Hello.
So you can find the english version of the Catechism in several places, like here , here and there
Well, first of all, only the last one has the very very last chapter "Work of mercy" at the bottom while the first two don't have it for whatever reason...Have they added it themselves from another tongue and the english version don't have it ? PS: From what I can see, the redaction is very different in the english version, which makes me believe that it was added by the website and that this chapter "Work of mercy" is not included in the english version of the Catechism...Moreover, when seeing the table of content of the kindle edition of the english Catechism "Work of mercy" is not in the table.
Anyway, here is the french version, here or there
I'll base my analysis on the first french link.
First of all, you can see that the chronological order of the catechism is different between the English version and the French version, but the structural order is the same.
When you compare the two lists attentively, you can see that the french version has more chapters than the English version.
Under the chapter of The Apostle’s Creed/Le symbole des Apôtres ou Credo, it doesn't seem that the french version has more chapters than the english version
Under the chapter of Prayer/La prière, the french version has one more chapter than the english version
Under the chapter of On the Commandments of God and of the Church/Les commandements de Dieu et de l’Église, the french version has one more chapters (with two points) than the english version
- [Chapter: Les devoirs particuliers de chaque état et les conseils évangéliques./ The particular duties of each state
I’ve seen both Chatechisms advocates for by traditionalists. Which one is superior? What are the key differences between the two?
28 Q. Is the reading of the Bible necessary to all Christians?
A. The reading of the Bible is not necessary to all Christians since they are instructed by the Church; however its reading is very useful and recommended to all.
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church’s interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
About the Cathechism from EWTN:
The Catechism of the Council of Trent was directed to all priests. The recently released Catechism of the Catholic Church was directed to all bishops. The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X is that pope's partial realization of a simple, plain, brief, popular Catechism for uniform use throughout the whole world. In other words it is directed to the layman. It was used in the ecclesiastical province of Rome and for some years in other parts of Italy. It was not, however, prescribed for use throughout the universal church.
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May this edition of Saint Pius X's Catechism help priests, teachers and parents to impart the knowledge a
... keep reading on reddit ➡I have wondered if the FSSP is cultish just like the SSPX. Are the traditional Catholic communities in the FSSP just as toxic as the traditional Catholic communities in the SSPX?
I posted originally that thread in /r/catholicism, but a member there asked me to post here too, because he is afraid to be censured there. So I will post here to.
I good amount of traditionalists rejects the Second Vatican Council, specially Lumen gentium, on the grounds of the teachings of Pius X. I don't want to enter in the modernist controversy, but I read the Catechism of St. Pius X (some parts concerning my doubts, to say the true), and I want to start a discussion about, because I didn't see incoherence between the catechism and Lumen gentium.
About the understanding broader of the dogma Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Lumen gentium says:
"Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel."
In other way, the catechism of St. Pius says:
"27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church? A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
28 Q. How, then, were the Patriarchs of old, the Prophets, and the other just men of the Old Testament, saved? A. The just of the Old Testament were saved in virtue of the faith they had in Christ to come, by means of which they spiritually belonged to the Church.
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation"
I see no contradiction, since St. Pius X recognized that there is a invisible Church composed also of non noninal christian.
Other polemic: Lumen gentium say that muslims recognize the same God of the Christians
... keep reading on reddit ➡I was wondering if we would be able to fulfill our Sunday obligation at a SSPX ( Society of Saint Pius the X) Chapel?
There are a lot of times where the masses at the SSPX chapel are at more convenient times than at the parish I usually attend.
I also have some friends who attend the SSPX and would like to spend time with them on Sundays.
Can I meet my Sunday Obligation at an SSPX ( Society of Saint Pius the X) Chapel? If so, would I be able to commune and go to confession.
I have asked this question before in confession but due to time constraints have never really gotten a clear answer.
Thanks in advance for the guidance.
Glorious St. Joseph,
model of all those who are devoted to labour,
obtain for me the grace to work conscientiously,
putting the call of duty above my many sins;
to work with thankfulness and joy,
considering it an honour to employ and develop,
by means of labour,
the gifts received from God;
to work with order,
peace, prudence and patience,
never surrendering to weariness or difficulties;
to work, above all, with purity of intention,
and with detachment from self,
having always death before my eyes
and the account which I must render of time lost,
of talents wasted,
of good omitted,
of vain complacency in success
so fatal to the work of God.
All for Jesus,
all for Mary,
all after thy example,
O Patriarch Joseph.
Such shall be my motto in life and death.
Religion relies solely on the donations of the faithful. So with this being said, does the Society of Saint Pius X not have a lot of money?
The Society preaches to it's faithful to not use birth control, telling them that they will go to hell for doing so. Therefore, many traditional Catholics end up having more kids than they can afford, ending up in poverty. Thus the faithful are unable to tithe to their Society chapels or give very little.
So this is why I think the Society doesn't have a lot of money. It's just a logical assumption. Does anyone know for sure if the Society is poor with very little money?
If the cover up couldn't be anymore obvious.
Recently from an earlier post I've seen some confusion on what exactly we pray for when we say "Lead us not into Temptation" so I thought I would share with you this excerpt from the Tridentine Catechism of Pope Pius V. I hope this help whoever needs it. God bless.
