I had a discussion with some people about the Younger Dryas and there were some who claimed that the stories of the flood myth was inspired by the end of the Younger Dryas and survived thousands of years through oral tradition. It seems to me completely crazy that the stories told could be the same for that long, considering even with written support, stories like those of Christianity hugely changed in two thousand years. To me, it seems weird that a people would not change a story in thousands of years to fit a moral or political agenda for instance. I'm also reluctant to believe it because I think the people I was talking with simply took the first big thing that could fit because they were looking for something to fit.
So I'm asking for expert opinions on how possible or likely it is.
If the the flood account in Genesis was an adaptation of the Mesopotamian Flood myths involving Gilgamesh and Atra-Hasis, then I think that points to the Garden of Eden creation account in Genesis being an adaptation of the Mesopotamian Huluppu Tree myth involving Gilgamesh and Inanna (Ishtar.) I was researching Lilith for a research paper and was really struck by the similarities between the Huluppu Tree story and the Garden of Eden creation account. They are especially similar if you believe that Lilith was the Serpent in Eden because Lilith and a serpent refused to leave Inanna's Huluppu Tree until Gilgamesh drove them away. I honestly want somebody to tell me if I'm right or wrong here, I also have some crack pot theories about Lilith that are driving me bonkers too.
I was first introduced to the Epic of Gilgamesh as proof that the Biblical flood was true. I never looked into it until I lost my faith...
So every video on YouTube I've found on this topic claims that all other flood myths copied the Bible... even though the Dead Sea scrolls date back to 2nd C. BCE and the Atrahasis Epic dates back to 18th C. BCE
Are there any videos on this topic that are good quality/factual?
The Bible was written around 1,000 years later and itβs authors completely copied the Epic of Gilgamesh. In both stories the Flood is divinely planned and revealed, a boat is used to save the hero, there was a defection in the human race, and the hero and their family are the only ones saved.
It seems like if the Bible is inspired by God like it claims numerous times, that βGodβ must have copied his work from another authors text written 1,000 years earlier. Either way the Bible canβt be trusted as one of its earliest stories was completely plagiarized. In college that would get you expelled, but since itβs the Bible itβs completely ignored somehowβ¦ unbelievable.
I was having a conversation with a Christian about whether the flood myth from the epic of gilgamesh was written before or after the Noah's flood. I insisted that the Mesopotamian myth was older but since I am no expert I would like to clear things up
Why Do Great Flood Myths Seem To Be Universal?
December 7, 2021 β’ 52 min
If look into the mythology of just about any culture in the world, you will find a myth about a great flood that destroyed humanity and submerged the Earth in the distant past. Does this mean that a great flood actually happened?
I just find Aquarius' connection to this lost memory of humanity about a great flood so interesting. Aquarius' connections with stories like Deucalion, Noah's Ark, Ea and the Nile flooding (Comment if there are more flood stories i missed).
I'm most interested about Aquarius' connections to Deucalion and Noah's Ark (especially Noah's Ark, i've searched in this sub and r/astrology and didn't see a post about it).
Why are we associated with this lost memory in history? Why are there so many stories/interpretations about it? Is there another memory lost in history like this one?
I just reallyy want to know everything about it.
Hello Friends,
This week we finish off The Epic of Gilgamesh! Thank you to everyone who has taken part, and for those discovering us now feel free to catch up and contribute to the discussion! This book is always such a profound experience, to read and be impacted by something so ancient is an amazing thing. It goes to show just how much humans across time are interested in the same things, trying to find the answers to the biggest questions of life. Hopefully we've all come closer to our own answers as we've gone through this.
Wherever you are in the reading finish the rest of the book for this discussion.
Who/What does Gilgamesh blame for the death of Enkidu? Why does he react so violently after he speaks Enkidu's eulogy?
Why does Gilgamesh withdraw from the world of culture into that of Nature after his friend's death?
Why does the Scorpion-Man tell Gilgamesh that his journey is "impossible"?
Why do you suppose the gatekeeper allows G to go through the mountain?
Describe the world at the other end of the tunnel. What does this setting symbolize?
Why do Shamash and Siduri both tell G "You will not find the eternal life that you seek"?
What is the secret of the gods?
What is significant about the flower spiking G's hands when he plucks it?
Who returns to Uruk with G? Is this significant?
Why does G finally accept his fate?
According to the epic, how might humans come to terms with death?
Is immortality possible? Is it desirable?
What is Utnapishtim's attitude about Gilgamesh's quest for immortality?
What is the purpose of this story?
Like you know how some Heroic Spirits are completely mythological while others are more in tune with real history.
Is Gilgamesh the same way? i feel like if he is real his mythos somewhat conflicts with Earth's lore.
I need to start with an apology for beating this dead horse. If you click through my previous posts, the global flood has been a primary focus for quite a while. Mostly because my educated, retired petroleum engineer father told me he was disappointed in me and then said the flood was literal.
Between 50-80% of all life on earth is in the ocean, not on land. In fact, 99% of livable space on earth is in the ocean. Source
The amount of water needed to cover the earth would real havoc on all aquatic life.
Salinity: the changes in salinity alone would eradicate fresh water and ocean water organism.
Depth: all life that requires sunlight (reefs, sea fans, etc) would be buried by 30,000β of water. So much water that visible light would not be able to penetrate.
Breeding patterns: many aquatic life migrate for breeding; whether this is to find a quiet cove or even to bury eggs on land.
So, God, in his infinite wisdom, had a 900 year old man construct an impossibly large ship that could only hold a minority of life on earth. Including kangaroos from Australia, of course.
But then god was like, donβt worry about the majority of life on earth, Iβll wave my magic wand and take care of them.
No, father, I am disappointed in you.
Neanderthals and denisovans split from the ancestors of sapiens an estimated 800-340kya. they therefore had rather divergent genomes, with a larger difference than comparing sapiens populations today. Because these species lasted until rather recently were have been able to sequence their genomes and compare their genetics to our. We have observed that in Eurasian populations, between 1-3% of alleles are more similar to Neanderthal genes than african alleles, strongly suggesting introgression of these alleles by interbreeding with these extinct hominids. The highest rate is reportedly in Papuans where up to 7% of alleles are denisovan (https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(19)30218-1.pdf).However, some African populations do not carry any introgressed genes, while others are thought to carry some admixture with unknown archaic hominids.
Now in the flood myth, all extant human populations are derived from a single family. If the sapiens-neandethal admixture happened BEFORE the flood, then all populations should have neandethal admixture. If the admixture happened AFTER the flood, why are there no neandethal fossils, tools after 32kya and why is there no mention in the bible or any other literature?
A bit out of my depth here, sorry if I am asking the wrong community, but here goes: when I see summaries of the Sumerian flood story they say Ishtar put a rainbow in the sky to remind the gods not to destroy the world again. But when I read the epic I donβt see the name Ishtar and thereβs a cryptic line about a lapis lazuli necklace. Am I reading the wrong version? Am I just not capable of understanding the line? Any wisdom would be welcome!
I mean why do so many flood myths exist throughout the world?
