TIL Traditionalist Catholic Priest Richard Williamson was consecrated as a Bishop in 1988, immediately excommunicated by Pope John Paul II, un-excommunicated in 2009 by Pope Benedict XVI, and then re-excommunicated in 2015 by Pope Francis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric…
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Pope John Paul II with Michael Schumacher and the whole Ferrari team (January 2005) reddit.com/gallery/rvv2ar
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[identify] Pope John Paul II
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Beaming Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are pictured being blessed by Pope John Paul II in 2003 the-sun.com/news/4110742/…
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What if Pope John Paul II were still alive
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Pope John Paul II immediately after being shot in St Peter's Square in Vatican City, 1981. The Pope later forgave the shooter, Mehmet Ali Ağca, and requested his life-term imprisonment be pardone, [2048x1516]
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Pope John Paul II praying at the Hill of Crosses in Siauliai, Lithuania, in 1993. πŸ‡±πŸ‡Ή
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South Korean commemorative postage stamps honoring Pope John Paul II (1984) reddit.com/gallery/rtdlrn
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Photo of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell blessed by Pope John Paul II, who has a history of hiding and protecting Ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick from Pedophilia allegations.
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Pope John Paul II waves as he arrives for Sunday Mass at Youido Plaza in Seoul, South Korea - 1989
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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch are u

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The absolute worst human being who was part of the Catholic church and right hand of Pope John Paul II. Marcial Maciel. Scum of the earth.
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Pope John Paul II meets with, and forgives the man who tried to assassinate him.
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Pope John Paul II was a polyglot. He spoke 12 languages; Polish, Latin, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, German, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak and Esperanto. He used 9 as Pope. He learned them in 1938, just before the Nazis occupied Poland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop…
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In 1981, a Turkish man shot Pope John Paul II four times but didn't kill him. After the Pope recovered, he visited the assassin in prison forgave him. The assassin was pardoned at the Pope's request and 33 years after his crime, he visited Vatican City and laid flowers on the Pope's tomb.
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Rare 19th century Flagellant nun’s gilet containing iron spikes for the purposes of mortifying the flesh and emulating the wounds of Christ. This practice still occurs in certain Catholic sects today. Pope John Paul II was a Flagellant. reddit.com/gallery/ql8d1b
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Al Hirt Performs Ave Maria for Pope John Paul II youtube.com/watch?v=1zqku…
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On this day, 43 years ago, the Metropolitan Archbishop of KrakΓ³w, Cardinal Karol JΓ³zef WojtyΕ‚a, was elected Pope, becoming the first non-Italian pope since the 16th century (John Paul II)
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The Life of Pope John Paul II (comic) (Vol. # 1, No. 1 Issue) by Marvel Comics (1982)
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Pope John Paul II was named an honorary globe trotter in the year 2000
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Pope John Paul II rule
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Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell receiving blessings from Pope John Paul II at the Vatican
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3 October, 1992: SinΓ©ad O’Connor tears up a photo of Pope John Paul II on "Saturday Night Live" history.com/this-day-in-h…
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Adrian VI (1523) was the only Dutch Pope, and non-Italian, until John Paul II. Adrian had never been to Italy before becoming Pope. Italians mocked him as a β€œBarbarian" and some rejoiced at his death. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop…
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Facts about Pope John Paul II that might surprise people, since its his feast day in the Roman Catholic Church.

When people think about John Paul II, they associate him with just conservatism in the Roman Catholic Church. And that is, partly true. I say partly because he did not fit into the Western liberal/conservative boxes during his tenure as a religious leader. So here are some facts about Pope John Paul II that might surprise people when it comes to his record.

(i)He strongly denounced the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

  • During his dying days when President Bush was preparing for the Iraq War John Paul and the Vatican were some of the loudest opponents of it. His opposition was so prominent that he was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize. He opposition also lead to a strange situation where Osama Bin Laden actually told Al Qaeda operatives not target Catholic Churches when they engaged in their terrorist activities because John Paul's anti war stance was noted.

(ii)He was a strong supporter of the Anti Apartheid struggle

  • At a time when other conservative leaders in the West had supported the South African government for geopolitical reasons because of the Cold War, John Paul II supported the anti apartheid forces and actually participated in the boycott of Apartheid South Africa. This opposition was noted by Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela who praised his anti apartheid stances and developed a close friendship with him.

