Edit: I must say I am greatly disappointed by the results. The amount of uninformed and racist answers here is truly depressing. It is unfortunate that so many people don't understand it, but this is largely a failure of our horrible education system.
It's sad.
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Nobody expected the furious czech and polish counterattack :D
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So when going down route towards total authoritarian rule, and with the crownlands revolting against the Habsburgs, would the Bohemians face internal unrest from the German minority? Since in OTL, during the Czech occupation of German settled areas of Bohemia there were some significant clashes and even martial law declared, I wouldn't be too surprised if the German speaking population of Bohemia also rose up when hostilities were to break out between Austria and Bohemia and fight on the side of the Austrians. Unless of course, there were some resettlement programs following the 1927 Ausgleich, but I couldn't find any lore suggesting that. Or maybe they'd seek help from the German Empire with the goal of outright annexation as in OTL. What do you think, would Bohemia be able to have its German minority on their side or would they face severe internal unrest up to the point of areas splintering away during a civil war?
Hi, is there an organization of descendants of the Sudeten Germans in Germany or Austria or is there a descendant of them right here on reddit? I'm looking for some more information and photos about the village where I live. It is a village in the east of the Czech Republic, specifically Pohorsch bei Odrau. I found an old chronicle from Mr. Tollich that ends in 1903 and a bit about Mr. Tollich's life and his death. I also found some old postcards and some photos. But if anyone have something from their grandparents, I'd love to see it. And out of curiosity, I wonder where the Pohorsch Germans were displaced. All I know is that Mr. Tollich's family ended up in Vienna.
It occurred to me to find out this information and photos after people from this village are playing "old settlers" here and yet they do not remember for a moment about the Pohorsch Germans who built it here, lived for centuries and the Czechs just came here after war, took a few houses and destroyed the rest.
In the link you will find what I found, it is in 7zip.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fz8AOSXcOArdUhux5XUDVv8pBpLXtbVo/view?usp=sharing
Would his accent have been considered foreign, or was it thought of more as an extension of the Bavarian accent?
I'm trying to wrap my head around the organization of the Third Reich. I'm reading about German speakers in Czechoslovakia during the interwar period and I'm wondering what rights they received as Reich citizens once the Sudetenland was annexed in 1938. Did they automatically receive the right to travel barrier-free between Germany, Austria, and the Sudetenland? Were they eligible to move to and work in Germany or Austria? Was there a process required for "Sudeten" Germans who wanted to go live and work in the Altreich?
(Repost because my last post unfortunately didn't get any respones, sorry! :( )
So, I definitely have Sudeten German ancestry as my grandmother was about half Polish and half German by heritage. I traced that branch of the family pretty far back, too. (Around 1600s) The rest of my ancestry I could only trace to the 19th century but all of these ancestors seem to come from the Kuyavian-Pomeranian area of Poland and parts of Greater Poland.
I did my Ancestry test 2 months ago and got 83% Eastern Europe and 17% Baltics. After 6 weeks or so I also got the Poland, Lithuania etc. community and Pomeranian sub community. Fairly accurate, although I have no idea where this large Baltic percentage is from. Could the Sudeten German ancestry be hidden in EE or did I just not inherit any traceable genes from that branch? Does someone else have some Sudeten German ancestry here? Thanks for any answers regarding that!
I was debating some on twitter (i know don't do that) about a certain modern Crisis i won't get in to here. But what i think was a obvious exuse/justification, he belived fully and it got me thinking about the Sudeten Crisis.
So during the Sudeten Crisis Hitler said he wanted only German-speaking parts of Czechoslovakia, but he invaded the entire counrty.
So, did anyone believe that he woundn't? I mean he wasnt HITLER! yet, he was just hitler german leader jerk guy.
So I have been working my way through Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and he makes a pretty strong case that Britain and France had the table set to force Hitler to back down over the Sudeten crisis, and that they are at fault for failing to do so given how obvious Hitler's aggressive intentions were by that point, as evidence by the forced Anschluss of Austria as well as the absurdity of the German demands in respect to Czechoslovakia.
Shirer makes the following points:
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Almost the entire German military was mobilized near the Czech border, with just 5 active divisions and 7 reserves guarding the French frontier. France by contrast had ~100 divisions available to push through the German border.
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The Czech fortifications in the Sudetenland were some of the best in Europe, comparable in quality to the Maginot line and capable of tying down many times the numbers of Czech troops needed to defend their territoriy. They had 34 well trained divisions mobilized as the end of September 1938 drew near.
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France's entire system of control of Germany depended on maintaining alliances on Germany's eastern border, and so blatantly failing to honor the French guarnatee of Czechosolovakia would undermine France's alliances with other eastern and central European nations.
All of that said, this is just from reading one history of the subject, and I'm not too familiar with the military history of the pre/early WWII era. I'm sure the "what if they hadn't appeased" question has been broached a lot by people smarter than me. So what's the best case that Chamberlian and Daladier were correct?
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I am Currently reading Robert Harris's novel Munich about the events leading up to the Munich conference. Early in the book Prime Minister Chamberlain is being briefed by the 3 chiefs of the Army, Navy and Air force about the escalating crisis regarding Hitlers ultimatum to the Czech Government. The briefing can be summed up as follows:
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All three branches of the British military have major problems. They are using outdated equipment, are under sized (the Raf is said to have only 6 divisions of modern fighters) and suffer from technical problems. They go on to say that it will take at least a year to be ready to go to war with Germany.
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That although the French are serious about going to war to defend the Czechs their war plan consists almost entirely of defense and a few token raids with no actual plan to challenge Germany
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That Czechoslovakia would be quickly crushed by Germany if it were to invade, That it's defense system is aimed almost entirely at the borders Germany had preunification with Austria and as such as a massive gap with Germany's new border. There is also questions of whether the Slovak population will fight an invasion.
Given this briefing the advice is to avoid war at basically any cost. How true are the details listed above? Could Britain, France and Czechoslovakia have won a war against Germany in 1938? Given how bad a reputation appeasement has was it the least bad option available?
