I know women weren't considered to have professions to the same degree as men and were socially 'attached' to either their husbands or fathers. But at the same time I don't know anyone with the word "daughter" in their last name like "Johnsdaughter" or something, though I believe Iceland/Scandinavia does this with a "-dottir" suffix. So I wondered if there was a disparity in the naming conventions by gender.
Someone definitely has to explain why our surname is Dickinson.
Who were related to people from Alabama.
Have you ever thought about the fact that you descended from ancestors who did a particular job? Does it mean anything to you?
All name examples given above sounds like they're coming from agrarian societies (baker, tailor, shepherd). But why did certain profession become a surname (like the examples given above), but certain profession didn't (there is no John Soldier, Robert Actor, Michael Jester)?
And was there any similar occupational naming convention outside Europe?
Also why don't we see "new" pattern of naming which is more fitting in industrial societies? E.g. there is no one named "John Labor", "Francis Designer", or "Stanley Engineer".
Or, at least I don't think it is. I don't remember anyone ever being called Cobbler.
Title says everything. What will be next, Ayaka Storm?
The original Burst name was Manyou no Ittou. Has no sense to suddenly name something to English when everything else is named in Japanese.
EDIT: Thank you u/chouginga_hentai, u/darkALYE and u/KaliumNa to point this out.
When translating "Manyou no Ittou" to english, the translation could be any of these:
- Blade of Ten Thousand Leaves
- Ten Thousand Leaves' Slash
- Slash of Ten Thousand Leaves
However, by some weird reason, the English team decided to change it to "Kazuha Slash".
u/darkALYE mentioned that this is a pun due Manyou no Ittou's japanese kanjis being ไธ่ใฎไธๅ (Manyou no Ittou), because Kazuha in kanji is also written as ไธ่, but can be read either as Kazuha or as Manyou. "no Ittou" would been translated as "Slash", so that's why Mihoyo translated it as Kazuha Slash.
However, since all other names (Elemental Skill, Skill Effect, and Plunge effect names) are kept in Japanese, it is not logical at all to name the Elemental Burst as "Kazuha slash", so that's why I said that feels unprofessional to keep the japanese name on everything else, but not the Burst name, which is the Special Move of the character and the most iconic technique.
And regarding "Kaedehara Kazuha", I understand why is his surname kept, however, on the Team List it should been displayed just as "Kazuha", the same with Kamisato Ayaka once she is also released, mainly because seeing there the surname and name doesn't look good at all, the font turns very tiny, even show just Kaedehara alone could been a good choice.
Iโm from Canada but my boyfriend is French, and he can often guess where someone is from based on their last name. I think this is super cool and would love to hear some tips so I can keep up with him!
For instance, he once mentioned something like surnames ending in โ-escuโ and some others are indicative of Romanian ancestry. I could be recalling that incorrectly, but stuff like that I find very cool and I would love to hear some from your country! Please donโt hesitate to say obvious ones, too. :)
I am well aware that the British royal family does not have a surname, and I have recently found out that the Japanese imperial family does not have a surname either. Surnames are a very modern thing in Japan, created during the 19th century, and the people got creative and made up their own surnames. And when they did, they put the surname first, given name last. Hmmm... I wonder if the name order is based on Japanese grammar. Japanese is a left-branching language, so like other left-branching languages such as Korean and Chinese, it makes sense to put the surname before the given name? Hungarian is an SOV, left-branching language, and Hungarians put the surnames before the given name.
I mean, English is a right-branching language, and if you take a look at how surnames formed in England, then you'll see that it actually makes sense to make the surname come after the given name, grammatically speaking.
Tom Baker might have been the local baker, and Mary Baker was his wife. Their son would be John Baker, and he would inherit the family business and house.
Daniel MacDonald. Mac means son of in Scottish and Irish Gaelic. Daniel son of Donald.
It is interesting to note that European surnames started with the common people, while Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese surnames started with the aristocracy. Furthermore, spellings were non-standardized in Europe, and the number of Sinitic surnames you get depends on the finite number of characters. Even with the Simplified Chinese reform, some Chinese families might choose the simplified version as their official surname, while other Chinese families might actually choose the traditional version. So, when everything is written in all Latin letters, you get a ton of European surnames with various spellings and in various languages, with similar meanings, while you get a handful of Sinitic surnames. Is ๆ a Korean, Chinese or Vietnamese surname? God knows! We only know that it is Sinitic, because it is a Chinese character. Of course, Lรฝ is distinctively Vietnamese; Rhee is distinctively Korean; and Lee and Li may be Korean or Chinese. In Chinese characters, ้ is common among ethnic Koreans, but ethnic Chinese people can also have that as a surname; and ้ฎ would be very common among ethnic Viets, but not really exclusive to them either.
In the second round of this past NFL draft, I noticed that three players whose surname began with O were drafted in a span of five picks. I thought that was a strange coincidence. But it inspired me to check out this page: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/.
Eyeballing it, it seemed that quite a large percentage of the players were active in the league. I decided to graph it out.
Roster sizes have remained the same since 2011, so here's the graph of the number of active players whose surname starts with O, for every year since then. That is to say, there were 27 active O-named players in the league in 2011. And there were 48 in the league in 2020. A 78% jump, and I have no idea why.
https://imgur.com/a/l8NQ0D5
This data, of course, is just as useless as that neck size to passing yards graph, but at least this data is real.
