So I am reading the robots/empire/foundation series in that order. I finished all the robots books, and I am halfway through the second empire book (currents of space). So far I’ve really enjoyed all of the books. However It hasn’t met my expectations in one regard. I had thought that there would be more connections and more cannon both within the series’ and between them. I’d had this idea of some epic tale with with elements of each story being important in the next. So each story would be independent, a stand-alone adventure or mystery, but there would also be details, characters and exposition that would be relevant to a larger galactic picture. Maybe I haven’t been attentive enough, maybe I haven’t read far enough, but overall it just about seems like both the books and the series’ are self contained. I’m sure the order they were published in also plays a role in this (and I’m intentionally avoiding looking into the publishing order - I’m going off of a recommended reading order) but there are lots of things I’m expecting to come full circle (what happened with daneel, fallout of spacer-earthman plot, or what is the connection between the stars like dust and currents of space?). Should I keep waiting or is it pretty irrelevant that all 3 series happen in the same universe? I am really enjoying the stories otherwise, I just want this cleared up.
In this settlement I had a inspiration from the Foundation scifishow (based on books of Isaac Asimov). Its a kind of small settlement on a barren planet and I only had these 2 pictures to build from.
I build it in Nuka-World because the terrain is closest to the show. I didnt build that many pod apartments because it was kind of boring to do the same thing over and over. Theres also 2 greenhouses which are based on the round pods in the pictures. Most of my time went to build the big building in the middle to look same'ish that in the picture. The big building isnt decorated but there are elevators to get up. I also build a clinic and a bar in the pods. I put fog condensers in the city limits because in the show there was a forcefield that protected the city.
Settlers are wearing mostly The Mercenary - pack stuff (https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20088) because it was closest to the clothing of the people in the series. And weapons they are using looked bit like Aquila mod weapon.(https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/30687)
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I have completed Prelude to Foundation, Forward the Foundation, and I am roughly 1/3rd finished with Foundation. I just started watching episode 1 of the TV Series and I am scared that it might ruin the fun experience of books for me. I am digging Jared Harris as Hari, Raych and Cleon I, of what they would look like when reading the book. But, the rest of the characters, Demerzel, Gaal, etc. just different from my perception. It's not just the characters/their skin colors/ or sex that I am worried about, but, I am more worried about how the TV show might ruin how I imagine the characters (and planets) in my mind while reading.
Should I hold off until I finish the entire book series? Thanks in advance.
I'm in the middle of the fifth chapter of the first volume, the Merchant Princes, and I'm not really feeling it. I was hoping for something more conceptual, maybe exploring determinism or sociology, but so far its mostly a political drama with a minor twist. For the record, I'm new to scifi and the stuff I've liked has been some of Le Guin's nd Ted Chiang's stuff and even Asimov's Last Question and Last Answer. So yeah, what type of story is the Foundation? Is it a political drama for the whole thing?
Edit: Alright, thanks for the comments, guys! Doesn't seem like it's my thing so I'll be dropping it
>!I really enjoyed it for the most part, was prepared for some changes from the books, was okay with Salvor Hardin and Gaal Dornick being related and time-hoppers, but am annoyed by some major philosophical changes.
- Psychohistory being so dependant on an individual's actions, rather than the flow of history leading to inevitable results
- Eto Demerzel (presumably R. Daneel Olivaw) being known to the Emperors but more importantly the 3 laws of robotics being disregarded (unless they somehow tie it to the zeroeth law in the future).
- Related to the first issue, the fact that the 4 outer kingdoms (2 in the series) should have been played off against one-another to keep the balance on a knife edge so that the Foundation could prosper. Especially point number 3, I loved how the history of the Foundation developed in the books, not because they acquired some big gun. Hopefully they don't change the second and third crises so drastically.!<
I'm seeing complaints and hate about this show that are absolutely nonsensical. One complaint is why are they bringing in psychic powers like the Jedi into a hard scifi adaptation about math, seems people are forgetting Asimov's Foundation is chock full of not only psychic people but hints of psychic robots(wut), sentient planets and so on. Psychic powers literally play an enormous central role in the plot!
Foundation was never diamond hard scifi, go watch The Martian if you want that.
Nitpicks about whether humans can even survive the spiral, artificial gravity, did the makeup department go overboard with the burn makeup to the point Emperor would die. He just has to survive until he gets his nano machines back and they repair damage that would kill someone without them. Now someone will want the technical details of the nanomachines!
I'll admit the writers are doing a poor job making this universe feel cohesive as its a schizotech setting almost, tech levels are all over the place and not well explained. But honestly this was in Foundation source material too.