(iii)He strongly opposed the American embargo against Cuba

  • You would think that John Paul, the ardent anti communist from Poland, would be for U.S sanctions on Cuba which is a communist state. Actually no. He strongly denounced it, and most sanctions, seeing them as harmful to people in the developing world. He even was able to convince President Bill Clinton to ease the Cuban Embargo in 1998 so that Cuba could get important medical assistance during a Hurricane and also help with their economic situation.
  • In turn, because of John Paul's diplomacy, he played a major role in changing Fidel Castro's mind on religion. Initially after the Cuban revolution religion was banned for political reasons. After meeting John Paul in 1992 freedom of religion was guaranteed on the island in 1992. Castro also developed surprisingly a close affinity with John Paul and actually mourned his death in 2005. Despite them having radically different ideologies.

(iv)He played a major role in helping end the genocide in East Timor

  • East Timor was under an American backed Indonesian occupation of its island from 1975 to 1999 which resulted in the m
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[#651|+545|39] circa 2003 : Pope John Paul II blessing sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and accused sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell …. [r/agedlikemilk] reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk…
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One of the generic European accelerationist portraits is Pope John Paul II
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TIL In 1999 Pope John Paul II released an album. It had entirely original compositions and reached #175 on the billboard charts en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abb…
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OutOfTheLoop: Why is deceased Polish rapper Magik often memed with Pope John Paul II ?

I get the Pope memes, but I am just confused on why rapper Magik (aka. Piotr Łuszcz) is often memed along side him? In r/2137, I have seen a lot of memes that consists of Magik and Pope. Magik committed suicide in 2000 and left his wife and young son, but what made him to be memed alongside Pope? How is Magik viewed among Polish populace ?

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In 1981, a Turkish man shot Pope John Paul II four times but didn't kill him. After the Pope recovered, he visited the assassin in prison forgave him. The assassin was pardoned at the Pope's request and 33 years after his crime, he visited Vatican City and laid flowers on the Pope's tomb.
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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch a

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch a

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch are u

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch a

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch are u

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch a

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch a

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch are u

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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Why has Catholicism traditionally been so open to art variety (esp different racial and ethnic representation) but so rigid about a single Sacred Language Until Pope John Paul II? While Eastern Orthodoxy had been strict about art styles despite being so open about language variety in masses?

My family is from Portugal. Grandma and Grandparents still take Latin language mass, believing it to be the only legit form of mass.......

Now my Avos are pretthy nationalistic, to the point they have been accused of white supremacy by modern woke crowds. Even discounting how seemingly patriotic they are about being Portugeuse, they hold many old views like homosexuality being a great evil, using condom condemns to hell, and so many "rightwing beliefs"..............

Yet despite that they will treat statue of nonwhite Jesus used by Brazillians with utmost sacredness, they had prayed to a Lady of Guadalupe statue without hesitation, and despite their bragging about Portuguese pride they treat everybody black, Vietnamese, and so on with complete respect. Even allowing my sister to marry a MidEastern person who attends an Eastern Catholic Church and treating one of my cousins who's dark skinned and half Guatemalan with utmost equality as a family member.

However as I said earlier they only attend Latin mass church. They genuinely believe that Language was the one sole thing that kept the whole Church united and Vatican 2 Open a permanent damage to the Church by creating more ethnic strife bby allowing the use of different langauges. That Latin as the sacred liturgy was what keep people from all different churches and races using a variety of art traditions from the stereotypical desert Hispanic design of architectural building to the Lady of La Vang who looks very Vietnamese.............. That the Church as united through Latin and the language effectively shut people from beinging controversial issues to mass such as illegal immigration from non-English countries and white supremacy and ethnic segregation in France and other nations where French is an official language.

So they believe despite John Paul II's benevolent intentions, officially allowing Vernacula Mass has destroyed Church unity and is a big reason why stuff like BLM and Latinos refusing to learn English are getting hacked into the Church.........

That said I know Eastern Orthodoxy on the fsurface seems dicided by ethnicity...... Yet any devoute Orthodox Christian shares the same views as my grandparents where despite being proud of their ethnicity, they'd ultimately believe we are all human and despite nationality, race, and ethnicity were are all equal under the banner of one church.... And that this is pretty much the stancce of the Orthodox council that all humans within the CHurch are u

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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πŸ‘€︎ u/SlamDunkerista
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