Chagatai Khanate Puns

The Ilkhanate and the Chagatai are rarely mentioned, compared to the Golden Hoard, and I wanna figure them out. What did they do, what was their government like, what was their fate? I'm looking for answers to these questions and similar ones.

I've been interested in the Mongol conflict with India during this period, and I've been reading about some of the major figures involved like Alauddin Khilji and his famous general Zafar Khan and their successful resistance to Mongol raids and occupying forces. Wikipedia has been helpful, but it lacks a more in-depth account of specific battles and campaigns. Would anybody care to offer up a description of some of these events, if indeed they are known in detail? I don't need anything exhaustive for the whole period, just examples.

A list of all the civilization flags in high resolution, so we can follow along: https://imgur.com/a/BAu0187

My “research” is pretty basic (mostly public-facing websites with some academic texts), so I urge anyone to fact check anything I’ve claimed and let me know if I’m misrepresenting anything.

So, for basic context, historical states/empires/dynasties in history didn’t have flags in the way we’d understand them. Although the royal family (and by extension, all the lands under their control) might have a royal standard, flags as a distinct and cohesive national symbol (with specific rules for proportions and colors, and meant to encompass the citizens of that state) didn’t really exist as a “thing” until the 18th or 19th centuries. A kid in Ancient Rome wouldn’t understand if you asked him to draw the flag of his country; in fact, the portrait of the Emperor would probably be the closest thing to an emblem of the state (present on buildings and coins all over). Not to mention this varies widely over the centuries and across continents. I’m oversimplifying it, but that’s basically the gist of it.

So, now diving into the flags of Age of Empires 4, from least to most historically accurate, by my measure:

The Chinese

The Chinese were the easiest to investigate—because the “Chinese” civilization here is supposed to encompass numerous dynasties and states across the centuries, the developers would have a tough time picking just one flag. So, they just grabbed some Chinese imagery and Frankenstein’d a flag together, making use of abstract symbolism.

The symbol itself is meant to be a representation of Chinese knotting, an artistic practice which was (apparently) popular during the Tang and Song dynasties in China (that is, during the Middle Ages).

As for the colors, red and gold have been imbued with plenty of meaning throughout Chinese history; generally, yellow/gold is viewed as a color of prestige and beauty (often used by historical dynasts as a royal color, such as during the Jin dynasty) and red symbolizes luck and good fortune.

So, traditional knotting + red + gold… although it’s an admirable effort, it’s still completely made up: 0/10

The Mongols

Easy too, because the flag here is also completely ahistorical. As far as I can understand, the “Mongols” in AoE4 are meant to encompass the “original” Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan, as well as its immediate suc

Guys that keeps me confusing for a while, mainly because I have heared that Mongol invasion wasn't just Mongols themselves and actually very significant part of that army was composed of Turks. It is to a point that I heard 3/4 of that army was Turk, iIdon't have source itself but it was from a reliable source.

Also other thing that confuses me is that, I believe tribe name of Genghis Khan was Tatar which was also a Turkic clan back in days.

Proper answers are very much appreciated.

I download many clips for him from YouTube history channels, like the French Revolution from Oversimplified, the Timurid Conquests from Kings and Generals, and Chinese Dynasties from Countryballs Explained. He likes watching history more than any other topic or show.

We discuss history based on the videos, with him asking me new ‘what?’ and ‘’why?’ questions based on what comes to his mind (eg. “which Mongol Khanate is your favourite? Why the Chagatai but not the Ilkhans? Why don’t they rule now?” etc.

I’m not sure what more I could do. He has no interest in reading novels, diaries, magazines etc. even if they’re for his age group. The only books he likes reading are geography books because of the maps, flags and statistics (eg. languages spoken, main religions, currency). He wouldn’t want to read textbooks and answer the comprehension questions.

Is there anything more I can do to take his development to the next level?

A few weeks ago I read a post about the collapse of the Mongols in CK3, and it occurred to me I have never attempted to play as Genghis Khan truly. So I decided to test quite a few things in this rather complex and aggressive CK3 campaign.

Lineage from Kham Khabul of the Khamag Mongol Confederation

Starting off as the son of Tumbinai Borjigin, Khabul Borjigin, I attempted to solidify the power of Buryatia and Mongolia, removing the Great Liao from rule. This character went through 88 wars in his life time, and while not moving the Mongol culture too much, pushing Tengri into the Xia area and throughout Siberia. The kingdom of Khamag Mongol was created as he did historically (Though not as a Tribal Confederation) and I fought my way to the Rus'.

