Argument in brief:
- If any book is "corrupt" by Muslim standards it is Isaiah.
- Muslims cite Isaiah to validate Mohammed's prophecy
- Muslims cannot justify defending Isaiah while using the exact same sort of scholarship to dismiss other books (that are less problematic) when they disprove Islamic claims
- The Muslim position is inconsistent, self-serving and thus can safely be ignored.
Main argument.
This happened again in the Mohammed Hijab/Jordan Peterson discussion where he cited Isaiah as predicted Mohammed. But this is an old argument, the modern version goes back to at least the 80s with Muhammad in the Bible from Jamal Badawi.
There have been many refutations of the argument that Isaiah 42 or Isaiah 21 mention Mohammed, so I don't go over it again.
What I wish to argue is that Isaiah is broadly agreed by most scholars (and this argument goes back three centuries) to not be the sole product of the prophet Isaiah but also of later writers appending their own views unto his text.
The work is generally divided into first Isaiah (the work of the prophet), second or deutero-Isaiah (the work of an exilic author century later) and third or trito-Isaiah (the work of a post-exilic author even later)
This is the broad consensus in scholarship and is so influential that even commentaries of Isaiah split up the books based on the different writers. Of the Biblical books it may not be as clearly a result of later editing as Daniel but it's up there.
Normally, this is the sort of thing Muslims point at and say: "see?!! If this is not corruption, what is?"
Yet ,oddly, in this one case Muslim apologists are happy to put aside the standards of criticism they hold against any book in the Bible that goes against Islam and cite Isaiah as proof of Mohammed's prophethood. But Isaiah is much more evidently "corrupt" than many of the books they ridicule (e.g. the New Testament Gospels which did not undergo a process of revision to suit new political and religious circumstances.
How can anyone maintain intellectual honesty and consistency while citing both Isaiah and the criticisms of the Bible by its scholars?
Christians and Jews can always escape by claiming that the entire work was inspired by God, even across centuries. Muslims have no such escape for two reasons:
- the polemic of corruption goes back to the Qur'an which castigates Jews and Christians for changing words from their context or hiding the Bible. Muslims can't disagree
Do your worst!
It really does, I swear!
For context I'm a Refuse Driver (Garbage man) & today I was on food waste. After I'd tipped I was checking the wagon for any defects when I spotted a lone pea balanced on the lifts.
I said "hey look, an escaPEA"
No one near me but it didn't half make me laugh for a good hour or so!
Edit: I can't believe how much this has blown up. Thank you everyone I've had a blast reading through the replies 😂
They’re on standbi
Pilot on me!!
Buenosdillas
Dad jokes are supposed to be jokes you can tell a kid and they will understand it and find it funny.
This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.
If it needs a NSFW tag it's not a dad joke. There should just be a NSFW puns subreddit for that.
Edit* I'm not replying any longer and turning off notifications but to all those that say "no one cares", there sure are a lot of you arguing about it. Maybe I'm wrong but you people don't need to be rude about it. If you really don't care, don't comment.
When I got home, they were still there.
What did 0 say to 8 ?
" Nice Belt "
So What did 3 say to 8 ?
" Hey, you two stop making out "
I won't be doing that today!
You take away their little brooms
This morning, my 4 year old daughter.
Daughter: I'm hungry
Me: nerves building, smile widening
Me: Hi hungry, I'm dad.
She had no idea what was going on but I finally did it.
Thank you all for listening.
There hasn't been a post all year!
It’s pronounced “Noel.”
After all his first name is No-vac
What, then, is Chinese rap?
Edit:
Notable mentions from the comments:
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Spanish/Swedish/Swiss/Serbian hits
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French/Finnish art
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Country/Canadian rap
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Chinese/Country/Canadian rock
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Turkish/Tunisian/Taiwanese rap
There hasn't been a single post this year!
(Happy 2022 from New Zealand)
Nothing, it just waved
Bob
So that I could frequently say, "I am going to walk 5 miles now."
Edit: My most popular post on Reddit! 😀 Thank you for the awards.
Just to clarify, 12345678
Me grabbing a soda from my (what I thought was) half full 12pk...
Notices there's only 2;
Me: "Awe man... This is a damn bird box!" Her: "What the hell does that mean?!" Me: (Pulls both cans out & shows them to her) "It's only got Toucans."
I'm not ashamed to admit the look on her face was glorious.
I was just sitting there doing nothing.
“BOOM”?!
"That's what they're fighting about."
Because his Visa didn’t work.
Because the audience only responds in a low ha
A happy Uncle.....
