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Legit question. They are a militaristic warrior race that are, quite possibly, the worst shots in the Whovian world. The Doctor her/him self typically don't even deal with them, it's usually up to the companions or random citizens to outwit and defeat them. Usually while doing so they make the Sontarans look like keystone cops, wacking them with a wok or whatever.

As we have seen in the Chibnall Era, there have been a trend of Redesigning Iconic villains by taking their classic designs and giving them an update through updated prosthetics and polishing. We have seen The Sontarans, Sea Devils, and Cyberman, both Mondasian and Invasion. What Villain should be given similar treatment.

IMO, I’d like to see the Silurians, as it would be cool to see their original design comeback, opposed to the one we say in the Moffat Era. I’d also like to see a complete resign of the Cyberman drawing back to my favorite incarnation of the Moonbase/Tomb; we have been using the NIS design for almost a Decade and I think it would be great for the Cyberman to come back with a New design and become a threat not used as pawns by someone like the Master.

With it looking likely that season 22 is the next Blu-ray release, I'm wondering whether or not it will include A Fix With Sontarans.

The urge for completeness would say yes. But the Savile connection surely counts against it.

What do you think?

Okay, the last season that ended yesterday heavily featured Sontarans, so I wanted to focus on that for a bit. A short note: I have not seen the classic DW series, so I can't really comment on their portrayal there.

Sontarans are quite different from mainstay villains like Daleks or Cybermen. Those are based on certain ideologies, like facism or the fear of technology. In contrast, the Sontarans are shown as "Jocks of the universe". They fight for the joy of fighting, are quite single-minded in their behaviour and don't spend time on distractions like emotion (even though they clearly have them). They can be good strategists, but will in general prefer a good battle over a sneak attack. This can come across as one-note, but can be used in interesting ways.

Sontarans used to get quite a bad reputation in the Moffat era, because they were never used as a central villain. Instead there was Strax. 1 Sontaran that was separated from his fleet and mostly served as comic relief. People were a bit fussy about this portrayal, since they generally felt that it made the Sontarans less threathening as villains. Add to this the fact that Sontarans are basically all clones of each other, and you can see where that worry came from.

In this season, the Sontarans came back as main villains for 2 of the 6 stories. I feel like the first did their portrayal the best. They showed clear millitary strategy and killed a soldier that failed his mission, but they still showed delight from battle. They also showed the inherent silliness that comes from that approach, but did so in a generally menacing way. Making it threathening because you know they take themselves very seriously. This comes to light the most in the "I wanted to ride a horse" line.

It wasn't perfect. A lot of the plot relied on a sudden "recharge weakness", where sontarans suddenly decide to all go rest up at the same time. This was never a thing, and seeing as the sontarans do have a sense on strategy, doesn't make a lot of sense. I guess it could be reasonable if they connect it to the cloning? But I don't think it would be a strong case. There are loads of other annoyances to be had with the plot, but the Sontarans aren't really the problem there.

The last episode also featured the Sontarans as the main threat (I guess the giant explosions just didn't get to them?). I think this portrayal was a little weaker. I don't think the Sontarans would be smart enough to set up a giant trap for the Daleks and Cybe

War of the Sontarans

7.9

The standard deviation is 1.81

This places it well above average for Doctor Who, both Chibnall era (92nd percentile) and overall (72nd percentile). The was above average for divisiveness overall (66nd percentile) and well below for Chibnall (25th).

Flux: Once, Upon Time

6

The standard deviation is 2.65

This places it well below average for Doctor Who, both Chibnall era (33rd percentile) and overall (18th percentile). The was amongst our most divisive episodes both overall (97th percentile) and for Chibnall era (96th).

/r/Gallifrey's average across every story is 7.0. See the following table for a comparison to recent episodes:

Why are the Sontarans blue in Tennant's era but now back to the original silver costume? Is there an in-universe explanation for this?

This is a reboot of a series of DWR (Doctor Who Reviews) I posted from May 2019 to October 2019, also including episodes during Series 12’s air-date. While I previously rated all 166 episodes as “how good they are at being Doctor Who”, I will now be rating them as “how good they are as TV”.

I really don't remember liking this story so much, and yet here I am awarding it a pretty generous score! The Sontarans have come under flak in recent years for their polarising depiction during the Moffat Era; Strax is a likeable-enough side character but I do concur with the masses that the comedy aspect is dialed up perhaps too much, and while he is funny at times, it has the detrimental effect of making Sontarans overall look less threatening. Do they need to look threatening when they resembled baked potatoes? I'd argue yes so; there's a really nice balance between comedy and horror presented in this Sontaran two-parter and Staal's introduction scene is paramount to that. He shows up, immediately talks down up to two soldiers (one of whom plays Rollo in Vikings), offs their legs, then belittles them in why he's a much better soldier. Even with the knowledge that the Daleks and Cybermen are, probably, much more intimidating forces of evil, the Sontarans present themselves as genuinely frightening with how brave and stubborn they are. This is even better in the next part where 10 tries to offer them a way out and Staal just keeps insulting him for being a coward; it's like a less nuanced version of the core argument in The Parting Of The Ways, so still quite watchable.

