Why is there such a prevalent narrative in the Black community of feminism destroying the Black community?

In spaces (whether academic or casual) where the majority is Black men, there seems to be a prevailing narrative that one of the reasons the community is failing is that Black women allowed feminism to divide the community.

Why are Black men so fearful of feminist Black women? Why is there such a disdain for them? It has ways seemed to me that most Black men were allergic to even hearing feminist rhetoric. It seems the only self-proclaimed Black male feminist you will find are members of the LGBT community or biracial men that identify as Black.

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feminism has done nothing for me, a black woman

/rant/

And I hate how people glorify it as if it's back in the 1900's.

And mind you in the 1900's majority of the "mothers of feminism" were racist, into eugenics and just wanted to sit at the table as white men.

I cringe seeing "let your body hair grow" yet they're aiding in the masculinization of brown and black women.

Wage gap right now, does not matter.

What matters is the black, brown, native american women who are going missing left right and center. The femicide in mexico.

the abuse of feminist in south korea. ( the literally exploitation of women by secretly recording them and ruining their lives)

the child marriage laws still existing in states.

The masculinization of black women

the fetishization of Asian women to the point that they're being sold

GM still being done worldwide

sometimes I wonder if people like to cosplay(?), pretend these things affect them drastically when in reality they live their life being radicalized by not wanting to be in that situation instead of helping people out the situation and when they do end up in the situation, Texas abortion law cough cough, they suddenly turn into a series character?? Wanting to protect?

Giving me very much missionary, "God called me to go to Africa to preach to the people" vybz

but okie this is just my rant about feminism.

Intersectionality and Womanism for the win.

AND before anyone says i'm blaming women, i'm not. We live in a patriarchy, minus the Caribbean and a few Asian countries, and certain things are beyond our control but if we even on an individual stance unlearn a lot of the things were were taught, socialized in, over heard and consumed. We can slowly make a difference. uwu

Much loves girlies and theybies.

Another update: The Caribbean is a matriarchy. Coming from someone who lives in the Caribbean, born and raised there, studied their history and cultural dynamics and is still living there. :/ We're a matriarchy yes, but do we still uphold some of the patriarchy due to colonization, gentrification and exploitation via tourism. Yes we do.

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'Other Mother' of a Generation: On bell hooks and Living Black Feminism msmagazine.com/2021/12/23…
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Black women share what bell hooks taught them about feminism thelily.com/black-women-s…
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Why do some black girls say feminism only benefits white women? Is there truth to that statement or are they only looking for attention when they say this. Being able to own a bank card, get a divorce or own a home benefits all women surely?
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bell hooks pushed us to think harder about feminism, Black women and BeyoncΓ© washingtonpost.com/books/…
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[Entertainment] - bell hooks, author who brought Black women's perspectives to feminism, dies at 69 | LA Times latimes.com/entertainment…
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Do you think that mainstream feminism highlights the issues you face as a Black woman? (and if not, how can that change?)

I just found a post that asked this exact question (minus the parentheses) on r/blackladies and the results were 1 Yes, 3 No’s, 5 Partially’s.

None of the answers explained what mainstream feminism was lacking in regard to Black women so I thought I’d ask here. It seems a couple people think it’s specifically geared toward benefiting white women but they didn’t explain how, and nobody mentioned what could be done to improve upon feminism.

Disclaimer: I’ve never read anything in depth about feminism, I don’t know what anybody considers mainstream feminism except myself (I consider mainstream to be whatever I’ve learned in passing about feminism), I don’t know the nuances of any wave of feminism, but I consider myself a feminist because equality is equality.

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'I cannot be intimidated': Black Widow's Olga Kurylenko on fighting, feminism and working with Scarlett Johansson, Glamour Magazine (United Kingdom/UK/Britain)

Source: Black Widow: Taskmsater Olga Kurylenko talks fighting feminism and baddie gender politics | Glamour UK

\" Black Widow's bad-ass baddie reveals all\"

"Spoilers for Black Widow incoming."

"Olga Kurylenko has made a name for herself kicking ass. First as Bond Girl Camille Montes alongside Daniel Craig in Quantum of Solace and now she’s back on the big-screen in the box office-smashing and most feminist Marvel Studios movie to date, Black Widow. Although the Ukrainian-French actor’s identity as the iconic villain Taskmaster is only revealed in the last scenes (she is behind a mask throughout the film) and has divided fans due to the gender-flip from the original Marvel Comics, where Taskmaster was a man. In the film the baddie's character is revealed to be Antonia Dreykov, the daughter of the evil General Dreykov and who was thought to have been killed by Scarlett Johansson’s ex KGB assassin, Natasha Romanv, AKA Black Widow back in the 2012 film, The Avengers."

"But she’s still alive, with facial disfigurement and being forced to be her father’s ultimate fighting weapon, mimicking any opponent who crosses her path with adept skill in her scary Terminator vibes suit. Off screen, the 41-year-old actor has also been kicking ass in the last year as she became one of the first celebrities to beat Covid-19, back at the beginning of the pandemic when little was known about the deadly disease. For the latest GLAMOUR UNFILTERED, Olga talks fighting, feminism, following your instincts and what working with Scarlett Johansson is really like."

