Hello. So i was on TikTok and a saw a βChristianβ (black Hebrew Israelite) basically say that he wouldnβt be with a white woman and that God wouldnβt never send him a white woman because God doesnβt support interracial marriage. His ideas (supposedly) came from the Bible and extra biblical texts that arenβt in the Bible. Like Tobit. Is Tobit accepted, in extra biblical texts (appocraphya and stuff)is interracial marriage a sin, is it a sin in the Bible? Or basically any Christian or Jewish texts is interracial marriage a sin? Btw i fully support it myself
Basically the title. Do for example white Americans look specifically for white people to marry or you guys don't care as much?
As we all know black people were treated like they were some curse thanks to the curse of cain but do y'all still stand by that or?
I'm going to try to give as much information as possible while also being as vague as I can for obvious reasons. I've gotten to know this sister for the past 6 and she seems like an amazing person. Our rooted foundations are solid when it comes to religion. We don't have that many things in common except for the way we were raised (Same Country) and the related jokes we make. She's more rooted in the cultural aspect of things and thinks that certain things should be mapped out in a cultural way to respect her family and "how it's supposed to be done" but it doesn't contradict the Deen. If things were in my hand, I'd be very barebone and keep things solely Islamic, I'm not really a cultural guy. Given all this she's an amazing person and I don't know if I should break things off.
Here comes the emotional part. Before I met this sister, I really wanted to pursue this other sister (Different Country) but my family disagreed completely and refused to even meet them due to that. They were able to speak together one time over the phone which my family approved to speak to the sister but they refused citing "They're an amazing person, an amazing Muslim, but we don't agree with mixed marriages". The problem is that this sister and I are super relatable in many ways and their religious foundation is really strong. I feel like with this sister, I can envision a story that I could lay out to our kids that doesn't feel as powerful as the sister in the first paragraph. My family shackled me to only marrying people of my own ethnicity and I don't know what to feel or what to do anymore.
On one side I can make my family happy and I would be content possibly but on the other, I could "disappoint" them on one side (which they've mentioned they would cut ties with me) but I'd feel like I could laugh with this sister and make memories that we could tell our kids about. I just don't want to go to sleep one day thinking "Did I make the right choice?"
So i broke a rule and the comments got locked on a previous post. Sorry. But i wanted to answer a question someone asked. Where does the church actually discourage interacial marriage. Answer: it in the aaronic priesthood manual, available on the church's website
Its in the aaronic priesthood manual, in the chapter choosing an external companion. Hopefully the link works beleow
"Ask each young man to select what he thinks are the three most important attributes on the chalkboard. Take a vote to determine which areas the young men consider most important. Discuss why they voted the way they did. Compare the results of the vote with the following statement by President Spencer W. Kimball. Have a young man read it. βWe recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without questionβ (βMarriage and Divorce,β in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144)"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/34822_AaronicPriesthood3/ap3-31-choosing-an-eternal-companion_34.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjVjrKgyb_1AhVeKEQIHZGyCfMQFnoECAQQBg&usg=AOvVaw2ClDwHcGq34AC3UBUaeWXU
β’ r WorldNationalists posts video compilation titled "Revitalization of society needs to happen now." The video contrasts scenes from white children playing in 1950s suburbs with modern scenes of African Americans committing crimes (with emphasis on assaulting white people) as evidence of societal 'degeneracy.' Amongst the footage, there is also a scene criticizing interracial marriage, demonizing a boy wearing make up as well as supposed footage of a black man tying a noose around a white child's neck:
β’ This thread promotes a Canadian university student organization accusing Canada of 'anti-white racism' and denying human rights to whites:
What happens if China completely bans interracial marriage much as how North Korea does in order to βkeep the race pure and strongβ?
"U.S. Approval of Interracial Marriage at New High of 94%" as of 2021.
A direct link: https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx
Seeing this, do you think "this is believable, I can buy it, it's pretty great nowadays" or more like "bullshit, no way it's that high". Glass half full or half empty?
This is also worth noting:
>It's still weird that 3 out of every 50 Americans you meet are against it.
Could it be that maybe 6 - 10% of people against it are just spread out through the country? So every time you read a negative story or racism or experience it yourself, you're likely bumping into someone among that minority? Or have you felt more than once that the entire room you're in (maybe someone's family household or some school classroom or whatever) is strongly implying they're against it, dirty looks or passive aggressive comments? Feeling more than 6%?
>The gallup article shows that from 1991 to 2002, the biggest jump in approval was 18-29 (+22), then 30-49 (+19), and lastly, the old people, 50+ (+17). It would appear that what drove the shift in the 90s was because of younger people.