The succession bounced around quite a bit across a couple builder characters like Ambaghai and Hotula, only defending in wars against me. A major portion of this playthrough was finding the right rulers and their children with good traits to build a dynasty of strong blood. This way, when Temujin finally does arrive, he would be stronger than his scripted counterpart. Before Temujin is even born, my kingdom of Khamag Mongol stretches from Buryatia to Finland, covering nearly the entirety of Russia and Tartaria.

Lineage to Emperor Temujin \"the Undefeated\" of the Mongol Empire, Genghis Khan

Before Temujin's birth, I have been building and growing stability within the Kingdom (though the size of an Empire) so that the game can flip on its head rather quickly. When Temujin is 14, I murder a brother from a different mother as per history and move on to begin warring across the planet. Nearly every second of Temujin's 44 year rule I was at war with up to 52 realms, waging seamless war with a 350,000 size army. The goal, was to reach Nubia in Africa, Frisia in northern Europe, the entirety of Scandinavia, and remove the Papacy as well as both Caliphate leaders in the east.

The Mongol Empire at its greatest state

By 1232 AD, the Empire had been solidified and organized for its proper borders and began stabilizing while

With Ubisoft recently teasing at Valhalla Year 2 and the release of multiple new expansions with it, many people seemed to have missed Jason Schreier’s message on ResetEra where he implied the next big game will have an “infinite” scope.

AC Infinite Confirmed???

While the “infinite scope” is surely just a bit cheeky, Ubisoft has been making their games bigger and bigger throughout every new iteration. Valhalla had more landmass at launch than Odyssey, and the DLC is continuing to add to that. This new second year also seems to fit with AC becoming a live-service multi-year event that will grow and expand exponentially, rather than focusing on a single city or region. The Mongolian Empire fits that perfectly.

AC China Concept Art

About a year ago I wrote this post detailing why a future game will be set in Yuan Dynasty China. I’ve previously speculated on the very next game being set in Black Plague France during the 100 Years War, which makes sense due to references to the plague in the past few games and asset reuse, plus it making sense with a few lore connections such as connecting Saint George, Templars, and the Order of the Garter while adding an extra layer to the 100 Years War. Jason Schreier has said he thinks AC Infinite is a few years out, so this could still happen. More importantly, this setting ties in well to the setting of AC Infinite, as the prevailing theory (regardless of veracity) is that the Black Plague came to Europe from the Mongols. Beyond this, in Valhalla, the Brigandine armor was actually introduced to Europeans by Mongols, and the character Ljufvina was a real-life Mongolian Princess who married a Norse Jarl to help inspire trade between the two. That’s ignoring the elephant in the room of the concept art and multiple leaks and rumors re

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagatai_Khanate#Transition_to_Moghulistan_(1338%E2%80%931363)

At EU4 starting date, Chagatai should be called Moghulistan.

We can start by placing things into context.

To do so, we need to understand the political situations in the Mongolian Empire and the Delhi Sultanate during the period between the death of Chinggis Khan and the last major Mongolian invasions into India. This period spans the tenure of two dynasties at Delhi, the Mamlukes and the Khaljis. But let's start with the Mongols first.

BACKGROUND

MONGOL EMPIRE :

When the Great Khan Chinggis or Genghis, died in 1227 CE, he left behind an Empire that spanned the modern day regions of Mongolia, to the Hindu Kush and North eastern Persia. He was succeeded by his son Ogodei in 1229, after an assembly (quraltai) of the tribes. And it wouldn't be until 1241, that they first attempted an incursion into the territory of the Delhi Sultanate. During the reign of Ogodei we see 3 major events that not only built up pressure on the border between the Sultanate and the Mongol Empire but also resulted in the first confrontation between a Sultanate force and the Mongols:

1. In 1235, after the first quraltai roughly 20,000 Mongol troops advanced on the Qarlughids, a small Turkic tribe which controlled Ghazni at the time. The Mongols advanced into Kabul, Ghazna and Zabulistan and the ruling Qarlughid, Hasan Qarlugh was forced to accept a Mongol resident at his court.

2. In 1235, after the second quraltai in the same year, Mongols moved further troops into the region. They sacked Kashmir and attacked the Qarlughids a second time although they were their tributaries now. Further, they invested Uchch and conquered territory on the very fringes of the Sultanate. In 1241, attacked Lahore and took the city while Bahram Shah was the Sultan of Delhi, whose response was very disappointing for the army and the nobles.