"How hard was it for you to keep your role as Taskmaster a secret for so long?"

"I had to put it away in my mind and somehow forget about it and pretend it didn't happen, so that I wouldn't even be tempted. But I'm usually quite good at secrets. I even kept it away from my mother. She only found out three days ago."

"And you participated in some pretty epic fight scenes. Did you do your own stunts?"

"I wish I could say 100% I did it all by myself, but take in account the Taskmaster's skills are quite complex and incredible and there's nothing she can't do really because she mimics the opponent. Usually in films, an actor has one stunt double that looks like them. And in this case, I had like three or four stunt dou

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Woke Medicine: Psychic Suffering; Black Revolutionary Feminism; Humanism, Equity, and Anti-Racism politicalhat.com/2021/11/…
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THE NEW WHITE FEMINISM IS STRAIGHT BLACK MEN

I'd like to hear your opinions on my thoughts about a certain topic. So something has been bugging me for many years and I'm finally fed up and need to talk about it. And it's the Mainstream Black Movement being the equivalent to White Women Feminism.

By this I mean the black movement seems to be focused on getting equality for the Straight Black Man. Whenever there is conversation about equality its always about how Black men are affected by the police, systematic racism etc...

There is never a conversations about the misogyny and homopobia in the black community. Whenever a black male celebrity is attacked there is a call of arms and any criticism is shutdown. This same energy is never there for women and queer poc.

The most recent issue has been DaBaby. He recently went on a homopobic rant and many in the black community agreed with him or said he has the right to that opinion. Even when he slapped a black women no backlash whatsoever.

Same thing with any problematic black man, they get away with murder (some times literally). Just look at the way straight black celeb men talk and treat black women. Then compare it to how straight white celeb men treat white women.

The white community will happily cancel white men for being sexist or homopobic but the black community still loves Chris Brown/R Kelly/Dababy.

I can't imagine Nicki Minaj, Megan thee Stallion or any non straight black male celebrity getting so much leeway.

They want us to all acknowledge their problems with racism but are more than happy to shit of Black feminists and black queer folks. Same as white Feminism, they want us to help open doors and them slam them in our faces.

It's exhausting standing up for people who don't have the same energy for you. We are expected to fight for them but whenever a Black women/ queer poc needs help... silence. I'm tired.

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We need to talk about Black feminism today acuoptimist.com/2021/11/w…
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How White Feminism Threw Its Black Counterpart Under the Bus nytimes.com/2021/10/05/bo…
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New book β€˜Wild Imperfections’ explores Black feminism in new and liberating ways, flattening geography and privileging solidarity newframe.com/wild-imperfe…
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Finally..... After 50 years. A black woman has broken the girl code and said what black men have known about feminism. And why black feminists and their allies HATE black men. Damn THIS IS SAD, and the mentality of ALL the women on r/blackladies and r/blackgirdiaries v.redd.it/hl9yhd29nxt61
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How White Feminism Threw Its Black Counterpart Under the Bus nytimes.com/2021/10/05/bo…
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"How Cinema Betrays Women | The male gaze in Avengers vs Black Widow - Feminism in Film." Classic Bechdel test moments also! youtu.be/gjv1MCycOYw
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[Arts] - How White Feminism Threw Its Black Counterpart Under the Bus | NY Times nytimes.com/2021/10/05/bo…
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The Truth is many people don't hate LGBT, Veganism, Black lives matter, Transgenders and Feminism but they hate the idea to get forced to accept it

Those movements are full of Karens and Crusaders and Extremists so the average person doesn't hate homosexuality (For example) but only some crazy people and the idea to get involved in a discussion without exit. To get bored. To get forced. To change their lifestyle.

This guy here is a perfect example of what I'm saying. It's not important what the transgender is saying, if it's right or not because the guy here is only embarrassed and afraid by a situation who nobody wants to live

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How Salt-N-Pepa’s β€˜Blacks’ Magic’ Gave Me A Blueprint For Feminism wmfe.org/how-salt-n-pepas…
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First flag is the OFFICIAL flag of the be here autonomous Collective. The rest are secondary flags and 1 PAZ flag. The Star indicates our ideologies of: Green Anarchism, Anarcha-Feminism (purple) & Libertarian Socialism (red) & black background is anarchism. reddit.com/gallery/nymufx
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Why black women need feminism, why black women struggle to share space with white women and black men. 6/6

Black women need feminism because Feminism is a social movement and ideology that fights for the political, economic, and social rights of women. Feminists believe that men and women are equal, and women deserve the same rights as men in society. The feminist movement has fought for many different causes, such as the right for women to vote, the right to work and the right to live free from violence. Black women struggle to share a space with white women and black men as feminist movements largely support middle-class white women. While black women also benefit from the feminist movement, their contributions are not acknowledged because white women are often seen as the standard victims of sexism. Feminism tends to be very white and rarely considers how black women, specifically deal with being black and female. Black women are often asked to stand at the back of the line while white women asked for their rights first and considered the goals of black women as antagonistic to their own. Black men already sided with white women as they are seen as the β€œtrophy” and the standard of beauty in this society. So black men feel the need to support white women in any way just to get some sort of approval from them that black men do matter. Black men are already misogynistic and sexist so they believe that women do not deserve the same equal rights as men so you can imagine how some of them feel with the thought of black women having the same rights as white women.

