This will be part rant, but I've watched through all YouTube videos I could find on this subject and I'm still not clear.
The thing in common is that most say ś and ć are "softer" than their counterparts. There are also notes that ś is pronounced making a smile while sz is pronounced making a duck face. However on both cases when I close my eyes and hear the videos do either, even when in quick succession from one to the other, I don't hear any difference.
When I've brought this up with native speakers in person or over video chat, they swear there's a distinct difference that they can hear but they've been unable to help me hear it.
I'm skeptical that there is a difference in real life as Polish speakers are fast talkers (relative to English speakers), and in my experience with English and Spanish fast talking tends to average out sounds. Why would Polish be different? Fast talking and enunciating everything perfectly sounds super weird.
For these sounds to be distinct letters in the language they had to be more distinct in sound historically speaking. Were these letters more distinct in history? If so, how?
End of rant. What is exactly happening differently in the mouth that could be discernable by a listener between ć and cz, ś and sz? Thanks.
Edit: with a native speaker, I came up with the theory that ś is like saying 'sheet' in English but not voicing the 'eet' sound. Like start as if you're going to voice the 'ee' but cut it off early. The sz is like saying 'shook' in English, but not voicing the 'ook'. How does this sound?
I’m really confused. I thought both are pronounced like the english “ch”, but it seems not. How are they different?
I'm native Serbian speaker and I can't pronounce Č and Ć when I do they sound completely the same to me, and I don't know how to learn to pronounce them, and because I can't pronounce them differently I always confuse them and I don't know in which word goes Č and in which Ć when I'm writing something, and some people used to make fun of me because of that but I really want to learn I just don't know how and where to start, and how to remember which word uses which one of the two letters.
Ja sam iz Srbije i ne mogu da izgovorim Č i Ć kada to radim zvuče mi potpuno isto, i ne znam kako da naučim da ih izgovorim, a pošto ne mogu drugačije da ih izgovorim uvek ih zbunim i ne znam u kojoj reči ide Č a u kojoj Ć kad nešto pišem, a neki su me zbog toga ismevali ali ja baš želim da naučim samo ne znam kako i odakle početi i kako da zapamtite koja reč koristi koje od dva slova.
Zdravo, Ja sam Srbin rođen u Austriji i celog zivota govorim nemački. Ja ucim srpski vec 2 nedelje ali nemozem da cujem razilka kod “č” i “ć”.
Please help. This appears to be some wide change, and I want to contact the ones behind it. For a month or two, it has been impossible for me to type ć on my Swedish keyboard. I even tried a different Swedish layout, but for some reason,
´ + C
now creates ç, which I think is stupid, since we already had
AltGr + ,
to type ç, which still exists! They have actually removed ć from the keyboard, which infuriates me slightly, since I no longer can write in my heritage language of Serbo-Croatian. Knowing the large Yugoslav population in Sweden, I cannot be the only one bothered by this, but I haven't been able to find any information or useful help online.
I want to be able to type in my language like I have been for years, without having to search up a name containing the letter to copy and paste.
Hi , i have a local online store that i made in Shopify. I want to add products in bulk since i have more than 200 and im able to upload the CSV file to shopify but when i type everything in excel and save it as .csv it changes the letters Ć Č Š Đ Ž to question marks, i tried all the unicodes and none of them are working, some can read the letter Š but cant Ć. Please help
My family always makes fun of me for saying words that are supposed to have the hard “Ch” sound with the soft “Ch” sound. Serbian (or whatever you want to call it) is my second language. How can I learn to say Č properly? I hear myself speak and I sound like a fool trying to say some words with a soft C.
Uvijek su mi bile zanimljive rasprave hreddit lingvista i kroatista. Evo kontroverzne teme oko koje često nastanu žučne rasprave, potaknuto aktualnim događanjima u Bjelorusiji, gdje je uhićen antivladin aktivist Roman Protaševič. Upravo je ovako po vijestima zapisano njegovo prezime „ProtaševiČ“, ali unatoč tome je njegovo prezime izgovoreno (istina, po mom „iskvarenom“ sluhu koji ne razlikuje u govoru ta slova) isto kao da je pisalo „ProtaševiĆ“.
Koja je pozadina nerazlikovanja Č i Ć u govoru hrvatskog jezika?
Kod kojih područja govora Hrvatske je to najčešće? Obrnuto, kod kojih krajeva je jako naglašeno to razlikovanje?
Kakvo je bilo stanje u prošlosti, odnosno je li više ili manje Hrvata razlikovalo Č i Ć nego danas?
I bomba za kraj koja uvijek odvede raspravu u međusobne svađe i blaćenje.
Kakvo je vaše mišljenje, bi li trebalo ukinuti slovo Ć u hrvatskom standardnom jeziku, kao što ga nema u slovenskom jeziku?
Recimo da pola Hrvata razlikuje, a pola ne razlikuje (očito ne znam stvarne omjere, zato je i nastala ova dretva), onda u slučaju status quo imamo polovinu stanovništva koje je „diskriminirano“ standardnim jezikom, jer su primorani učiti slovo koje u njihovom govoru ne postoji. Ukoliko bi se pak ukinulo slovo Ć, onda bi ova druga polovica bila „diskriminirana“ standardnim jezikom, jer ne sadrži slovo koje postoji u njihovom govoru.
I've always been able to write ć in my international keyboard by pressing ´ and then C, but since a while back, it outputs ç instead. Any ideas on why that is? What information do you need?
Top two have the name Nikola, all three have first names containing the letter k (as the third letter)
Cześć!
I got the impression from my audio material, that ć (at the end of a word) before s (at the beginning of the next) as in 'wynająć salę' or 'zostawić samych' sounds rather like c.
I've read about assimilation of voiced / unvoiced consonants, but according to those rules there shouldn't be such a change, I can't find any reference to that.
Looking forward to your expert input and maybe a reference with more corresponding rules.
Dziękuję!