3. In 1245-6, the Mongols attacked a third time, taking Multan from Hassan Qarlugh who had taken the province during the lull in hostilities. The Mongols once again invested Uchch but this time a force of the Sultanate. This force was commanded in part by Ghiyasuddin Balban (more on him later)

What followed after the death of Ogodei in 1241, however was a period of turbulence, intrigue, uncertainty and fratricidal conflict within the Empire until finally in 1260, the Empire broke into civil war. The fragmentation of the Empire was only resolved in 1304, when the Western Khanates namely the Ilkhanate, the Golden Horde and the Chagatai Khanate, accepted the nominal supremacy of the Yuan dynasty

In Chinese history, dynasties have been restored multiple times and the majority of founders of dynasties were nobility in the dynasty before them, very rarely was any one of them not a noble. They had a direct chain of legitimacy as nobility and were almost never commoners who directly became emperor. The peasants, bakers, officers who became emperors were almost always made into nobility by a previous dynasty before their accession. Dynasties were founded by the same families centuries apart from each other. The Qin and Zhou were both nobles of the Zhang dynasty and then the Qin and Shang royal families were nobles in the Zhou dynasty.

Xia dynasty claimed cadet branches of the Xia dynasty

>Qi (state in Henan not the one in Shandong) 16th century BCE–445 BCE

>Yue (state) 2032 BC (legendary fouding - 333 or 222 BC

>Minyue 334 BC–111 BC

Shang dynasty 1600 BC - 1046 BC cadet branch of the Shang dynasty

>Song (state) 1046 BC - 286 BC (ruled by Shang dynasty royals)

Zhou dynasty 1046 BC – 256 BC cadet branches of the Zhou dynasty

>Wu (state) 12th century BC–473 BC

>Jin (state) 11th century BC–376 BC

>Han (state) 403 BC–230 BC

>Wei (state) 403 BC–225 BC

>Yan (state) 11th century BC–222 BC

>Sui dynasty (581 AD–618 AD) (The Sui dynasty emperors from the Yang family of Hongnong claimed direct paternal descent from the Zhou dynasty royal family via the Dukes of the Jin state (11th century BC–376 BC). The first Sui emperor held the title of Duke in the dynasty before his and overthrew them)

Liu Bang who founded the Han dynasty was originally a peasant but he was granted the title of King during the Eighteen Kingdoms period (206 BC - 202 BC) when rebels led by the former Chu noble Xiang Yu overthrow the Qin dynasty in 20C BC. Xiang Yu was from a noble family of the Chu state, and he restored a former Chu royal to power as Emperor Huai II of Chu and he divided the Qin dynasty into 18 fiefs, each ruled by a king/prince who paid nominal allegiance to Emperor Huai II. The 18 kingdoms were assigned to a mix of former nobles of the Zhou feudal states before Qin conquered them, and some new peasants and ordinary commoner warlords who took part in the rebellion against the Qin who were granted the noble title of king/prince by Xiang Yu. Liu Bang, as one of the participants in the rebellion was granted the title King of Han and assigned to the Han fief. Sima Ang was appointed as king of Yin. Liu Bang then fought against Xia

I was exploring Eleutheria, and was sent to get a port report of Caduceus by the Bespectacled Official, he and the rest of the Rose-Without-Thorns gives me Dai Li vibes by the way, and I stumbled upon The Chagatai Expansion in The Belt of Midnight. The place just oozes atmosphere by the way, with the abandoned Khanate buildings shrouded in darkness, with only Curators and their eggs as inhabitants.

I wanted to learn more, so I went online to search. There's literally no info on this place on any wiki or site. Does anyone know what happened there and how it came to be claimed by the Belt of Midnight? Any info on the place would be appreciated, the Khanate has stolen my heart with it's aesthetic and vibe and I'd like to consume as much info on them as possible. Thanks!

The Suldus were a clan of the Mongol Taichiud tribe.

Sorqan Shira and Chilaun were both from the Suldus clan and were generals of Genghis Khan.

The Chobanids (1338–1357) were a Mongol dynasty that ruled Iranian Azerbaijan from Tabriz after the fall of the Ilkhanate. This family was founded by Amir Chupan of the Suldus.

Buyan Suldus was from the Suldus clan and he was chief Amir of the Chagatai Khanate in Central Asia in 1359-60.