Do you have really high hopes for gen z, a tepid opinion of their acceptance or too many of them still as close-minded as ever?
A guy I know actually joked recently, that at this point in time when you hear some of these liberals be like "how on earth could anyone be against interracial?" incredulous, if you really want to know how progressive they truly are, just casually mention or talk about an AMXF or watch what they say when they see one, then see what his or her true colors are LMAO
But seriously, when it comes to interracial relationships in general, let's say 94% anyway is a reach - in your opinion is about 80% still believable?
What do you think overall
I just had a heated discussing with Maliki Moroccans that stated that Allah not only did not recommend interracial marriage but discouraged it, using as proof:
- Ibn Kathirβs interpretation of 49:13
- An interpretation of Al Kafaβah based on Abdulmalik Abou Adam, cheikh Islam Ibn Taymiyah.
- A Fatwa by Ibn Utheyminz.
When I tried to quote At-Tabari for instance, I was told that as he was Hanbali his opinion didnβt matter, and that it is rational to think that someoneβs race and ethnicity plays an important role deciding whether or not a marriage can occur.
This seems contradictory with the morality of the last sermon, Iβm saying seems because of course only God knows the correct interpretation.
I was thusly asking myself if
(a) I was speaking without knowledge of the Maliki Madhab and I can be punished by god for it (Ω Ω Ψ£ΩΨͺΩ Ψ¨ΨΊΩΨ± ΨΉΩΩ ΩΨΉΩΨͺΩ Ω ΩΨ§Ψ¦ΩΨ© Ψ§ΩΨ³Ω Ψ§Ψ‘ ΩΨ§ΩΨ£Ψ±ΨΆ)
(b) if someone of a certain madhab absolutely has to follow everything that the Ulemas of that Madhab argue
(c) What was the opinion of other Madhahibs on interracial marriage, is race even a parameter ?
Are interracial relationships/marriage very common in your country or is it even talked about that much when considering dating "preferences"?
Salam, I am Yemeni (M), the women whom I wish to engage to is Algerian. Her family is open minded Alhamduillah and want to move forward with the engagement and meet me.
However, my dad was the only one of the 4 parents who rejected this, saying I need to marry from my own race/culture and that I'll be making a mistake and am taking a risk wanting to marry outside the race.
Can I please get advice on arguments I can use to rebuttal this claim? I've already done my istikhara prayer and I only felt more strongly to get engaged to this women after this prayer. So I believe that is my sign.
Thanks .
Just curious, anyone here in an interracial/inter-cultural marriage. If you don't mind sharing, how long you been together and married. Was there any hardship between the cultures or just anything in general, compatible wise?
My husband he thinks what important compatible, and the determination and effort he put into me and to our marriage.
I'm Shanghainese (Chinese), my husband is Sierra Leonean (West African). We together 11 years, married 7 years and it work for us. We have same morals and values, we does check the compatible boxes of each others.
He didn't wanted a career woman, he wants to be the 100% provider, I check that as I was never a career woman. He very very dominant in bed, where he does ALL the work and just want you to enjoy him pleasuring you. I check that as I'm the submissive type. He makes good income and very responsible with money. So there no conflict.
He dark, he loves intense, and when he did things, it get even more darker, lol. Should I blame it on his zodiac sign? j/k
We don't argue because there nothing to argue about, we check each others boxes alot. NEVER once in the 11 years together he raised his voice on me. However I did raised my voice on him one time back in May 2017, it was clearly half my fault, but he took the full blame on himself just so I can be happy.
Our only DIFFERENCE seem to be our parenting when it comes to our 4 year olds toddler (I probably have a post on this later ask for advice whether if I'm mommy'ing wrong here). He is a better parent than me tbh. He loves and spoil our son rotten, while me I'm the strict mom.
This 4 y.o toddler of us everything is Daddd daddd, Dadddddd, dadd, Daddddd everything! Never mom. Yeah, it because he knows dad adores him and will give him everything. While mom will say No.! and mom is strict.
Did you have any differences in your interracial/inter-cultural marriage?
Deuteronomy 7: >1 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nationsβthe Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than youβ 2and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lordβs anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Do not intermarry with them because they were idol worshippers. In fact, Rahab was a canaanite. She married Salmon who was an ancestor of David and Jesus.
The same principle applies in the NT, 1 Corinthians 7: >39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
Interracial/international marriages are fine as long as both are believers.
This is purely out of curiosity, and by the title, youβre probably thinking, Iβm dumb for asking, but hear me out!
Iβve heard of at least two men from the mafia who are married to women of color - but then again, one of these men are retired and out of the mafia.
But all my life, I heard it was frowned up and I guess you can say βforbiddenβ by mafia law.
