Spain is accusing the European Union of "treacherous" action on Gibraltar, a disputed territory on Spain's southern coast, ahead of Sunday's Brexit signing-off summit. thehill.com/policy/intern…
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Katya Adler: 1) How much of a threat is the Spain/Gibraltar question to the #Brexit summit on Sunday? This issue has the potential to be either a) huge or b) to disappear in to a puff of smoke
  1. How much of a threat is the Spain/Gibraltar question to the #Brexit summit on Sunday? This issue has the potential to be either a) huge or b) to disappear in to a puff of smoke

  2. Spain feels hoodwinked. Gibraltar is of huge national interest (and hurt pride) for many Spaniards. Many at the very least saw an opportunity with #Brexit to gain considerable influence over the Rock

  3. At the beginning of #Brexit negotiations Spain was promised that no decisions could be taken over the future of Gibraltar without consultation with Spain which is why throughout the negotiations process, there have been bilateral Spain-U.K. talks in parallel

  4. BUT when EU-U.K. talks reached an impasse over the Irish border backstop, Barnier and his team proposed going into a β€˜tunnel’ - blocking out political and media noise to maximise chances of sealing a deal. It is in that tunnel time that Spain feels it was β€˜betrayed’

  5. Suddenly the Irish backstop became a U.K.-wide customs area - meaning it was potentially straying in to post-#Brexit trade deal territory. Neither there in that text, nor in the draft of the political declaration on EU-UK future relations was there mention of Gibraltar

  6. Spain feels its positive attitude in the EU-U.K. bilateral talks was now being taken for granted and that their concerns over Gibraltar were being β€˜sacrificed’ to give an extra something to the U.K. in negotiations. The European Commission denies this

  7. But Spain is not alone in feeling that their national interests were ignored during β€˜tunnel’ negotiations. France, Denmark and the Netherlands feel let down by their EU negotiators over pinning down ongoing fishing rights in U.K. waters after #Brexit for example

  8. Spanish PM Sanchez is hugely pro-European. Sees himself as a bit of a Macron #2. It’s not in his nature to scupper EU plans or an EU summit. Remember when Italy’s Salvini refusedto taken in migrant boats, Sanchez was the first to volunteer help BUT

  9. He’s under a lot of domestic pressure over Gibraltar and he heads a minority government. It’s just possible he’s learned from Salvini - if you dig in your heels in the EU, you can get results. Remember the EU thought it possible to hold the #Brexit summit in December instead..

  10. The Commission thinks this can be solved without reopening the #Brexit texts by noting Spain’s insistence on continuing U.K.-Madrid bilateral talks regarding post-Brexit relations in a declaration added to the texts or other EU formulas

  11. It’

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πŸ‘€︎ u/00890
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Spain will vote against the European Union's draft Brexit deal on Sunday unless it is modified to make clear that the future of the disputed British territory of Gibraltar relies on talks between Madrid and London, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said. reuters.com/article/us-br…
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πŸ“…︎ Nov 20 2018
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Spain set to vote against Brexit deal unless Gibraltar negotiations included. This would effectively kill the entire deal. bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/britboy4321
πŸ“…︎ Nov 20 2018
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British embassador on Spain: "Gibraltar status will not change after Brexit". elcorreoweb.es/movil/anda…
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Britain and the European Union have agreed a draft text setting out a close post-Brexit relationship, though wrangling with Spain over control of Gibraltar must still be settled before EU leaders meet on Sunday in order to rubber-stamp the pact. uk.reuters.com/article/uk…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/ionised
πŸ“…︎ Nov 23 2018
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Interesting read on Gibraltar: What Brexit means to Gibraltar and the people of β€˜The Rock’ wikitribune.com/story/201…
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πŸ“…︎ Feb 22 2018
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Gibraltar warns it could rescind citizens rights if Spain uses veto on Brexit deal theguardian.com/world/201…
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πŸ“…︎ Mar 16 2018
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Gibraltar the treaty of Utrecht, the EU, Spain and brexit

The Spanish handed over sovereignty of Gibraltar port to the British forever. This was from the treaty of Utrecht.

But just the PORT, not the rest of the peninsula.

So the original town area is entirely British free & clear. So of the current 6.7 square km of Gibraltar peninsula, the UK rightfully holds the deed to a 0.4 square km stretch along the coast in the north west of the land territory as well as the navigational approaches.

