So on some wikipedia articles, they mention Massagetae and Getae as being related peoples, and what is this based on? Massagetae were Scythian peoples while Getae were Thracian peoples, and their etymologies aren't even the same. They also say that the Dacians and Dahae were related, yet I don't see how they could be. What's the modern concensus? They do sound similar, but again their etymologies don't match. Massagetae according to wikipedia comes from "Masjaka-ta" and means "Fisherman Nation" while Getae comes from a Celtic word meaning "Voice", and apparently serves as the root word for Thyssagetae, Tyragetae, and Massagetae, but links no source. The sources that are linked for mentions that "Getae" and "Massagetae" are connected are give absolutely no explanations why so that's why I have come to reddit to ask.
It's almost impossible to actually form the Dahae before you get the invasion event unless you do some cheese, and then just as you finish up the war and annex them, you are given the event which is your one big shot at sniping the Seleucids. But right as you declare it, your levies are stuck waiting to re-organize.
Even worse, Bactria is dragged into your war even though Historically they actually aided the Parthians as they declared nominal Independence before anyway. This tips the favor way into the Seleucid's hand, especially if you decide to form Parthia as you lose your levy bonus from being a tribe or Migratory Tribe. The best way I've found is to just integrate Parthian before, wait until -100% centralization, form Dahae, and don't form Parthia until after the war. You'll have a massive Levy that will be able to fight off the combined force and be able to get a decent amount of land.
Of course, this all means that the AI will almost never fucking be able to do this unless the Seleucids were getting their cheeks busted all game (likely by the player) and lost Bactria which leads to the current situation where 80% of the time the Parthians get destroyed. I think the whole event chain can be made a bit better and here's a few options I thought up:
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When the war fires, Bactria should get an event choice to either join the war on the Parthians' side, declare neutrality and independence, or stick with the Seleucids and join their side. They should be weighted to choose the first or second option more often than not, especially if they are disloyal. This would really help the Parthian AI out as they now only have a 1 front war to worry about + an ally
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Make the event more dynamic and make it a bit like how the Antigonid collapse works: The Seleucids have to complete X objective in time or Parthia and Bactria will declare independence, and then the Dahae can get an event where they annex Parthia and then declare war. This gives the AI more time to actually build up and conquer it's neighbors, and the player could probably manually force the war by declaring on the Parthians early, then get a 'launch invasion' decision.
Currently playing as the Selucids and would like to stop the event where Dahae kills your ruler and gives you a nationwide -loyalty and -happiness.. Any tips about how can one stop it from forming? I apparently cant create CB on them because the Caspian Sea is not considered as coastal..
Ave Citizen, I’ve been having trouble as the Parni. The Seleucids never seem to crack and always eat up Armenia.
The imperial challenger CB is strong but pops are so low that it’s hard to get levies or manpower to match them. Playing as other factions I always see Parthia pop off when they “unite the dahae” but maybe it’s the AI bonuses that help them.
Any suggestions?
TLDR: Playing as a Dahae nation is broken in 1.3, and needs to be overhauled in 1.4.
In 1.2, when you united the Dahae you get the event where Arsaces shows up with a 27k strong army and becomes tribal leader. This army easily costs 20+ gold per month with the 50% increase army maintenance penalty for tribes. This was meant to trigger the player to immediately attack Parnia/Seleucids. Obviously, a regional power that lives in the desert can't afford this war and the player would quickly run out of money. However, a series of events would pop up that gave the player money to continue the war when ever the player went bankrupt. It's a challenging war because you are surrounded on all three fronts, outnumbered, but with luck and strategy the player can win this war, become the new Parnia, culture convert, and have to deal with rebellions and huge AE penalty because 3/4 of your country now belongs to a different culture.
Fast forward to 1.3, Arsaces shows up with 27k strong army, player goes to war with Parnia/Seleucids, goes bankrupt, stability drops, keeps going bankrupt, keeps getting punished for being bankrupt, and rage quits. I've attempted this 3 times over the last few days. It's literally unplayable. I got a few events that gave me like 40 or 60 gold at the cost of stability and prestige, but that covers my army maintenance for like 2-3 months, and I am still deeply in debt.
Before uniting Dahae, your tribal nation makes ~4 gold a month if you decrease army and fort maintenance (you live in a desert with like 4 ppl per settlement). That's roughly 50 gold per year. So for every year I expect to be at war, I need to save up for 5 years in game (~50 gold per year x 5 years = ~20 gold army maintenance for 1 year = ~250 gold). Realistically, a player would have to wait 15+ years or more to prepare for this war, and hope the Seleucids don't attack first.
There are a few ways to address this, but this post is long enough as is. If anybody has successfully completed a Dahae to Parnia campaign in 1.3 and I'm just bad at this game, please let me know. Cheers.
Any help is apritiated.
The one where they subjugate the other tribes.
The Arsakid Realms are kind of distinct from the Satrapy of Parthia after all...
Played as Parnia and I have United the Dahae. I was trying to create a navy in the Caspian Sea. I have access to wood but I'm still not able to create ships. Just wondering how to create a navy when playing as Dahae?
(Also just general tips playing as the nation would be nice as well).
Does anyone know the stats of the 2 premium units of this week:
- Dahae Archers
- Iberian royal cavarly
Oare ma poate indruma cineva inspre carti scrise de istorici romani care ar trata vreunul din popoarele mentionate?
Wiki links:
Sursele mentionate in articole in limba romana respective linkurilor de mai sus nu sunt prea... convingatoare.
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