Her voice is completely different than what I expected. I love her facial expressions and kind of unhinged, go-with-it attitude. Awesome hair too. She reminds me a lot of Kirk in some ways. Totally underrated captain! Tuvok is the perfect expression/mannerism mirror of Spock. He does the Vulcan "attitude" so well. His interactions with Neelix are hilarious. Can't believe I waited so long to watch this one
ive read a dozen times that one of voyager's weaker points was janeway's inconsistent character over several episodes and seasons.
i think its me but i dont see it. ive watched season after season again and again but i honestly still dont see it.
can someone shed some light and give me a good example of it?
Just putting this out there to help forgive myself. Thank you for listening.
So Voyager is the Trek I grew up with. It’s still my favorite trek. So thanks to prodigy I’m rewatching voyager again. Goddammit I love captain janeway. I think she suffers a little bit of men writing women syndrome, but damn do I love her she’s just such a badass and honestly my spirit animal. “I don’t want something better than coffee! I want coffee!”
This didn't apply to Naomi Wildman because Janeway was informed by Neelix that constantly bringing up the topic of a dead baby would be bad for the morale.
One of the biggest questions for me coming out of PICARD is what happened to Seven of Nine between "Endgame" and now. She's completely isolated, and she seems to have gone through an abusive relationship. How could either happen if Janeway was still a part of her life?
Now we are finally seeing Janeway again on Prodigy -- but only in virtual form. This is nothing unusual, as we know that the original EMH was based on its creator and they wanted to model the next one on Bashir. But depending on the exact timing of everything (which is still not clear), it could be very weird. After all, we'd assume that Admiral Janeway would be involved in any mission connected to the Delta Quadrant. Wouldn't it be weird for the crew to be interacting with the hologram version of her most of the time and then sometimes talking with the real one?
My unified theory is that Janeway is dead. That's why Seven withdrew into herself and was vulnerable to being manipulated by the woman on Freecloud. That's why she was chosen as the training hologram for the Protostar -- as a tribute to the late, great pioneer of the Delta Quadrant.
Obviously this theory could be undercut at any moment, but I think it makes sense as of now. What do you think?
Forget Prodigy; give her a live-action show. I have an idea for a premise:
Since she's an expert on Borg technology, they can do something where a disabled Borg cube is found somewhere, and being studied. She decides to help. Naturally, this would be a perfect opportunity for Seven of Nine to show up as well.
Maybe they could find ways to cameo some other characters from other Trek series... who else has interacted with the Borg? Maybe Lore... or if the actor isn't available, maybe they can get the guy who played his brother.
What do you think? Could a totally new idea like this work?
I’m 18 and just started watching all of the Star Trek series this year, so I haven’t rewatched them a bunch of times or anything lol. I also think I’m probably a different age than a lot of people that enjoy Star Trek. I just wanted to share a few of my opinions. I started watching Star Trek to try to fill the void that Farscape left </3. (It hasn’t, but they are still great.) The order Ive watched the shows in is Voyager up to s3, then all of Enterprise, rest of Voyager, end of s5 of DS9, and I’m getting close to the end of s5 of TNG. I’m also almost finished with season one of TOS, but I watched that the most inconsistently. So far my rankings of them are-
- Enterprise + Voyager
- TNG
- DS9 (sorry, maybe my opinion will change when I finish, but I doubt it)
My favorite captain is definitely Captain Janeway though. I’ve seen a lot of hate or dislike about how her character was written and her morals are inconsistent. I don’t think that’s super unrealistic either that people’s morals are always changing and situational, but as Im watching TNG, I can’t help but think Picard is the same. His morals seem to fluctuate the same as Janeways did. In my opinion, a lot of people are overly critical to Janeway because shes a woman.
Also, I don’t think Patrick Stewart is the best actor in all of Star Trek because I do see that said a lot. He is great though. In general, I enjoyed the actors in Voyager more than TNG, but I think that is also an unpopular opinion.
And finally, Janeway was right about Tuvix! Loll I think I’ll make a post with my opinions when I’m done with them.
Picard was into archeology and later amateur fluting. Riker the trombone. Sisko was into baseball and cooking. Archer liked his dog and water polo.
What about Kathryn Janeway? I still don't have an idea of what she's interested in. What would you get her for Christmas?
I do remember an episode where she was sitting bedside with The Doctor while was going through a mental breakdown (long story, good episode) and she was curled up in a chair reading a book. It would've been neat to have her as a bookworm, quoting Upton Sinclair or Asimov or the Brontë sisters. Or something physical like rock climbing.
What hobby did she have? What interests should she have had based on her personality?
Drink lots of coffee and kill a whole timeline?
The Janeway has nothing to do with Kathryn Janeway. That would be The Janeway Way.
The Janeway refers to Jane Taylor who died on the NX-01 Enterprise during The Battle of Azeri Prime.