These nitpicks are reminding me of pointing out zombies can't exist because they are basically perpetual motion machines, or a certain scene in GOT where gold is melted in a stew pot being impossible because gold melts at 1200F thats some HOT stew!
No speculative fiction can withstand this kind of scrutiny, its absurd.
Some people aren't even understanding whats going on in scenes but coming to complain, like saying the show is saying souls and religion is real in scenes that show a man playing religious officials for smooth brained fools.
The show absolutely has issues and problems with the writing and acting, some major. Certain plot lines its like they didn't bother to "break" the scripts which would expose inexplicable actions or motivations of characters and rewrite it.
But some people just seem to dislike or be bored by the show so have decided to complain about anything and everything to the point its grating! I'm surprised no one has pointed out the weird reptile birds Brother Dusk and Dawn were hunting wouldn't be able to fly based on their wing to body ratio!
I was ready for Apple to mangle this adaption of the Foundation, but I went ahead and purchased a subscription to Apple TV anyway, because I love Asimov's works, and I had to give this a chance. After watching though, I think most of us can agree, Goyer is butchering this story and it's been making me genuinely angry to watch. Episode 7 was enough for me. It suddenly became clear to me that I didn't need to subject myself to the unpleasant experience of watching a beloved series of novels be disrespected like this. So immediately after watching that abomination, I cancelled my subscription, and deleted the app. Abstaining from the series, and not paying Apple to continue to make this mess is the one power we actually have as consumers. I have found my peace in blissful ignorance of the rest of this train wreck. I would encourage other disappointed fans to vote with your wallets. Don't let Apple get away with this. Don't pay them to destroy the story you are so invested in. Don't engage. This will all blow over quickly if you ignore it. Maybe one day, after this flaming pile of excrement is cancelled, someone competent will try again and give us the adaption we deserve.
Welp, title says it all: I just watched Dune and it is everything I had hoped the Foundation TV series would be. Hoping Apple can do what if does best and copy some of Dune’s best features!
I came up with this analogy responding to a different thread in a different sub, but I kinda like it and I think it works to explain my feelings about the TV Series.
Imagine, if you will, a new movie coming out. It stars a character by the name of James Bond. He's a civil engineer working for the British Gov't. He has a "side kick" Quinton (whom Bond calls 'Q' for short) who is really good with technology. In the film Bond is investigating a bridge that collapsed killing dozens of people. He uses his extensive engineering knowledge and experience to run tests, conduct experiments, and uncover what went wrong. Bond discovers a plot of corruption and embezzlement. With the help of his boss Emily (Em for short) who is an expert in finance they trace the money path and figure out who was behind it all and who bribed whom in the gov't to allow a substandard bridge to be built. They end up bringing them all to justice.
Now, obviously depending on the writers, actors, and directors, this could be a nice film. I could see it be very entertaining and a worthwhile watch. The heavy focus on science and engineering could be intriguing for me and I suspect many others. But if this film gets announced and promoted as a James Bond film there are going to be a LOT of very unhappy people. People would just naturally expect a James Bond film to be about a spy.
Now obviously the film series needs to adapt. You can't have the womanizing Bond of the 60s or 70s in today's social climate. You don't have Bond sneaking into East Germany to uncover a Soviet plot like you may have back in the day. The technology changes to more modern future (rather than 80s future) stuff. The series needs to be adapted and modified and that's fine. But at the core a James Bond film should be a spy movie. If you want to make a film about a civil engineer uncovering a sandal that caused people to die, that's great! Make the movie, I'll probably watch it. But just don't call it a James Bond film and expect me to not complain.
This is how I feel about the Foundation TV Series. They've taken the names and locations and some very general features of the original series (like James and Em and Q all working for the gov't in the UK) and gone in a completely different direction (like civil engineering instead of spy craft) and I can't watch the show without the constant reminder every time a character or planet or event from the books is mentioned without thinking: "That's not what it's s
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In the novels, psychohistory is quite well defined and later expanded on in the prequels.
In the series, however, it starts out similar to the book in the first episode, but then i can’t shake the feeling that it’s getting more and more like magic than anything else.
I understand the plot point that Seldon’s math could have been incomplete and all that, but by the last episode it seems like Salvor Hardin has a magical connection to the math?!?!
I’m not sure if i follow anymore
Consider this just a rant from an Asimov fan.
