The scripture also makes clear the fate of the sexually immoral as those who will burn in the Lake of fire(Rev 21).

(ii)Confronting religious hypocrisy and involvement in injustice

  • The prophetic literature and the Gospels are especially instructive on th
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I vote for my principles not a party. The behavior of the bernie broโ€™s have convinced me to not vote
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Four Principles of Aikido

At the heart of aikido lies something more than just martial technique or a peaceful and harmonizing philosophy. What lies beneath the surface of normal and routine aikido training is budo โ€“ the martial way. Budo is not a martial technique or a particular style; it is the essence of oneโ€™s character and a way of life. Aikido reflects this idea of budo in its core philosophy. It is not just aikido that demonstrates budo however, but all modern Japanese martial arts, allย gendaiย budo.

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Ocasio-Cortez: "Usury - aka high interest - happens to be explicitly denounced in the Bible (& in many other religions). Looking forward to having the religious right uphold their principles + sign onto my bill. ๐Ÿ˜‡ Unless of course theyโ€™re only invoking religion to punish women + queer people." twitter.com/AOC/status/11โ€ฆ
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Habeas Porcus โ€” how our judiciary is murdering the principle of โ€˜bail, not jailโ€™ routinely theprint.in/national-inteโ€ฆ
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Fundamental principles of epidemic spread highlight the immediate need for large-scale serological surveys to assess the stage of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhiโ€ฆ
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Dan Crenshaw has created a handy-dandy list of conservative principles -- This is the kind of thing that conservatives should print up and carry around with them for throw-down challenges against leftists. americanthinker.com/blog/โ€ฆ
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My new dedicated server seems to be stuck. Is google analytics required? I typically don't allow them through my network out of principle.
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