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I (44f) was in a toxic relationship. My ex "Joe" (49m) met me when I was 15 and we started dating when I was 18. My mom was against the relationship and I moved in with at 19 because I thought that since she was never married she didn't know what she was talking about. I won't go into more details but eventually I wised up, reconciled with my mom, and moved away. Not that Joe made it easy.
I later met my other ex "Eric" (45m) and I told him about Joe and said that he might reach out to him. I warned him that Joe was a liar and just a terrible person. Fast forward to me being 7 months pregnant with our son "AJ" (20m). This was my first pregnancy and I was very nervous because it wasn't planned. I was worried that Eric would leave me after the baby was born and constantly asked him to reassure me that no matter what happened he'd still be here. Eric always did until one day he didn't and I started noticing that he was becoming distant.
Eventually he told me that Joe reached out to him and showed him pictures of him engaging in "adult acts" with a woman and said that it was me and that he was my baby's father. You can't identify who the woman is so Eric brushed it off at first but then he thought about how I was always getting him to promise me that no matter what happened he would never leave me, and now he had doubt. I told him the reasons why I needed to hear him say he'd stay, reminded him how crazy Joe was and even got others to back up my story, and told him that I don't even want to talk to Joe let alone be near him.
Eric said that he understood but, to ease his mind, he wanted a DNA test. I was upset and very insulted and asked what if I ever did anything to make him believe that I was a cheater. Eric admitted that I never gave him a reason so I said that there would be no test. We got into a fight and Eric said that he refused to sign the BC until a DNA test was done. I was hurt and moved out. I didn't talk to him and gave birth with my mom by my side. We took the test and Eric was the father, he tried to apologize but I didn't want to hear it. I would never deny access to our son but I felt like he wasn't reliable so I gave our son my surname so that incase Eric left him then my son wouldn't have to deal with his own name being a reminder of the father who might abandon him.
Now that AJ is a legal adult he said he was interested in taking Eric's surname and I was fine with that but he asked me why he never had his dad's name i
... keep reading on reddit โกNot a massively serious one here, just a short rant about passive aggressive notes and texts.
I'm 40+2 (come on baby!!) and am receiving the inevitable daily/hourly messages from both sides of grandparents essentially asking whether we've had the baby yet (yes because of course that's the sort of thing we'd just forget to mention... also we texted you back 45 minutes ago and no we haven't had it since then).
The actual rant is about how MIL keeps tactfully removing my surname when she refers to our baby - we don't know if it's a girl or a boy and they get regularly referred to as 'baby OPSurname-SOSurname' as they will have both our names double barrelled (the names go well together and are both short so that's not the issue). Whenever MIL texts she always drops my surname from it and it's so obvious she does it. I always respond politely and just reinclude my surname.. she still doesn't seem to get the point.
She dropped round a disgusting 40+ year old baby towel for us yesterday (as a wonderful thoughtful gift) along with a note, again referring to our baby as 'baby SOSurname'.
I'm not losing sleep over this as I find it almost amusing at this point and baby will be registered with the double barrelled surname regardless so it's sort of a moot point. I just wish I knew what was in her head and why she does it, it's clearly not accidental. I don't think she's brave enough to actually bring it up of she has an issue either (see my last post for spinal activity).
Iโm interested to know peoples opinions on surnames as first names. They seem to get a lot of hate on here and often called trendy, but they have a huge history in American culture, particularly southern culture. Especially women passing on their maiden names or other family names.
I personally grew up surrounded by surnames as firsts and never thought anything of it, until I joined this sub. I have always thought it was such a cool and meaningful tradition, and I love names that have an interesting history behind them. But honestly it sucks to see a part of your culture that you love being bashed all the time. Or maybe Iโm just reading too much into a few comments?
So, what are your thoughts on surnames as firsts? If you hate them, why? Do you hate all surnames or just certain ones in particular?
Ones that are too out there like Whitman, Collier, Montgomery, etc?
Just sick of seeing the same names over and over? Like Jackson, Blakely, Collins, etc?
Do you consider any of them usable? Names that are somewhat established but not overused like Lawrence, Ellis, Bennett, etc? Or names that have already become well established like Tyler, Morgan, Blake?
I mean I get not liking them all, there are many in particular that I donโt like. Iโm just referring to the general outlook on them as a whole. Whether you like them, hate them, or are indifferent.
Whatever your take is, Iโm interested to hear it!
Just curious. I donโt have a surname; my name is in the form [given name] [child of] [fatherโs name], and I publish as [given name] [fatherโs name]. What do other people do?
Edit 1: For those asking โhow could someone not have a surnameโ, I gave a few examples in a comment here, and other commenters have given examples from other cultures as well!
Edit 2: Iโm aware of the options available and of the great thing thatโs ORCID โ was just curious what other people do :)
Just curious, since we see so many different languages. I know not all names have a meaning/can be translated but Iโm sure some can.
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Something that is an uncommon word with a specific meaning, for example:
Kismet - destiny or fate
Overmorrow - the day after tomorrow
Doesn't have to be an English word either!
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