"Lead us not into Temptation"
We are said to be led into temptation when we yield to temptations. Now this happens in two ways. First, we are led into temptation when, yielding to suggestion, we rush into that evil to which some one tempts us. No one is thus led into temptation by God; for to no one is God the author of sin, nay, He hates all who work iniquity; and accordingly we also read in St. James: Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted of God; for God is not a tempter of evils.
Secondly, we are said to be led into temptation by him who, although he himself does not tempt us nor cooperate in tempting us, yet is said to tempt because he does not prevent us from being tempted or from being overcome by temptations when he is able to prevent these things. In this manner God, indeed, suffers the good and the pious to be tempted, but does not leave them unsupported by His grace. Sometimes, however, we fall, being left to ourselves by the just and secret judgment of God, in punishment of our sins.
God is also said to lead us into temptation when we abuse, to our destruction, His blessings, which He has given us as a means of salvation; when, like the prodigal son, we squander our Father's substance, living riotously and yielding to our evil desires. In such a case we can say what the Apostle has said of the law: The commandment that was ordained to life, the same was found to be unto death to me.
Of this an opportune example is Jerusalem, as we learn from Ezechiel. God had so enriched that city with every sort of embellishment, that He said of it by the mouth of the Prophet: Thou wast perfect through my beauty, which I had put upon thee. Yet Jerusalem, favoured with such an abundance of divine gifts, was so far from showing gratitude to God, from whom she had received and was still receiving so many favours, was so far from making use of those heavenly gifts for the attainment of her own happiness, the end for which she had received them, that having cast away the hope and idea of deriving spiritual profit from them, she, most ungrateful to God her Father, was content to enjoy her present abundance with a luxury and riotousness which Ezechiel describes at considerable leng
... keep reading on reddit ➡https://amp.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article242572821.html?__twitter_impression=true
The Kansas City Star is essentially Kansas' biggest news source. I wouldn't be surprised if this news about the SSPX makes headlines in all major American news outlets, such as ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc.
I personally think the SSPX is about to go through some hard financial times if this goes to court, possibly bankrupting them. Though I'm sure the die hard followers will say that the devil is attacking the SSPX.
I hope justice is served.
With the sex scandals being exposed about the Society of Saint Pius X, the Society might be facing hefty court fees, depending on how deep the cover ups go and how many there are.
Keep in mind that 20 dioceses in the mainstream Catholic Church have gone bankrupt due to their sex scandals. The court fees for these 20 dioceses have an estimated total of $4,000,000,000.
With the Society being fairly small in size in comparison to the mainstream Catholic Church, I don't think the Society will have funds for court cases. So I began to wonder if we are about to witness the downfall of the Society of Saint Pius X.
There is an article from Church Militant, a traditional Catholic lay organization, called "Spotlight -- SSPX: "Sympathetic to Perverts".
I read it and it sounds convincing with the evidence it supports, especially with what Jassy Jacas had to say. The Society of Saint Pius X even said in a public response about the accusation the following, "The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees."
This statement tells me that the SSPX is admitting that they have had cases of abuse, presumably sexual abuse of children.
If any of this is true, then this would make the SSPX very hypocritical because such behavior is no different than the mainstream Catholic Church, which the SSPX likes to criticize.
Today, August 21st, is the feast of Pope Saint Pius X, “the Hammer of the Modernists”: Venetian peasant, Archpriest of Salzano, Bishop of Mantua, Cardinal-Patriarch of Venice, commissioner of the Code of Canon Law, author of 16 encyclicals, and wonderworker—who died on this day in 1914.
Pope St Pius X, pray for us!
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Religion relies solely on the donations of the faithful. So with this being said, does the Society of Saint Pius X not have a lot of money?
The Society preaches to it's faithful to not use birth control, telling them that they will go to hell for doing so. Therefore, many traditional Catholics end up having more kids than they can afford, ending up in poverty. Thus the faithful are unable to tithe to their Society chapels or give very little.
So this is why I think the Society doesn't have a lot of money. It's just a logical assumption. Does anyone know for sure if the Society is poor with very little money?
With the sex scandals being exposed about the Society of Saint Pius X, the Society might be facing hefty court fees, depending on how deep the cover ups go and how many there are.
Keep in mind that 20 dioceses in the mainstream Catholic Church have gone bankrupt due to their sex scandals. The court fees for these 20 dioceses have an estimated total $4,000,000,000.
With the Society being fairly small in size in comparison to the mainstream Catholic Church, I don't think the Society will have funds for court cases. So I began to wonder if we are about to witness the downfall of the Society of Saint Pius X.
https://amp.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article242572821.html?__twitter_impression=true
The Kansas City Star is essentially Kansas' biggest news source. I wouldn't be surprised if this news about the SSPX makes headlines in all major American news outlets, such as ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc.
I personally think the SSPX is about to go through some hard financial times if this goes to court, possibly bankrupting them. Though I'm sure the die hard followers will say that the devil is attacking the SSPX.
I hope justice is served.
There is an article from Church Militant, a traditional Catholic lay organization, called "Spotlight -- SSPX: "Sympathetic to Perverts".
I read it and it sounds convincing with the evidence it supports, especially with what Jassy Jacas had to say. The Society of Saint Pius X even said in a public response about the accusation the following, "The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees."
This statement tells me that the SSPX is admitting that they have had cases of abuse, presumably sexual abuse of children.
If any of this is true, then this would make the SSPX very hypocritical because such behavior is no different than the mainstream Catholic Church, which the SSPX likes to criticize.
