I was just thinking that in earlier history, it would not have been so easy to study such a problem.
In particular, were any battles or wars lost for this reason?
To preface, I'm basing my question on a few things that I'm not 100% sure about.
-First, in official documentation the IJN appears to refer to cruisers as "1st Rate" or "2nd Rate" cruisers, instead of a Light "CL" or Heavy "CA" designation.
-Second, it appears that when WW2 started, all cruisers launched in 1923 or earlier (i.e. Sendai Class, Nagara Class, Kuma Class, etc) are classed as 2nd Rate, whereas the newer cruisers (Myoko, Takao, Mogami, etc) are classed as 1st Rate.
-Finally, it appears that "2nd Rate Cruisers" were predominately being used as leaders of Destroyer Divisions & fleet escorts, while the "1st Rate Cruisers" are being placed in Cruiser Divisions and are being given roles more typically associated with what we expect from the class.
So based on this, was there an intent for the earlier Cruiser designs like the Sendai Class to serve in Escort/ASW roles as the lead of a DesDiv, or are they simply placing the oldest usable Cruiser models in this role?
Additionally, following the construction of the Tone Class, there appears to be a shift in design for Cruisers to be more focused towards purpose built escort/command ships with the Agano and Oyodo class. What is the reason for this change in design philosophy?
Thanks in advance!
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> SS Tjisalak was a 5,787-ton Dutch freighter with passenger accommodation built in 1917 for the Java-China-Japan Lijn and used by the Allies during World War II to transport supplies across the Indian Ocean between Australia and Ceylon. On 26 March 1944, she was torpedoed and sunk by the Japanese submarine I-8 while traveling unescorted. The freighter's crew were subsequently massacred in an infamous naval war crime.
> Tjisalak was sailing from Melbourne and Colombo with a cargo of flour and mail.[1] The crew of 80 consisted of Dutch, Chinese and English merchant seamen, plus ten Royal Navy gunners manning the ship's four-inch gun. Also on board were five passengers (including an American Red Cross nurse, Mrs. Verna Gorden-Britten) and 22 Laskar sailors returning to India after the loss of their ship. Tjisalak had been travelling for 19 days, when her captain became confused by an unusual wireless message from Perth, and changed his course, sailing at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) to conserve fuel. At 5:45 am on 26 March 1944, she was struck by a torpedo from I-8.
> One passenger, a Lieutenant Dawson from Australia, was killed instantly, and the ship began to list to port. The order was given to abandon ship. Most of the crew obeyed, taking to the ship's boats and liferafts, but the British gunners and the Dutch gun commander, second officer Jan Dekker, remained on board, waiting for the Japanese submarine to appear and opened fire. I-8 responded with her own deckgun, forcing the gunners to abandon ship.
> Once in the water, the 105 survivors were collected by the Japanese, who placed them on I-8's deck and ordered Captain Hen into the conning tower to confer with the Japanese commander, Tatsunosuke Ariizumi. Survivors reported Hen as shouting "No, no, I don't know." At that moment, a Chinese sailor slipped into the water and was shot.
> The Japanese then tied the survivors together in pairs and walked them aft around the conning tower, where they were attacked with various weapons. Four men jumped or fell from the submarine while being attacked and survived the random gunfire from three Japanese sailors seated behind the conning tower. These were Chief Officer Frits de Jong, Second Officer Jan Dekker, Second Wireless Operator James Blears and Third Engineer Cees Spuybroek. A Laskar named Dhange also survived the massacre.
> After the Japanese had killed all but about twenty of the prisoners, they tied the remainder to a lo
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Like a lot of people I'm bored during the quarantine and I started thinking about a hypothetical project a few hours ago, but so far I haven't found the data I'd need to even consider beginning it. I teach 3D modelling as my job and I thought it would be fun to think about modelling a to-scale battle barge for my minis. Of course your average vessel is way too big for this but I figured there might be something in a "reasonable" size range to be reproduced physically. I wouldn't want to botch the scale too hard, I'd want the ship to be as accurately scaled as possible. So I started looking.
The smallest destroyer I could find was a Cobra-class destroyer. These things are around 1.5km long. I'm not extremely familiar with the Imperial Navy so I started searching through any ship-class links I could find on the Lexicanum and wiki. 1.5km seems to be the smallest length I can find, so lets run some numbers. For simplicity's sake lets say that a primaris marine stands 2.4 meters tall. Again, for simplicity's sake lets say that a primaris mini stands 4cm tall. 1500/2.4 means that it would take 625 primaris marines laying head-to-toe to reach the length of the ship. Convert that to the mini scale (625 * .04) and you get a "mini" scale Cobra-class destroyer that is 25 meters long. I obviously cannot print this, and I wouldn't really want to design it either.
So I thought I'd ask the community if there were any ships that were not incredibly large? If you turn to the Tantive IV from star wars you get a ship that's 150 meters long, converted to 40k scale it'd be around 2.5 meters in length. Still obscenely long and not something I could print, but a lot more reasonable. If there were a ship that was only 100 meters in length that would mean printing a to-scale ship that would be around 1.3 meters long. I could print that, but there's very little chance I'd follow through. Which is why this question is hypothetical. I'd say that even a ship that's 150 meters long could be something accomplishable by someone. It's fun to dream about having a massive imperial ship hovering over a gaming table, but from my night of research it seems like none of the ships are small enough to make that a to-scale reality. Even in a best-case scenario I'd have to model a ship at one-tenth its true miniature scale, and while that would definitely still be very cool and very big, it wouldn't be "accurate." Are there any imperial ships in the size range I'm looking for? Or is it a
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I know the Allies made use of radar technology and improved tactics like convoy protection in the Atlantic against the German U-boats. Were the Japanese effective at stopping American submarines in the Pacific theater?
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Couldn't get an answer on ask historians, so I hope it's OK to ask it here. EDIT: By Imperial Navy, I mean the Kaiserliche Marine.
How on earth the Germans just lose all their shipbuilding expertise during the inter-war period? AFAIK their light cruisers were structurally weak, their destroyers bloated and unreliable, their heavy cruisers overweight etc etc...with U-boats as the only possible exception.