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Black Feminism 5/6

From the NAACP to the Harlem Renaissance, African Americans made new inroads in politics, arts, and culture in the first decades of the 20th century. The Great Depression brought hard times, and World War II and the post-war period brought new challenges and involvements.

Toni Morrison was born Chloe Anthony Wofford in Lorain, Ohio after her parents moved to the North to escape the problems of southern racism.

In that capacity, Morrison played a vital role in bringing Black Literature into the mainstream. One of the first books she worked on was the groundbreaking Contemporary African Literature. She fostered a new generation of Afro-American writers, including poet and novelist Toni Cade Bambara, radical activist Angela Davis, Black Panther Huey Newton and novelist Gayl Jones, whose writing Morrison discovered. Her most famous novel, Beloved followed in 1987. It was a fictionalised account of the 19th-century slave Margaret Garner, who killed her own daughter to save her from slavery. Morrison became a well-known figure within the worlds of American academia, publishing and cultural life. Both her creativity and her critical work are designed to remap the contours of American literature and culture. She aims to highlight what was omitted in the conventional forms of liberalism that governed institutional life in America during the second half of the 20th century. Morrison was not only honing her own craft as a novelist but also as an essayist and critic. While her fiction unquestionably has transformed the terrain of how we understand black subjectivityβ€”through her unparalleled storytelling about the trials, terrors, and triumphs of black womenβ€”her nonfiction (in addition to her editing) also contributed significantly to black freedom struggles.

In the 1950s and 1960s, and into the 1970s, the civil rights movement took the historical centre stage. African American women had key roles in that movement, in the "second wave" of the women's rights movement, and, as barriers fell, in making cultural contributions to American society.

Rosa Parks is, for many, one of the iconic faces of the modern civil rights struggle. We have grown comfortable with the Parks who is often seen but rarely heard. Sixty-five years ago, Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus in Montgomery, Ala. Americans are convinced they know this civil rights hero. In textbooks and documentaries, she is the meek seamstress gazing quietly out of a bus window β€” a symbol of progr

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Horseshoe Theory: Feminism on Men, and the Alt-Right on Jews and Blacks becauseits2015.wordpress.…
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Which beg the question, what exactly did black women have to gain from helping feminism in the beginning?
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On the Necessity of Black Feminism 4w.pub/on-the-necessity-o…
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Why black women need feminism, why black women struggle to share space with white women and Black men.

Black women need feminism because feminism is a social movement and ideology that fights for the political, economic, and social rights of women. Feminists believe that men and women are equal, and women deserve the same rights as men in society. The feminist movement has fought for many different causes, such as the right for women to vote, the right to work and the right to live free from violence.

Black women struggle to share a space with white women and Black men as feminist movements largely support middle-class white women. While Black women also benefit from the feminist movement, their contributions are not acknowledged because white women are often seen as the standard victims of sexism. Feminism tends to be very white and rarely considers how Black women, specifically deal with being Black and female. Black women are often asked to stand at the back of the line while white women asked for their rights first and considered the goals of black women as antagonistic to their own. Black men already sided with white women as they are seen as the β€œtrophy” and the standard of beauty in this society. So black men feel the need to support white women in any way just to get some sort of approval from them that black men do matter. Black men are already misogynistic and sexist so they believe that women do not deserve the same equal rights as men so you can imagine how some of them feel with the thought of black women having the same rights as white women.

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Black Feminism 1/6

Organized feminism did not begin until 1848, according to White Feminists in 1848 is when they first held their official women's conference. The feminist movement in this time took examples from the abolition of slavery movement to mould their work. It was in 1903 that a new organisation was founded called β€œThe Women’s Social and Political Union” the leader was Emmeline Pankhurst. Emmeline believed this new movement would have to become radical and militant in order to be effective and create some change. This new women’s movement was known to the daily mail as the β€œsuffragettes”. Due to this movement, white women in 1920 gained the right to vote. Furthermore, they achieved the rights to own property, reproductive rights, rights to education, rights to wear pants, and the right to work outside of the home and be financially independent. The question now is, who was missing from this conversation from the very beginning? The Feminist movement in its beginning excluded women of colour.

Black women have played many important roles in history since the days of the American Revolution. Many of these women are key figures in the struggle for civil rights, but they have also made major contributions to the arts, to science, and to civil society.

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Dear black ladies! Do you think that mainstream feminism highlights the issues you face?

Hi! Does mainstream feminism highlight the problems you face as a BLACK woman?

Thanks!

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