I can somehow understand Georgian position about south Ossetia, as North Ossetia already exists, even though I don't agree with it. But when it comes to Abkhazia i can't see any reasonable argument. Aren't Abkhazians also your/our brothers? I believe that they have the right to control their country by themselves and in our region where people always valued liberty no one has the right to put himself above others and to rule another people.
These peoples have every right to decide their own destiny. I want to note that I absolutely do not support the pro-Russian government in these countries, but this is all because of that they have no other choice. As Churchill said: βIf Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.". I don't compare Georgia to Nazi Germany, rather I compare the despair of Abkhazians, ready to accept any help just to achieve their independence.
I don't criticize anyone, i simply want to understand your position. I have great respect for Georgians and I see our people (all people of Caucasus) as brothers, that can manage any conflict simply negotiating without an war, that only benefits to our one common neighbor. /
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[Edit 1] It got a lot of answers over the night that basically say: "They aren't real ethnicity, made up nation. These are our territoires. Russian propaganda. Etc etc etc"
I don't want to answer same thing to each one individually, so i will summarize here:
Phrases like they never existed, that they aren't a real nation etc. are insulting and this only proves why you shouldn't live in the same country, while you use this insulting hate speech. Let's pretend for a second that it's true. Even if they never existed before, today they are a formed nation with their culture and traditions and you have to deal with. You can say whatever you want, but they have the mindset of themselves being a separate nation that is not related to Georgians or Circassians.
Georgia is one of the oldest country. During it's long history Georgia was entirely or partly occupated by Persians, Arabs, Greeks, Turkish, Russians, Mongols, maybe even Armenians. The point is, If we get stuck in history, it turns out that no one has a right to any land. There will simply be a whole period in history when countries claimed rights over territories until, in the end, there is no country left. In today's Europe they understood that and understand th
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I wonder if here is person who was able to go to this places as a tourists, family visit, service or business. If so, how was it?
Like his ancestor Inal, Inarmaz had beaten a coalition. Now it was time to bring them to heel. He had captured the commander, and brought him in to discuss terms. Inarmazβs offer was simple. The lords of Ingush, Ossetia, and Balkar would swear fealty to him. They would contribute taxes and soldiers to his campaigns, and in exchange, Inarmaz would protect them from other attackers. At this, several Crimean riders entered the room. They said that the raids by Crimeans had fallen silent, and that Inarmaz had secured the west with cooperation. The Avars could now face a truly dangerous foe: 4 tribes United under one banner. Under one ruler.
Balkar, Ossetia, and Ingush were to have their leaders invited to a meeting. The captured ruler of the coalition forces will also be used as leverage. Our goal is to secure the fealty of the lords of Balkar, Ossetia, and Ingush. We will offer them representation in our government, and they will be governors of their respective territories. With four of the tribes of Circassia united, we could stand strong and economically develop further.
I'm curious to know what life is like for the people that live in these unofficial countries. Why did you travel there and was it difficult? How do the people get by? Are they all really big Russia-lovers as I read online? How close are they to true independence?
Respected Russian citizens!
"You without doubt know about the tragedy in South Ossetia. The nighttime artillery attack of Tskhinvali by Georgian troops led to the deaths of hundreds of our peaceful citizens. Russian peacekeepers, who carried out their duty to defend women, children and elderly people to the end, died.
"The Georgian leadership violated the UN Charter, their obligations under international treaties, ignored common sense, and launched a military conflict in which civilians became the victims. A similar fate awaited Abkhazia. Apparently, Tbilisi counted on a blitzkrieg, which would hand the world a fait accompli: the most inhumane means to achieve their goal of taking over South Ossetia at the price of exterminating a whole people.
"This was not the first attempt. In 1991, Georgian President Gamsakhurdia gave the order to storm Sukhumi and Tskhinvali under the motto 'Georgia for Georgians.' Just think about these words. It was Russia which then stopped the extermination of the Abkhaz and Ossetian people. Our country has become a mediator and peacekeeper which was looking for a political settlement. But we always proceeded from a recognition of Georgia's territorial integrity.
"The Georgian leadership has chosen a different path. Undermining talks, ignoring signed agreements, political and military provocations, attacks on peacekeepers -- all this flagrantly violated the regime in the conflict zones established with the support of the United Nations and OSCE.
"Russia has shown restraint and patience. We have more than once called for a return to the negotiating table and did not depart from our position even after the unilateral declaration of Kosovo's independence. But our insistent calls to the Georgian side to sign agreements on the nonuse of force with Abkhazia against South Ossetia remained unanswered. Unfortunately, they were ignored by NATO and even by the United Nations.
"It is clear now: a peaceful solution of the conflict was not part of Tbilisi's plans. The Georgian leadership has been methodically preparing for war, while political and material help from outside mentors only strengthened its feeling of impunity.
"On the night of August 8, 2008, Tbilisi made its choice. Saakashvili chose genocide to solve his political tasks. Thus he killed with his own hands all hopes for the peaceful coexistence of Ossetians, Abkhazians, and Georgians in one state. The peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia have more than once spoken out in r
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I'm curious to know what life is like for the people that live in these unofficial countries. How do the people get by? Where do their politics lie? How close are they to true independence?