The Han Chinese noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (1335 December 25－1381 October 7), the senior agnatic male line paternal descendant of Confucius, married a Mongol woman from the Suldus clan (孫都思氏). She was the daughter of the Yuan dynasty Jointly Manager of Affairs with the Secretariat-Chancellery official (平章政事 Tongping Zhangshi) of Liaoyang province. She is recorded in the Kong family genealogy 《孔氏大宗支譜》 Her surname was often truncated in texts from sūndōusī (孫都思) to just sūn 孫 which hid her Mongol ethnicity.

She was his second wife after his first Han wife surnamed Dong (董氏) died. Dong gave birth to his heir Kong Ne (1358 March 1 - 1400 October 3) who inherited his title of Duke Yansheng at the beginning of the Ming dynasty.

Hi all! After the Romanians (https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/nwhfcy/my_civ_concept_series_18_the_romanians/), next civ will be the Afghans, the fifth Asian civ in my concepts. From what I learnt, this arid area has given a grand influence to many of the existing civs in AoE2. So, let’s get started!

Historically called Pashtun, Afghans were settled in a landlocked region (in the Antiquity Bactria) that would meet invasions from very different and varied Empires and dynasties. The strategic importance of this land has much to do with trade routes, since it was a mandatory stop of the Silk Road. It also communicated India and the Eurasian Steppe. In spite of its closeness to India, the Pashto language is derived from the family of Iranian languages.

In the beginning of the Middle Ages, the White Huns (Bukhara AoE2 HD) ruled Afghanistan, until in the 6th century, they were defeated by the Indian Kings Yasodharman and Narasimhagupta while trying to attack India. Until the 9th Century the Kabul Shahis took control of the Kabul Valley. At that time, the first mixing of the Pashtun people with Turkic people happened. When Shahis began their rule, they were Buddhists, but after 870, the land worshipped Hindu gods. All of this changed with the uprising of Muslim powers, which expanded throughout Asia. The Ghaznavids defeated the Hindu Shahi army of Kabul and Gandhara and established a new rule in Afghanistan (977).

Under the rule of the Ghaznavids, its capital (not Kabul, but Ghazni) became a cultural center. Mahmud of Ghazni also made forays into India, and the Empire ruled over most of Iran, Transoxiana and the northwest of India as far as the Indian Ocean. But in 1040, Ghaznavids lost most of Iran to the Seljuk (Chaghri and Tughrul), even though they were the first Muslim army to use War Elephants. The Ghaznavid dynasty ruled until 1151, when a Ghurid prince, Ala al-Din Husayn, burned the city of Ghazna and established the Ghurid dynasty. This rule didn’t last long, because first the Khwarezmid Persian Empire in 1215, and shortly after, in 1219, the Mongols, conquered all the lands owned by them.

After the Mongol invasion, both people and lands were divided. Many Pashtun mixed with the Pashtun ancestral Khalji dynasty. The Ilkhanate (former Persian land that became part of the Mongol Empire), took most of the west. The Qarlughids were the only Muslim state re

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

Alot of great jokes get posted here! However just because you have a joke, doesn't mean it's a dad joke.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NSFW, THIS IS ABOUT LONG JOKES, BLONDE JOKES, SEXUAL JOKES, KNOCK KNOCK JOKES, POLITICAL JOKES, ETC BEING POSTED IN A DAD JOKE SUB

Try telling these sexual jokes that get posted here, to your kid and see how your spouse likes it.. if that goes well, Try telling one of your friends kid about your sex life being like Coca cola, first it was normal, than light and now zero , and see if the parents are OK with you telling their kid the "dad joke"

I'm not even referencing the NSFW, I'm saying Dad jokes are corny, and sometimes painful, not sexual

So check out r/jokes for all types of jokes

r/unclejokes for dirty jokes

r/3amjokes for real weird and alot of OC

r/cleandadjokes If your really sick of seeing not dad jokes in r/dadjokes

Punchline !

Edit: this is not a post about NSFW , This is about jokes, knock knock jokes, blonde jokes, political jokes etc being posted in a dad joke sub

Edit 2: don't touch the thermostat

I guess the concept didn't work

Do your worst!

How the hell am I suppose to know when it’s raining in Sweden?

Ants don’t even have the concept fathers, let alone a good dad joke. Keep r/ants out of my r/dadjokes.

But no, seriously. I understand rule 7 is great to have intelligent discussion, but sometimes it feels like 1 in 10 posts here is someone getting upset about the jokes on this sub. Let the mods deal with it, they regulate the sub.

Mathematical puns makes me number

They were cooked in Greece.

