Proto Mongolic language Puns

Hi there! I saw this video on the Mongolic language family: https://youtu.be/RomVjL2Q5us

I was just wondering if anyone here could answer a few questions I had? Like how accurate and comprehensive is this video? Is it an accurate reflection of the Mongolic language or are there any mistakes?

Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts! Also, what language family do you wish more people knew about and studied more? And hope it’s ok to post this here as well.

Based on wikipedia and what I have learnt, Proto-Mongolic had a Front-Back harmony system similar to Finnish which became the ATR system in Modern Mongolian except in Oirat.

However, I have seen some papers disputing this, and instead stating Oirat is the innovative one. But given they also quite supportive of Altaic, I am quite skeptical of them.

I also found a paper defending the palatal analysis. However, the website is in Finnish so I can’t really know how to read it nor could I find the paper anywhere else. So it appears to be a dead end.

So, is the ATR view of any credence, or is it just a load of hooey?

Hey guys!

As we seem to have quite some understanding about many aspects of Proto Indo European society and mythology through linguistics and archaeology, I was wondering whether we have any such reconstructions for Proto Turkic / Proto Mongolic or Proto Uralic societies / mythologies? (Or others)

I feel like there is a huge focus on Proto Indo European, and it would be interesting to compare that culture to others.

Thanks a lot!

Hi there! I'm trying to understand more about proto Mongolic because I want to understand more about what it was, and how it became to Mongolic languages.

I've been reading some of Juha Janhunen's "The Mongolic Languages" book about proto Mongolic, but I've become stuck, when it comes to case markers for example. Here's a table in the book, but I can't say I understand what it means. https://imgur.com/gallery/N67VhEp

Would anyone be able to help me out please? Thanks

As a history buff I'd like to see everything from the Korean Goguryeo to the Vietnamese Champa kingdom included in this game, but barring that, at the very least I think it should include the proto-Mongolic northern nomads who threatened Eastern Han China: the Xianbei and Wuhuan. It should almost certainly include the Qiang people, who spoke a Sino-Tibetan language and led a significant rebellion in Liang province (modern Gansu) during the 180s AD. This revolt threatened to cut off the Han's access to its tributary vassals in the Tarim Basin of Central Asia. Sporadic Qiang rebellions continued thereafter.

With the death of their leader Tanshihuai (檀石槐) in 180 AD the Xianbei confederation largely fell apart, but the Xianbei continued to be a threat along the northern borders. The Wuhuan were also involved in politics and warfare of the Eastern Han and Three Kingdoms period. Cao Cao even led an invasion of their territory in 207 AD (in what is now Liaoning) while pursuing the sons of Yuan Shao, who had fled to the Wuhuan to seek refuge. Cao Cao defeated them and even recruited many Qiang people to his cause as skilled nomadic cavalrymen.

At the very least make the Qiang people available as mercenaries. It would probably be wise to make several independent/rebel settlements owned and protected by armies that have the distinctive look of the Qiang, Xianbei, or Wuhuan. I don't think they should have their own playable faction, but they should have a strong presence in the game, despite Luo Guanzhong's 14th-century novel perhaps downplaying their roles. The historical record, however, is much clearer on the matter.

Even though this subreddit is not a linguistic subreddit, I wanted to ask the the Mongolians here this question. As several groups such as the Tu and the Dagur derived from the Tuyuhun and the Khitan respectively, would it be wise to resurrect their ancestral languages?

I'm just a layman, so forgive me if this question is so stupid it makes your blood boil. If you look at English, it looks like the odd one out with respect to other Germanic languages. It has comparatively simple grammar (no gendered nouns, SVO, almost complete absence of cases, relatively little inflection) while having a vocabulary that's all over the place and very open to borrowing from other languages. Could it be that modern English was born out of a Proto-Germanic creole?

NOTE: This is an extension of a question that I've posted in Quora last year.

DETAILS:

>In his personal page (now through Internet Archive; the original link that I've posted as link in my Quora question had long gone), linguist Andrew Hsiu hypothesized that proto-Hmong-Mien (and by extension, proto-Tai-Kadai) was a creole language formed in northern Hunan (in case of proto-Tai-Kadai, Pearl River Delta) involving "Old Middle Yangtze" substrate, Austroasiatic, a missing Sino-Tibetan branch called "Donor Hmong-Mien" and Old Chinese (in the case of proto-Tai-Kadai: pre-Austronesian, "Old Middle Yangtze" substrate, Austroasiatic and Old Chinese). In fact, it seems that in another post, he also compared both proto-Hmong-Mien and proto-Austroasiatic (the hyphenated link is also archived). What's your personal thoughts on such hypothesis. By the way, here's the updated version of Andrew Hsiu's personal site. Thanks!