The Foundation series are my favorite books ever and I have been telling people about the books since ever.. I own the whole series and it was really an adventure to get since I'm from a city in Mexico where really the reading culture isn't a thing and sci fi books are really rare. I took my time and I read a lot of Asimov online and decided to start my collection, the only book I could find was the Foundation trilogy in Spanish and that's how it started, I fell in love with the books right away and I knew I needed to have the rest, in the next few years I got the whole series from the US and SPAIN, some books are in English and some are in Spanish and that's ok with me, after reading the foundation series twice I love everything about R. Daneel Olivaw and moved on to the Robot books, I bought a couple of books on my last trip to nyc (surprised how easy it was for me to find those) and I currently own a little collection of the robot series too my favorites being Robot Dreams, Robot Visions and Caves of steel.. I also use the names Hari Seldon, Raych Seldon, Gaal Dornick and Demerzel on many of my very serious and not so serious accounts..
Now that you know where I am coming from lets get to the point, a friend of mine who is the kind of guy that consumes all "mainstream media" recently told me about the "Dune" movie and the "foundation" tv series, I have never even heard of the foundation tv series but I saw a lot of Dune ads, so I said why not and I watched Dune, to my surprise it was actually really well done and even if there were a lot of details missing I enjoyed it because it was fairly close to the book and some of the actors actually looked like I pictured them in my mind so I said to myself "Well if this is how they are doing things now I might as well give the Apple TV Foundation series a try".. And I did and lets keep in mind the tv series is called FOUNDATION.. I saw the first two episodes yesterday and well...The first one was a little confusing as it didn't start the way I would like it to start and it begins in a part of the Foundation series that I would say it is very advanced with what I presume to be the "hari seldon vault" and a female version of the great Salvor Hardin, I said to myself, ok this is a modern version they made Salvor a woman that's fine with me, moving on we see Gaal Dornick's story and Gaal is also a woman now, a young woman that solves some math problem and is sent to Tr
... keep reading on reddit ➡I think that we can all agree that the books aren't written in a way that lends itself to a conventional kind of screen adaptation. And while some may have their own opinions about how it can be done in a way that's true to the source material, I think it's at best risky in terms of potential for commercial success. A summary of the books reads far more like a history textbook than a more typical story. And while that may be what many fans like about it, it puts a true screen adaptation at risk of looking like a documentary, and that would almost certainly be doomed to failure.
So with that said, I find the heavy-handed use of artistic license warranted. They seem to have taken the premise of Foundation and a sketch of the plot, and used it as an environment to tell their own story. Through that lens, I think they're doing a nice job.
One thing I'll say that may be controversial is that I like where the Gaal-Salvor arc seems to be headed. It's been like a decade since I read the books, but I feel like there was copious hand-waving around the evolution of the people in the second foundation. The concept of mutants with psychic powers isn't foreign to this universe, and I don't recall the introduction to the concept being particularly graceful. If the idea is that these two go on to start foundation 2, I think it will be a more elegant development than how Asimov did it.
You can like the series. If this kind of sci-fi is what you're into, and you genuinely enjoy it, then great! By all means, keep watching, whatever.
But the show called Foundation is not Foundation. I'm not talking about my opinions on the characters or the CGI or even the gender swaps. I'm making the objectively true claim that the series does not follow the storyline of the Foundation books. It doesn't come close to following the storyline of the Foundation books. It's a completely different story with similar names for some of the characters and plot devices.
And that's fine. But it's not Foundation. I don't care if you like it too, or if you somehow like it more. I'm just asking that you have a little bit of respect for the books that Asimov wrote and the generations of readers who enjoyed them, and admit that what's on the television is not the Foundation.
Ive just watched the first two episodes of the series "foundation" today. I havent read the books, but as a huge the expanse fan, I really enjoyed it. You may try it out. Sadly its only for apple tv subscriber.
Hari Seldon, Salvor Hardin, Hober Mallow, Bel Riose, The Mule, Han Pritcher, Arkaday Darell, Golan Trevize, Daneel Olivaw
Perhaps we need a funeral to mourn the lose of Asimov's Foundation TV series. The TV show has written itself into a corner where any storyline is devoid of Asimov's vision.
I propose we nominate 2 January as our funeral/wake for the Foundation TV series (Isaac Asimov's birthday). With writers and producers admitting they hate Hari Seldon and their total disregard for the characters motivation, social commentary and SciFi heritage. It's a sad day that I say Asimov would not have allowed this corruption of his vision.
The family may have signed off on the rights to the TV show, but I bet they regret the deterioration of Isaac's brand. It feels like they signed off on the TV show, to cash in on his name. I hope they have some say un the future direction of the TV show, and if possible they can get Goyer removal from the production team.
Most of us can accept compromise with how the books are adapted to TV, no one is asking for 100% alignment. But making main characters egomaniac when the book presented them as pure scientist. Ignoring the books theme of social commentary and the interplay of science and religion, to mutate it into stupid magic and illogical killings.