I'm surprised it hasn't decade.

Recently on Twitter, the art director of Valhalla said “AC: Persia is inevitable, do not worry.” which of course set the community ablaze with questions of when we will see AC Persia, and where it could be set. Today, I seek to explore a few major points in the history of Persia and look at where AC could set it. I did already explore this region in a post but instead focused on ancient times, of Sargon of Akkad, Nebuchadnezzar, and Alexander the Great, so today will be settings solely after the end of the ancient era. Please be aware that the Abbasid Caliphate section has major spoilers for Valhalla.I’d also like to take a moment to discuss the name Persia. It came from the Greek name Persis which was one province of the Achaemenid Empire. The name for the country has changed drastically over the rise and fall of different dynasties and empires that controlled modern-day Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, and Saudia Arabia (among many more countries). Most foreign powers continued to call Iran and its holdings Persia until 1935 when Reza Shah Pahlavi formally asked for the country to be known internationally as Iran.

Fall of Sasanian Empire

Rome’s long-lasting enemy, the Parthian Empire collapsed into itself in the early 3rd century due to hundreds of years with Rome and internal strife, making way for the domination of a young house to rule, forming the Sasanian Empire, sometimes also known as the Neo-Persian Empire. It was the longest-lasting dynasty in Persian history, lasting nearly 400 years, and was the last empire before Islamisation.

The decline of the Sasanian began around 602 with rebellion and seizure of the city of Edessa, leading to war between the Byzantines and Sasanians. The war started well for Persians, as a revolt in Constantinople over ascendency of the throne began soon after, allowing for the Sasanians to take much of Armenia and Syria, capturing important cities like Antioch and Jerusalem. By 610 the Sasanians had moved into much of Anatolia taking key cities around the Black Sea and controlling the Bosphorus. Between 610 and 622 more cities and areas fell around Anatolia, including Egypt and Rhodes, with the Sasanians threatening a naval invasion of Constantin

Now that I listen to albums, I hardly ever leave the house.

He lost May

Two muffins are in an oven, one muffin looks at the other and says "is it just me, or is it hot in here?"

Then the other muffin says "AHH, TALKING MUFFIN!!!"

Don't you know a good pun is its own reword?

We can start by placing things into context.

To do so, we need to understand the political situations in the Mongolian Empire and the Delhi Sultanate during the period between the death of Chinggis Khan and the last major Mongolian invasions into India. This period spans the tenure of two dynasties at Delhi, the Mamlukes and the Khaljis. But let's start with the Mongols first.

BACKGROUND

MONGOL EMPIRE :

When the Great Khan Chinggis or Genghis, died in 1227 CE, he left behind an Empire that spanned the modern day regions of Mongolia, to the Hindu Kush and North eastern Persia. He was succeeded by his son Ogodei in 1229, after an assembly (quraltai) of the tribes. And it wouldn't be until 1241, that they first attempted an incursion into the territory of the Delhi Sultanate. During the reign of Ogodei we see 3 major events that not only built up pressure on the border between the Sultanate and the Mongol Empire but also resulted in the first confrontation between a Sultanate force and the Mongols:

1. In 1235, after the first quraltai roughly 20,000 Mongol troops advanced on the Qarlughids, a small Turkic tribe which controlled Ghazni at the time. The Mongols advanced into Kabul, Ghazna and Zabulistan and the ruling Qarlughid, Hasan Qarlugh was forced to accept a Mongol resident at his court.

2. In 1235, after the second quraltai in the same year, Mongols moved further troops into the region. They sacked Kashmir and attacked the Qarlughids a second time although they were their tributaries now. Further, they invested Uchch and conquered territory on the very fringes of the Sultanate. In 1241, attacked Lahore and took the city while Bahram Shah was the Sultan of Delhi, whose response was very disappointing for the army and the nobles.

3. In 1245-6, the Mongols attacked a third time, taking Multan from Hassan Qarlugh who had taken the province during the lull in hostilities. The Mongols once again invested Uchch but this time a force of the Sultanate. This force was commanded in part by Ghiyasuddin Balban (more on him later)

What followed after the death of Ogodei in 1241, however was a period of turbulence, intrigue, uncertainty and fratricidal conflict within the Empire until finally in 1260, the Empire broke into civil war. The fragmentation of the Empire was only resolved in 1304, when the Western Khanates namely the Ilkhanate, the Golden Horde and the Chagatai Khanate, accepted the nominal supremacy of the Yuan dynasty