So I am working to improve Toltheng, and I am starting with a retry on the protolang. when making the original toltheng, I would just end up realizing i need a certain feature way later on and have to make something vastly different from the protolang.(because it was supposed to be there from the beggining). so i am going to make a fuller protolang first, then evolve it more carefully. This is where I am starting:

>SOV language

>nouns are often single root, but can have two roots combined for precision (water-container>bucket). they can additionally have a prefix such as "fear of" and a marker at the end for gender. (a maximum length "word" would be something like "FEAR OF+BONES+PERSON+FEMALE" for the fear of female skeletons.).

>verbs are prefixes attached to the very back of an Object. they are generally two roots such as "jump over" being "Go PAST"+"JUMP"

>adjectives are a thing now, Wich they weren't in toltheng. they are one root, but more adjectives can be added to the back of a word infinitely. they go before the noun but after the verb.

>particles are used to determine key things in the sentence, and go between the Verb and the Subject. for example, "Cat IS Naughty" vs. "Cat ISN'T Naughty". they are also what is used to show past or future tense.

>I am still working out the kinks in phonology, but here is my rough draft:

edit: added /k, g/ and rounded ɰ!

I have several questions:

1. Am I Being Dumb and is there another, much easier and more naturalistic way to do this?
2. I am striving for at least 1,000/5,000word roots, how would I disperse them between noun roots, particles, adjectives, verb roots, noun modifiers, gender markers, etc?
3. any advice on what to expand on such as asking questions, making demands vs. requests, or other grammatical pieces?
4. any advice on phonology?

Anatolian is usually described as the "first to branch off" from Proto-Indo-European, but what that really amounts to is that Proto-Indo-European split into two branches: one which would became Proto-Anatolian, and one which would became Proto-Non-Anatolian (the ancestor of English, Russian, Tocharian, etc.).

But what actual differences are there between PIE and Proto-Non-Anatolian ('PNA')? One that I've heard is the development of the feminine gender. But what about sound changes? Surely over the centuries between PIE and PNA there must have been various sound changes?

e.g. are there some distinctions that existed in PIE, but were lost in PNA? Or maybe a consonant split?

The Ural-Altaic language group is a group of languages that although have no credible evidence of genealogical links are still similar enough due to close contacts to the speakers of those languages. It used to be proposed as a language family but this is the new classification of this group of languages.

I had always assumed there was some documented Cushitic languages spoken in the Kingdom of Kush but going through the wikipedia page on the kingdom and looking around the internet a bit I can't find a name of a documented cushitic language from the kingdom of Kush. Meroitic doesn't seem to have enough evidence to make any convincing classification within known language families. And the Nubian languages seem firmly within the East Sudanic language family.

So what happened here? Did the name in the bible come from the historically attested kingdom and get assigned to a group of languages?

Also, either much is not publicly accessible or much is not known about proto-Cushitic. I can't seem to find anywhere that states what the first attested Cushitic language is. And I know this might be going too far for a linguistics subreddit but does anyone here happen to know some solid linguistic-genetic-archeological connections between pastoral expansions in Africa and the Cushitic languages? It seems all the Cushitic groups are pastoralists.

Lastly, if any of the above has already been asked here please point me to the posts.

Thank you!

The example I have in mind is Sino-Tibetan, when Old Chinese hasn't even been reconstructed yet (at least, no agreed-upon reconstruction). Are there any more examples of language families whose components (genera?) have no reconstructions?

Apologies for the somewhat inflammatory title, but as a layperson limited mostly to Wikipedia (unfortunately), I've become somewhat annoyed. Various pages assert that the Mongolic and Turkic language families are related, but I can only find discussion of this within the discussion (and general dismissal of) the Altaic family, without much discussion of the specific links or lack thereof between Turkic and Mongolic.

Is there are any good evidence or scholarly discussion one way or the other regarding Turkic and Mongolic, and if there is what does it say?

(And in case people ask, I have no academic or nationalistic interests in the matter. It's just a question it'd be nice to have an answer to!)

Hi there! I'm trying to understand more about proto Mongolic because I want to understand more about what it was, and how it became to Mongolic languages.

I've been reading some of Juha Janhunen's "The Mongolic Languages" book about proto Mongolic, but I've become stuck, when it comes to case markers for example. Here's a table in the book, but I can't say I understand what it means. https://imgur.com/gallery/N67VhEp

Would anyone be able to help me out please? Thanks