So while the UK has a right to this, they never had any right to the rest of the pinninsula, which over time they have settled population on & thus while appearing democratic to British people to have a vote where most say they want to stay British, it is irrelevant as it was basically just a finders keepers referendum where British people settled on stolen land and voted to keep the stolen land.

The Spanish despute with gibraltar is mostly the seas around it. Which having the whole peninsula allows the UK to add insult to injury & steal quite a bit of extra sea territory off Spain. Basically after Brexit, if it is kept & no deal on jurisdiction is reached after Brexit. Then people from Algeciras will have to sail 40–60km around Gibraltar to avoid British claimed territory.

So over the past 304 years of the British being unrelenting dickheads over the issue & not returning to the actual treaty terms of Utrecht 1715. The Spanish argument has devolved into the just as unsophisticated argument of give it back & fuck off back home.

Which in fairness is kind of fair as the treaty is only valid if its terms are kept.

By not sticking to the port & stealing the rest, they basically invalidated their own claim via the treaty to be there at all.

Unsurprisingly the UK not honouring treaties & breaking its word & engaging in skullduggery is kind of a British trait.

After all the UK didnt get the international moniker down the centuries of β€œPerfidious Albion” for nothing. For those who dont recognise the phrase. It was very common the world over pre WW1. It basically ment the British where fundamentally & inherently untrustworthy & never met a treaty they wouldnt break & then spend centuries bickering about later.

Note the UK very recently land grabbed Diego Garcia well because the UK was bigger and more powerful than their opponents.

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πŸ“…︎ Feb 03 2020
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Spain accused of causing Gibraltar traffic jams amid Brexit tensions - British enclave’s deputy leader says Spanish police deliberately causing trouble for motorists on its border with the mainland theguardian.com/world/201…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/ManiaforBeatles
πŸ“…︎ Apr 06 2017
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European Gibraltar - Spain is taking a firm approach to talks about the future of the British Overseas Territory after Brexit elpais.com/elpais/2020/01…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/Dutchlawyer
πŸ“…︎ Jan 07 2020
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Forget Gibraltar. I just can't wait until it suddenly dawns on someone during Brexit negotiations that Akrotiri and Dhekelia exist.
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πŸ‘€︎ u/Thodor2s
πŸ“…︎ Jun 26 2017
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Spain and Britain set date to negotiate on post-Brexit Gibraltar elpais.com/elpais/2019/12…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/refuwu
πŸ“…︎ Dec 24 2019
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Gibraltar says leaked Brexit warnings out of date and wrong uk.reuters.com/article/uk…
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πŸ“…︎ Aug 18 2019
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EU struggles to agree on Gibraltar before Brexit summit reuters.com/article/us-br…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/MoisesDunk
πŸ“…︎ Nov 23 2018
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Spain accuses UK of treachery over Gibraltar Brexit deal theguardian.com/world/201…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/Aschebescher
πŸ“…︎ Nov 23 2018
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Spain's PM announces 'deal on Gibraltar', will back Brexit text rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/ainbheartach
πŸ“…︎ Nov 24 2018
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Lewis Goodall - "Guess what: if Brexit is reversed, it will be used by the far right. If ANY deal is reached on Brexit it will be used by the far right (amidst claims of betrayal). If there's a no deal Brexit that (and its effects) will be used by the far right. The genie is out of the bottle." twitter.com/lewis_goodall…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/chowieuk
πŸ“…︎ Jan 13 2019
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EU leaders demand deal on GIBRALTAR as they give UK NEW Brexit hurdle | UK | News express.co.uk/news/uk/981…
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πŸ“…︎ Jun 29 2018
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Spain says agreement reached on Gibraltar status in Brexit negotiations | Reuters reuters.com/article/us-br…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/Petemcfuzzbuzz
πŸ“…︎ Oct 18 2018
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Spain seeks tougher legal guarantees on Gibraltar in Brexit deal ft.com/content/1e551f02-b…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/ainbheartach
πŸ“…︎ Sep 17 2018
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Spain accuses UK of treachery over Gibraltar Brexit deal theguardian.com/world/201…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/idarknight
πŸ“…︎ Nov 22 2018
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Outrage as Spain and EU accused of using Brexit to take back Gibraltar, as MPs say Britain will 'not be bullied' telegraph.co.uk/news/2017…
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πŸ‘€︎ u/ZmajLee
πŸ“…︎ Mar 31 2017
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Spain threatens to vote No on Brexit deal over Gibraltar dw.com/en/spain-threatens…
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