I remember Sammy the Bull telling his daughter that if she got with her daughterβs father while he was still operating in the mob, he would have to turn his back on her, even though he wouldnβt want to.
So, just out curiosity, is it a hard complete no, or it just depends on the situation?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311910355_Laundering_Gender_Chinese_Men_and_Irish_Women_in_Late_Nineteenth-Century_San_Francisco
There is a questionable Gallup poll which finds that supposedly 93% of White adults approve interracial marriage. Of course, when the White daughter introduces her Black boyfriend to her parents...well, lets just say that I doubt the rate is quite so high. It's always easier to accept the concept than it actually becoming a personal case, and there is definitely a lot of social desirability bias.
What do you think is probably the actual rate here?
Salams, I am a brown guy married to a white woman. We are both born Muslims. There are European Muslims too who have hundreds of years of Islamic legacy, in case anyone here does not know that. Before getting married, I had no idea how racist Pakistanis and Desis can be.
We went to the halal meat store and the owner saw a brown guy with a white woman and immediately assumed that we were fornicating. He told us "We are closed! Sorry no sales." I could have reported him, as refusing service on the basis of someone's race is against the law in US but I didn't. Once uncle type character approached my wife and asked her why she was buying Shaan masala? She said her husband is Pakistani. He said "I am surprised that he married you when there are so many nice Pakistani girls!" Rude comments like these made it a very unpleasant experience for her to go to halal meat stores so we stopped eating halal meat and started buying food from mainstream grocery stores. If Allah SWT ever asked why did you not eat Halal or Zabiha then we will say that racism from your followers drew us away.
Multiple generations of Desis are raised to believe that we should marry within our culture because the brown-desi woman is spiritually and morally superior to the white woman. When so many people are raised with this racist mindset then desi gatherings become a very toxic experience. People immediately assume that this is a marriage of lust and he had the nerve to marry his fornicatress and then bring her in the presence of us "holy people." Being a desi married to a white woman, is exactly like a white woman married to a black man in the 60s. People assume that she is a WILD-HOE and they treat her like that. Similarly Desis look at me the same way! We stopped going to Desi parties because women in particular were so eager to find out what happens in our bedroom. They have asked my wife if she was a virgin before we got married!
My wife is a very religious and deeply spiritual woman, much more so than me. She would go to the mosque but the desi girls had applied the sticker of "Islamic holy woman" to themselves. They did not want a white woman with blue eyes, securing the same sacred pedestal next to them. They immediately got curious who I was, started to dig into personal matters so that they could spin gossip and invented so many lies that it was shocking. We stopped going to the masjid because it was toxic.
I have a son and a daughter who are being raised as Muslims. M
... keep reading on reddit β‘Have the fundies ever spoken out on interracial marriages? Are they allowed/ approved of?
How common is interracial marriages in ABCDESI community or they prefer partner of same race ?
Iβm looking for a book written by a well-known American female author, name unknown, in the 1800s. Sometime before 1880.
The novel is about interracial marriage/relations, and I believe it is between a white woman and black man.
Iβm reading the book βPhysical Life of Womanβ, written in 1878, and it refers to this book but does not say who the author is or the title of it.
Google searching led me to the book Hobomok by Lydia Child, but that is about marriage of a white woman to a Native American man, so I donβt think that is it.
In a brief in the upcoming Supreme Court abortion case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, Texas Right to Life (the same organization behind the Texas heartbeat bill) has filed a brief declaring not only that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided but also that Obergefell v. Hodges (bans same sex marriage are unconstitutional) and Loving v. Virginia (bans on interracial marriage are unconstitutional) were wrongly decided. See here for a write-up of the legal theory without reading the whole brief.
As the brief points out, there is no text in the Constitution supporting a right to interracial marriage, and Loving drew on the same theory of unenumerated rights and substantive due process used in Griswold (right to use contraception, which set the stage for Roe), Roe, and Obergefell. The brief describes Loving as having "no textual or historical pedigree" (and of course it's indisputably clear that there was no right to interracial marriage in the US historically).
In your view, was Loving correctly decided? Is there any kind of constitutional problem with a state prohibiting interracial marriage? If so, where does that come from constitutionally?
Maybe a question- Iβve seen many other fundies/traditional couples that MMW follows on Instagram. Interesting that she also follows some black women, including those who are married to white men. Not only does she follow but she likes all of their posts and occasionally comments supportively. Wondering what she had gain by being βfriendsβ with these people of a different race, or are biracial considering sheβs a firm believer in βpreserving the white raceβ etc
Anyone know what to make of this? I just donβt understand why she would be interested in following the lives of people sheβs actively trying to work against?
