[Orbital Mechanics] Specific energy and Visa Vis equation

Just for clarification. I'm not enrolled and refamiliarizing myself with the content by going through a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering students (4th Ed). Anyways the problem is asking to show r <= mu/|epsilon| when epsilon < 0. Using the Vis Viva equation I showed assuming epsilon is negative, r is forced to be less than or equal to mu/|epsilon| otherwise |v| < 0 which is impossible. I checked the answer on Chegg (because I don't have a professor to get the answers from after i try and solve myself) and they started off from Vis Viva and getting r=2mu/v^2 but then just throw in |epsilon| =0.5mv^2 and divide by m to get specific energy but still called it |epsilon| I'm confused on how, based on Vis Viva, epsilon is total mechanical energy, and they just used the magnitude of epsilon being 0.5mv^2 which is total kinetic energy. Did they just assume r was going out to infinity? It feels weird to just throw that in there without a justification on why that's allowed. Personally, i liked my own reasoning through it, but the Chegg answer has me thinking I'm missing something on a more fundamental way.

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NFT Collection 43 Γ— 1/1 Atomic Orbitals- First NFT to mix quantum mechanics equations and NFTs https://opensea.io/collection/atomic-orbitals v.redd.it/z7av0m6l00681
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[OCR B A Level] Why is the equation for orbital velocity "v=sqrt(GM/r)"?

I've been working through some questions and now I'm confused. GM/r represents the gravitiational potential energy lost bringing a unit mass object from infinity to r, but at the same time KE = 1/2mv^(2), so why is the equation not:

1/2v^(2)=GM/r

v=sqrt(2GM/r)

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Visualization of the quantum eigenstates of a particle confined in 3D wells, made by solving the SchrΓΆdinger equation, illustrating what molecular orbitals can look like. I also uploaded the source code that allows you to solve it for an arbitrary potential! youtube.com/watch?v=eCk8a…
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I understand hybridization, and the steric number equation for sp, sp2, and sp3 hybridizations, but can someone explain or share resource to understand when a hybridization involves d orbitals?

I have seen many practice questions involving answers being d orbital answers, such as sp2d, when does this occur and why?

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What are the actual applications of the SchrΓΆdinger equation (e.g. explaining the shape of orbitals or helping to create high energy lasers I think I've heard before)?

I'm in year 12 (lower 6th) and doing an essay on the SchrΓΆdinger equation, and one of the topics is going to be it's applications but I'm finding typing that into Google is far too broad so I thought I'd come here to narrow it down.

So far I've done particle in a box with the time independant equation, and I'll probably describe how the electron wave equation exists as a standing wave around the nucleus with integer wavelengths, but I haven't found much linking it to orbitals in the way that I'd hoped. Do I need to look into the 3 dimensional version, or integrating over a sphere? Seems like everywhere I look involves slightly different equations and ways it's used.

Thanks for the help.

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Two of my friends collaborated on this incredible audiovisual experiment - by using the equations relating to the orbital patterns of the Kepler 90 solar system in Supercollider, the result is a deeply immersive ambient journey of the third kind (headphones recommended!) youtu.be/Uthpg0Rk8mo
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Late 1950s/Early 60s: Mathematician and trailblazer Katherine Johnson calculating spacecraft trajectories by hand! Astronaut John Glenn trusted her more than computers, and her accuracy in orbital mechanics equations helped NASA to fly the first men to the moon.
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Regarding exobiology and Drake's equation: Would a civilization originating on a close orbiting tidally-locked planet (like the Trappist-1 system) have an easier or harder time achieving space travel because of the insane orbital speed of their planet? E.g.- does the speed of their orbit help/hurt?
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Electron orbital transition energy? Is this equation from Kaplan right?
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Orbital mechanics is fun! For those who don't know, the vis viva equation means the "living force" equation.
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Hydrogen orbital radial distribution function equation

Here's my interactive simulation of the hydrogen orbital radial distribution function that I constructed using the formula I found online. The Generalized Laguerre and Associated Legendre polynomials are not automatically supported by Desmos, so I searched for them and merged the formulas together. The x gives the distance from the center of the atomic nucleus, while the y give the probability density for the electron to be located at that distance. Complex behaviors of the distribution that can arise, starting from the distribution for the p orbital, at varying points when the magnetic quantum number and the phi angle are not zero (likely to account for other dimensions) were rendered in terms of red and blue for real and imaginary parts. I wonder how you think about this representation.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kapzs3jyni

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Orbital mechanics is fun! ("Vis viva" in the vis viva equation means "living force".)
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A friend got this t shirt for me, said it was right up my street. Ashamed to say I don't fully recognise the equation! It looks like some sort of orbital speed vs volume/size equation? Am I being thick?
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S,p,d, f orbitals and the Schrodinger equation

Why can every single element be described using s,p,d and f orbitals? From my insubstantial understanding, an orbital is merely a region of space where there is a probability of 0.9 or some other constant of finding the electron. And we find the probability for that particular orbital from solving the wavefunction in time dependent Schrodinger equation.

However, different elements have different potentials, why then are the 1s orbitals (or any other orbitals) for any 2 elements the same? Why can we conveniently express electronic configuration for any element so systematically?

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An interesting way to learn molecular orbitals without equations πŸ™‚ youtu.be/r32S0DiGGzs
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Saw orangeicon's post and thought I'd share my orbital mechanics equation sheet with you all! imgur.com/gallery/DiIctcd
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I just had a friend tell me that the same equation used to find the escape velocity of Earth is the same equation used to find the velocity an electron needs to break out of an orbital. Does this mean the force holding an electron in an orbital is similar to the force of gravity on Earth?

If the same equation is used for both problems, then i imaginne something has to be the same or similar for that to work. The only thing I could think of is the forces being the same or similar. Is my assumption correct?

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YART (Yet Another Rocketry Thread), but let's talk about orbital mechanics and the rocket equation first

So, I found this nifty page http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/engines.php explaining the basics of rocket performance and the trajectories you can use with various levels of delta v.

I've noticed many hard scifi enthusiasts always assume that every spaceship either uses very slow Hohmann transfers and painstakingly obey launch windows or some even lower energy trajectory or just do a full brachistrome trajectory ("flip and burn") using a high thrust. This is not the case, not even now (the Voyagers and New Horizons used a hyperbolic trajectory aided by gravity slingshots - a Hohmann transfer to Pluto would take 20 years - but due to the very low Isp of chemical rockets they had no chance of slowing down and entering orbit).

If you have a highly efficient, powerful drive (say, a gas core nuclear drive, or a fusion drive) that nevertheless does not quite have the Isp or thrust to maintain constant thrust, you can use very fast hyperbolic trajectories to go around the Solar system. It does not make sense in The Expanse that the time to arrive to Mars before the Epstein drive with a normal fusion rocket was 4 months - there is absolutely no reason why a fusion drive with a minimum Isp of about 10000 s. would use slow Hohmann transfer orbit unless you really wanted to save fuel.

An interplanetary society like the one portrayed in The Expense does not NEED the Epstein drive even if it is a nice thing to have - the first fusion spaceships that we will construct IRL (if we don't screw up our civilization before that) will certainly not be Epstein style torchships, but even a "weak" fusion drive would open up the Solar system. The Isp at which going on fast hyperbolic trajectories around the Solar system (without gravity assists and with the intention of braking) becomes worth it is about 10000 s or 1/100 of an Epstein drive, and even with less Isp your launch window widens until it becomes irrelevant. Best chemical rockets, unfortunately, have only a 450 s. Isp. We really need atomic (fission first, then fusion) and electric propulsion to open up the Solar system.

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PSA: Orbital Timing Equations

What's the biggest issue with relay networks? Losing sync! That is one satelite catching up to another. Annoying! If they're a bit more eccentric than each other or on a bit of an angle, that doesn't matter so long as their orbital periods are fine.

Now, as we all know (jk, wiki)

T = 2 PI sqrt(r^3/mu)

where T is the orbital period, and r is the semi major axis of the orbit and mu is the gravitational constant of the body we're orbiting, which you can look up (3.5316Γ—10^12 for Kerbin).

How to find r though? It's just the average of the Apoapsis and Periapsis, plus the radius of kerbin, (Ap+Pe)/2 + 6e5. As it's the only thing that we can control in the equation, the TLDR: make all your satellites have equal Ap+Pe and they'll stay in sync.

Bonus: How much will my Sats go out of sync?

Calculate the above T for each of your satellites, and take the difference between them. Then

360*4*(T1 - T2)/(T1+T2)^2

will give the number of degrees it will go out per second, multiply by 3600*6 to get degrees per day. For example (follow along at home!):

Ap=2643365, Pe=2632488 =&gt; T1= 1.94802530E+04
Ap=2645892, Pe=2630129 =&gt; T2= 1.94810111E+04

T1-T2=0.758 sec difference.

360*4*(T1-T2)/(T1+T2)^2 * 3600 * 6 = 0.0155 deg/day

0.0155^o per day is around 7^o per year, not too bad! To really refine those numbers you can always thrust limit your propulsion to really get it right.

Edit: Forgot to add the radius of Kerbin in the axis calc.

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[HELP] I need help deriving a orbital mechanics equation.

I found an equation for the maximum eclipse period for a satellite around a planet in an elliptical orbit. I now cannot find where I got it. Does someone know how to derive it or know where I can reference to use the equation in some of my course work?

T = (P * R * cos^(2)(Thi/2) * Thi) / ( Pi * a^(2) sqrt(1- e^(2)))

Where T = the eclipse period

P = Orbital period

Thi is the angle from the centre of the planet to the point of the orbit where it enters and exits eclipse

a = semi-major axis

e = eccentricity

R = the radius at the beginning and end of the eclipse

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Can you use the torque equation for orbital calculations?

Maybe im just over simplifying, i feel like it could work. Like centripetal force

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Why can't we solve the SchrΓΆdinger equation for molecular orbitals?

In my University Chemistry class we were discussing molecular orbital theory, and how scientists use trial functions to determine the lowest energy configurations of molecular orbitals because the SchrΓΆdinger Equation for the molecular orbitals is impossible to solve. Is there a layman's (ish) explanation for why this is the case?

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Can someone recommend another orbital mechanics textbook which is easy to understand, but similar i.e equations to that of Horward D. Curtis?

Thanks in advance.

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Help with orbital radius equation!

Was tryna calculate a radius for a sattlite that has a orbital period of 2 hours and I keep screwing up. Please help me I am new to these equations. Thank you

Provided( 2 hour orbital period, Exact polar orbit) Thank you

Please comment if you need more information.

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Co-orbital Planets, Adding Moons to the equation, and putting them around co-orbital stars.

I want to create fantasy world setting that takes place on 4 seperate celestial bodies; two moons and two planets. The two planets are co-orbital and of about equal size and mass, and they are in orbit around co-orbital stars, each roughly the size of our sun, at about the same distance as our earth. To make this even crazier, I've decided that as these two planets orbit, a pair of moons zip along in figure 8s around them, ideally in such a pattern as to avoid collision. I know very little about astrophysics in general, and, avoiding whether or not this series of circumstances is actually possible, what sort of crazy things would result from such a setup? And is it possible for co-orbital planets to have a shared atmosphere in such a situation? Even if not, were it magically made so, what sort of impact would a shared atmosphere have? Thanks for your time and consideration!

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Approximate equation for this orbit. Question in comments.
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[Basic Orbital Mechanics] Could someone explain the derivation of the orbital velocity equation?

I know how to derive the velocity of a circular orbit, but what about the equation for an elliptical orbit? I'm not well versed in ellipse geometry so can someone explain this?

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Is there an equation that describes the gravity equivalent at the top of a, for instance, 200-story building on an 500-km diameter orbital (like in the Culture books, B5 or the Citadel?)

I've just started reading Consider Phlebas and Banks has just described an orbital. While the concept isn't new to me, I have for the first time wondered about a couple of things.

  1. Is the graduation of gravity equivalent force from the outer rim (say 1G) to the the centre of the orbital linear or exponential?

  2. My main question, is there some kind of equation where you can plug in orbital diameter, rotary speed, and distance from centre and calculate the gravitational pull of that?

I guess if you wanted to figure out the gravity at the top of this 200 story building you'd actually subtract the height of this story from the radius and, ignoring that actual diameter of the orbital (where gravity is 1G) just work it out from there?

My mathematics is pretty poor so if any of this doesn't make sense please ask and I can try to elaborate.

Edit: it seems as if the proper terminology is centripetal force (thank you LaserHorse)

Edit 2: Answer (velocity^2 / radius) http://larryniven.net/physics/img4.shtml (thanks ronin1066!)

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Deriving Orbital Equations

I'm trying to derive some equation(s) that describe one body orbiting around another. I realize that this has been done already, but I wanted to try it on my own with just first principles (Universal law of gravitation and F=ma). What I have so far:

A mass m orbiting mass M experiences an acceleration a = [;-\frac{MG\bar{p}}{|\bar{p}|^3} = \frac{d^2\bar{p}}{dt^2};]

This is my fundamental governing differential equation, from which I split the orthogonal vector p (position) into 2 different differential equations: [;r^3\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}+MGr=0;] and [;r^3\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}+MG\theta=0;]. The first one I can reformulate as [;r^2\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}=-MG;] and with a little thought, I thought of the solution [;r(t)=At^{2/3};] with [;A=\sqrt[3]{\frac{9MG}{2}};]

The problem with that, however, is that it has r(t) increasing without bound; I don't see how to allow for stable orbits with that. Now maybe that's because I need to solve [;r^2\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}=0;] or maybe I did something else wrong. In any case, where should I go from here?

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Equation for the sine-wave orbital path as determined by a point on the curve and an angle from that point?

I need to come up with an equation, and a friend suggested I post about it here. Seemed like just the thing to do, so here we go!

I'm trying to derive an equation that will help me draw a sine-wave-type graph, specifically the type that is used to show orbital flightpaths for the ISS and satellites and such, across a map in the Mercator projection. The input values should be the longitude and latitude of a point along the curve, and a 360-degree "heading" from that point.

Essentially, I want to be able to say "If I'm over New York City and angled at 20 degrees from north, what does my course across the world look like?"

Assume that the orbit is either instantaneous or at-pace with the Earth's rotation (which is to say, the path doesn't need to change with each orbit, a perfect circle/wave returning to the starting point is fine). Also assume a stable non-deteriorating orbit, and that we're working with standard longitude/latitude degree notation, from -180 to 180 and -90 to 90.

Can anyone help me out here? I'm sure there is an equation for this, it's complicated but fairly straightforward geometry, I'm just not fully up on my sines and cosines anymore...

Anyone have any ideas?

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We know the equations that govern the orbitals of planets around the sun. Is there an equation that governs the trajectory of an electron around the nucleus?

I've been trying to find an answer online but have been unsuccessful thus far.

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ELI5 -- If I had one atom of an element with an atomic mass that equates to 100 grams in front of me (ignore unstability), would I see the nucleus and electrons? If so, then how come we don't see objects around us as electrons orbiting nuclei, but as how we do actually see them?

Nuclei are tiny spheres, right? How do they make objects which are flat? How come one atom looks like electrons orbiting a nuclei, but millions of them make objects that we see not as electrons orbiting nuclei??

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Working on my game - Hooke's Spring Equations in action - Orbital Panic Shield Balls - YouTube youtube.com/watch?v=1Ay_N…
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Hooke's Spring Equations in action - Orbital Panic Shield Balls - YouTube youtube.com/watch?v=1Ay_N…
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The position of Saturn's rings indicates the season. Since Saturn's grand rings orbit along the planet's equator, these rings appear most prominent--from the direction of the Sun- -when the spin axis of Saturn points toward the Sun. When Saturn's spin axis points to the side, an equinox occurs.
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equation for orbiting a cosmic body?

Does anyone know of an equation I can use to calculate the velocity required to circularly orbit a body at a known distance? For context I am trying to figure out the effect of time dilation at different distances from a black hole.

Whilst I'm at it, does anyone have an equation for finding time dilation around a black hole? Thanks!

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So here's an idea: how about instead of the rockets building nodes and frames randomly, they'd start at the rotational equator (based on layer orientation) and work their way towards the poles? Would make more sense in terms of orbital mechanics.
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