For more info on The Janeway, please refer to Trip’s letter to Jane’s parents.
There are two things we know about Janeway: 1) She really likes coffee, and 2) Killed Tuvix just to restore Neelix, and they kept finding ways to revive him everytime he died.
She doesn't just tolerate Neelix's presence, she actively made sure that he was around until just before they returned to Earth.
This is because Talaxians are like Asian Palm Civets and are able to process coffee beans in a way that Janeway hesitantly, but begrudgingly enjoyed.
It's not like the replicator stuff isn't canonically the same thing anyway.
Edit: Neelix is "him". Always with the title mishap.
Do it Kurtzman!!
Janeway is often considered an inconsistent character by this fandom, but I disagree. She has very consistent views and beliefs that she adheres to fanatically in almost every circumstances... but she is a hypocrite with certain blind spots.
She always puts outgroup compassion over ingroup solidarity. In other words, when she has a choice between what's best for her crew and what's best for literally anybody else they've encountered, she would reliably pick the latter.
Several examples:
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She opted to have her crew be stuck in the Delta Quadrant, rather than send them home at the expense of the Ocampa.
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She was prepared to let the two Vidians go with Neelix's stolen lungs. She condemned him to the life of paralysis, rather than kill an aggressor who took his organs from him.
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She wouldn't steal the tech that, as far as they all knew, would bring them back home. Tuvok had to do it for her. (The whole dilemma was rendered mute when it turned out the device was incompatible with their ship anyway, but that's beside the point.)
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She wouldn't take Q up on his offer of bringing Voyager home in exchange for denying another Q a right to suicide.
Remember: outgroup compassion > ingroup solidarity for captain Janeway. In her eyes, this is the ideal that every Starfleet officer should embody. From her crew, she demands sacrifices. To all others, she gives compassion.
That's why she made the decision to kill Tuvix but she wouldn't kill a vidian who stole Neelix's lungs. Tuvix was a being created from merging two of her crew members, who are always supposed to be ready to sacrifice themselves. The vidian was not.
That's why she went all psycho on Ransom and the Equinox crew. If they were just members of another hostile race like the hirogen, for instance, Janeway would have handled them in kid gloves, with full respect for their culture and every humane standard of the Federation rigorously upheld. Instead they were fellow Starfleet members who betrayed all of its ideals, and Janeway, who dedicated her life to those ideals, just couldn't stand it, so she broke her principals to punish others for breaking them. Like I said, a hypocrite.
However, there is no hypocrisy in her alliance with the Borg. At the time, she believed that species 8472 is out to destroy all life in this quadrant. Not asimilate some like the Borg does. Kill everyone.
She chose an alliance with a lesser evil to defeat a far more destructive one, and if returning Voyager home was
... keep reading on reddit ➡Riker was born 2335, Sisko 2332 and Janeway 2336 so Riker was a freshman when Sisko was a senior and a Sophomore when Janeway was a freshman.
Edit: Janeway attended with Sisko too. Late birthday somewhere maybe?
#kolvoordinsidejob
Tuvix wasn't Janeway's first victim, Joshua Albert already was collateral damage to Janeway's sex drive.
He needed something after Seven kicked him to the curb
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It's very noticeable Janeway has a maternal role with most of the crew, with the exception of Tuvok (who she views as her moral compass), and Chakotay (who she views more as her equal).
Janeway treats both 7 of 9 and Kes as her daughters, showing very obvious maternal concern for both of them when they were around. Her interactions with 7 of 9 in particular were amazing as the show went on and was always concerned 7 of 9 might regress back to the collective. She also treats B'elanna as her more independent "troubled teen" daughter where she gives her some space but also looks after her due to her temper.
In the same fashion Tom Paris is treated like her, "rebellious teen son" that she has to reprimand at times like when she demoted him to ensign and made him stay 30 days in the brig. And she flat out says to Ensign Kim in Season 5 that since he was fresh out of the academy that she was always, "more protective of him than the others."
Then you have Neelix who is the guide/chef who she also took under her wing, and of course some of the scenes she has with an actual child like Naomi Wildman. The Doctor also gets many of these maternal interactions too, especially in the eps there is something wrong with his program or the one he almost went insane after having to save Kim's life over the random crew member.
At the same time Janeway is strict but fair. She knows when she has to lay down the rules at her crew and be serious with them when she has to, but shows her caring and understanding side at others. In a way she also almost reminds me of a teacher in school with her schoolchildren. It's really noticeable compared to most of the other captains like Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Archer, etc.
At the end of the episode, the baby salamander creatures get left behind, while the Doctor administers anti-proton treatment to revert Janeway and Paris.
Might the same treatment have been used to turn the offspring human? Didn't the crew have the responsibility to try?
She's still teaching him a thing or two
Obviously the Harry Kim on the ship remained an Ensign.
Do you think we were meant to believe he was in love with her? It’s all so ambiguous