Spending more time and budget on their "Empire and Cloned Cleon's" and less effort on the Foundation colony evolution was lazy. It makes me wonder what percentage of the budget was spent on the Terminus plot story vs the big budget Empire set pieces. But there was no interplay between the two after Seldon's ship left Trantor.
So how about a 2 January funeral?
I've heard that people used to think the series is Marxist with the concept of Psycho-history being historical materialism, and I have never read the book but the show is not quite 'Marxist' as they say. Is it really Marxist as they say?
I've only read Foundation, and planning to read the rest.
I see here as well as elsewhere that the show is diverging from the story quite a bit, so my question is, are they drawing material from other books in the Foundation and Empire series? If I see the show, will it spoil some of the other books for me?
I keep trying to find glimmers of similarity, but after 6 episodes, I've lost hope. So far diverged from the book now, it proves how producers must be happy with creating an entirely new story. Damn. Reading the trilogy again to keep the memory clean.
Last weekend I binged watched Apple's interpretation of Issac Asimov's Foundation. The story line assumes that the human race originated in a single planet (earth) and colonized multiple planets around the galaxy. There is an empire governing and maintaining the peace, but the empire it's predicted to collapse and a group of logic-driven characters is curating 'the foundation' to restart civilization after the colapse. It empowers ethnic woman and there are clear depictions of characters with diverse ethnic backgrounds.
What is appalling to me is that I can't find a single East Asian character in the first 9 episodes... East Asians have been eliminated from the face of the galaxy. Anyone had the same impression?
Thanks Beneficial-Rain4302 for encouraging us to write about the Foundation Series Investment Funds on the back of Simplicity's announcement to build rental properties and give members the first option to rent these.
The Foundation Series Balanced and Growth Funds are designed to provide investors with low-cost tax-efficient diversified investment funds. We saw that Simplicity funds have been hugely popular with Kiwi investors, so we wanted to offer similar funds to the Simplicity ones within InvestNow. Since they would not let us use their funds, we built our own.
The issuer and manager of the Funds is Implemented Investment Solutions (IIS), which is the parent business of InvestNow. Accordingly the Funds are available on InvestNow, including being available as part of the InvestNow KiwiSaver Scheme (which IIS is also the manager and issuer of).
The fees of the Funds are 0.37% per annum, and the portfolio mixes of the Foundation Series Growth and Balanced Funds are set out in the disclosure material for the funds. These mixes are broadly similar to Simplicity, as well as the other balanced and growth funds in the market.
Previously the Funds were branded as the Hunter Investments Funds, but we rebranded them to being the Foundation Series Investment Funds following the sale of the hugely successful Hunter Global Fixed Interest Fund to Harbour Asset Management. We picked the name the "Foundation Series" because we see the Funds as being the simple solid core building blocks that clients can build their portfolio on or around.
While the Funds are similar to Simplicity, there are a bunch of things we do differently - or that we don't do. Here is a quick summary of some of the differences.
- For global shares we invest tax effectively by avoiding investing in offshore funds like Vanguard's Australian unit trusts (we invest in PIE funds that invest directly in the underlying global shares). This ensures that we avoid incurring the tax leakage that the Simplicity funds have in them. Tax slippage is simply a hidden cost to investors that comes from structuring portfolios poorly. We agree with the FMA's guidance that tax slippage like this should be disclosed to investors. To us this slippage is no different than a hidden fee or cost. By our calculation there is more than 0.15% per annum tax slippage within the Simplicity Growth Fund, which should be considered just like an extra fe
So, as the title says, I just finished listening to the audiobooks for the Robots, Empire, and Foundation series'. It has taken several months because I've only been listening to them while out for my daily runs, but that's beside the point.
I have been looking to pick up physical copies of the books to display on my bookshelf, and was wondering if there were any really good sets to buy? I've looked on Amazon and found the ones with the purple and yellow covers, which are alright, and I already own Robots and Empire in that style because it didn't have an audiobook, so I wouldn't be opposed to finishing that set. I also saw the ones with the black backgrounds and different colors and designs on them. Which I do like the look of better than the purple and yellow ones, but I'm skeptical of picking those up because all the images I see have the apple tv logo plastered on the front and I'm not sure if that is just advertising on the images on Amazon or if that is actually defacing the front of each of the books, which would completely turn me off to that set.
I was also wondering if there were any other places that offer a complete set that would look really nice on a bookshelf that I haven't seen. I would also be fine if it were just a really good set for just one of the series', like just the Foundation set, and I can pick up the others elsewhere.
tl;dr I'm just trying to find if there are any good sets to get for my bookshelf
Edit: fixed "would be opposed" to "wouldn't be opposed"