Less watchable are flashback scenes. This isn't really an issue with just The Sontaran Stratagem, which has an extended sequence of Donna Noble walking down a street having flashbacks of things from 2-3 episodes ago; in Last Of The Timelords this method of storytelling is absolutely egregious. Martha Jones (who returns in a decent role in this story) has flashbacks to things that we - the audience - basically just saw. At best it hampers the pacing and at worst it insults the viewer's intelligence and capacity to hold basic information. This is absolutely a small thing but I really don't have too much to say on this episode overall so I have to bulk out my word count somehow.
That isn't to say that Stratagem is at all bad in any way - I honestly really enjoyed it, but Helen Raynor's two-parter is very unremarkable. While entertaining, it absolutely blends into the litany of other

It was really weird. When the Doctor was trying to talk down the Sontaran, before he said that he wanted to ride a horse, she turned to the camera and said, "(my full legal name and address). I need you to stab your wife and commit other felonies. It's the only way to stop the Flux." Really bizarre. Is this some sort of allusion to Lungbarrow? Maybe it's a reference to Zagreus? Let me know what yall thought of this moment.

I am just curious.

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This was released sometime last month (?) and I’ve just gotten around to listening to it for the first time. Not completely sure what my verdict is on this story though it’s as strange as the cover implies.

The Great Sontaran War

Torchwood monthly range is consistently good and I love that they’re able to so artfully mesh serious subject matter with outrageous humour… Normally this works really well, but in this instance, I’m not sure that it did.

You can read the synopsis at the above ^ link but essentially (spoilers):

>!Ianto assists a lone Sontaran (Major Kreg) in integrating into human society, and liberating the residents of Mumbles Bay Caravan Park from the unpleasant character that is Mr. Higgins. Through his experiences here, Major Kreg makes new friends, adopts a cat, learns that capitalism is bad, and that despite humans being overall quite shit, some people are really actually lovely.!<

Admittedly this story made me smile at several points throughout, it’s funny, but it felt like one of those almost-nightmares wherein you sort of want to find out how the dream ends, but also hoping that at any minute you’ll wake up.

So I’m not sure what this post is, but my thoughts are that Sontarans work really well in the Doctor Who Universe (and the Paternoster Gang spin-off) but are poorly suited to Torchwood. It just felt way off and I felt as uncomfortable and sad listening to this as Ianto Jones did participating in it.

From the i Paper:

>No previews were available, so it's unclear how Chris Chibnall's six-part story goes from there to the Crimean War, but that is where the Doctor, Yaz and new companion Dan (John Bishop) find themselves, in a storyline that includes the 1850s British army doing battle with Sontarans, and the British-Jamaican nurse Mary Seacole.

Could be misconstrued. What do you think?

SPOILERS FOR THE NEW EPISODE! (i think)

did anyone else find it really funny how they replaced russia with "sontaran" (not meant to be offensive)

If The time wave that happened in Liverpool caused all the Sontarans ships to be erased from human history. This means that the events of The Crimean War did not happened in the first place And the timeline has been corrected by Replacing the Sontarans with the Russians

SYNOPSIS:

The Great Sontaran War has raged across the cosmos for millennia and finally it is coming to the Earth.

Major Kreg has been dispatched to carry out a strategic assessment of the planet. He will learn about the dominant life form, decide what the world has to offer, and discover the ultimate value of the human race.

For Torchwood, there is only one place to put him. Welcome to the Mumbles Bay Caravan Park.

Read more here.

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Basically fanservice things you're itching to see on the screen.

I'd like to see Susan again at some point; they should really get on that before Carole Anne Ford dies.

In general, I think they could afford to insert more older companions into the show.

I'd like another, better exploration of the TARDIS interior.

And I know it can never be done justice, but I'd like to see the time war. A suitable compromise could be seeing like the aftermath of a battlefield in the time war where time is all funky or something. Or perhaps not the time war proper, but one of the entities in the time war like maybe the nightmare child escaped or something. But I doubt they could pull it off tbh.

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War of the Sontarans

7.8

The standard deviation is 1.86

This places it well above average for Doctor Who, both Chibnall era (92nd percentile) and overall (72nd percentile). The was above average for divisiveness overall (66nd percentile) and well below for Chibnall (25th).

Flux: Once, Upon Time

6.2

The standard deviation is 2.52

This places it well below average for Doctor Who, both Chibnall era (33rd percentile) and overall (26th percentile). The was well above average for divisiveness overall (92nd percentile) and well below for Chibnall (92nd).

/r/DoctorWho's average across every story is 6.9. See the following table for a comparison to recent episodes: