Orr (Catch 22) Puns

In chapter 28–the scene when Yossarian gets out of the hospital for his leg injury and goes into his tent , Orr is fixing the stove he is making for Yossarian, and the two have their last conversation before Orr’s disappearance. In this conversation Orr is asking Yossarian about the girls in the bordello, he says “ They don’t like you either” ... “ They like Aarfy, and they like Nately, but they don’t like you. Women just don’t seem to like you. I think they think you’re a bad influence.”

What does Orr mean by this? What is the point of the dialogue in this scene between Yossarian and Orr? I’m on chapter 32 so maybe it’ll come out in the end.

Is Yossarian not liked because he’s not affluent like Nately? But then, neither is Aarfy. I really like Orr’s character and he is one of the few genuine characters in the novel, which makes the information he says seem more reliable? But maybe it’s more misinformation, as misinformation seems to be a common theme throughout the novel. Also, Nurse Duckett likes Yossarian at the moment, despite his previous sexual assault on her in the hospital.

Later in the scene, Orr tells Yossarian he should really fly with him, and that he knows Yossarian requested to never fly with him. This I understand what Orr is getting at, that Orr is going to escape and that Yossarian should come with him or prepare to escape himself. Ironically, it’s Yo’s fear of death that makes him not want to fly with Orr, but if he did then Yo could actually escape, avoiding death.

But I’m confused at what Orr is getting at in the conversation about women not liking Yossarian?? Maybe it is just making a parallel between Orr and Yossarian? Any thoughts?

Near the beginning of the novel, right after Doc Daneeka's infamous explanation of the logic of Catch-22, the narration veers toward an aside about something Orr said to Yossarian. For those who need a reminder (big spoiler) Orr is the soldier who acts like an senseless smalltown idiot throughout the novel, including crashing his plane into the sea 17 times, but surprises us and Yossarian at the end when it's revealed that instead of dying in a plane crash as was believed, Orr had excecuting a brilliant escape to Sweden where he'd live out the war in safety while the US military presumed him dead.

Here's the passage in question, as Yossarian tries to convince the Doc to deem him insane and unfit for duty. It feels like an important idea and is situated just after the Catch itself, but I haven't the foggiest notion of what it's supposed to add up to, if anything. Thoughts?

From Catch-22:

"'You mean there's a catch?'

'Sure there's a catch,' Doc Daneeka replied. 'Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy.' There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's own safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

'That's some catch, that Catch-22,' he observed.

'It's the best there is,' Doc Daneeka agreed.

Yossarian saw it clearly in all its spinning reasonableness. There was an elliptical precision about its perfect pairs of parts that was graceful and shocking, like good modern art, and at times Yossarian wasn't quite sure that he saw it at all, just the way he was never quite sure about good modern art or about the flies Orr saw in Appleby's eyes. He had Orr's word to take for the flies in Appleby's eyes.

'Oh, they're there, all right,' Orr had assured him about the flies in Appleby's eyes after Yossarian's fist fight with Appleby in the officers' club, '*although he probably doesn't even know it. That's why he

I don’t know if any scene, aside from Snowden’s death (and even that had a dark punchline about Milo stealing morphine) was played entirely seriously, but there were a surprising number of poignant moments throughout the novel. Snowden’s death is the obvious go-to, but I’d also include Yossarian’s voyage through Rome at the end of the novel, Orr’s disappearance, and Kid Sampson’s/McWatt’s deaths. Furthermore, I was quite surprised by the poetic quality of Heller’s prose. You’d think it’d be contradictory to use elevated language when trying to be funny, yet Heller somehow makes it work. Perhaps his use of language is just another example of the many internal paradoxes the book lampoons.

So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over.

Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies, two in the front seat and three in the back, wide eyed and white as ghosts.

The driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?"

"Ma'am," the officer replies, "You weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers."

"Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly twenty-two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly.

The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit.

A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time," the officer asks.

"Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119."

Or, in other words, was there any genuine US government policy of the 1930s that would result in anybody receiving monetary compensation for refraining from growing a crop? And was it really lucrative enough that somebody would do what the character is described doing, and buying up as many acres as he can lay his hands on in order to not grow Alfalfa on those too?

Like it really is damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you do vote you just end up enabling the same corporate democrats (your nancy pelosi's or chuck schumer's) and their status quo agenda. And even if you get someone more progressive like AOC or Ilhan Omar as we've seen most of the time they still vote for or abstain on the policies that fuck over their constituents. This isn't saying that AOC or Omar haven't done anything but their voting history is indicative to the rot of the democrat establishment. If you don't vote you empower the same people who want to destroy the albeit shitty democratic institutions that we even have in the first place. And we end up with another Bush or Trump or god forbid another Reagan. So I'm conflicted on what to even do.

Edit: this isn’t an argument for electoralism, fuck electoralism all my homies hate it. This is simply an observation on the democratic processes in the US

Edit 2: y’all this isn’t about the fact dems and gop are basically the same thing.

Edit 3: im disabling reply notifications cuz yall are a fucking broken record

I've noticed a weird discussion on twitter. Reportedly Rollback is being considered for P4AU post launch, which begs the question. When do you buy P4AU?

Do you buy before rollback to ensure the playerbase is big enough for atlus to view rollback as a worthy investment. Unfortunately you have no promise to get the rollback you crave, and it may never be added. OR Do you buy only after Rollback has been implemented? Ensuring that The devs see that Rollback WILL bring a playerbase, but risking that the starting playerbase will be so low that The devs will view the added patch as not worthwhile.

Thoughts?

We have an 8yr dead bedroom. I find this upsetting, frustrating and depressing. If I'm open about these feelings then she feels pressured, guilty and turned off and so we have less sex. If I bottle my emotions up then she thinks everything is fine as it is and so we have less sex.

I know you guys have probably debated this to death, but I just finished Catch 22 and it has amazed me how Joseph Heller captured the insanity of mankind. Milo Minderbender is so much like our current leadership. The insanity has crossed the line from unbelievable to so bizarre it must be true. I'm sure this isn't new to most of you.

Anyways I enjoyed the book and if you haven't read it, you should.

it's the fucking worst when they don't hold your siblings to the same standard. on one hand, i'm happy that they don't have to deal with this shit. on the other hand, it hurts to see them standing up for the n-parent, saying that they're not that bad.

just yesterday, my mother laughingly mentioned how she's a disciplinarian who believes in corporal punishment (like her father) when it comes to me but loving and supportive (like her mother) when it comes to my sister. it's staggering to realise that she's self-aware but just doesn't give a fuck.

Like many of you, canned foods are a staple of my long and short-term preps. The main selling point of course is the long shelf life (storability), price point, and convenience.

However, a catch 22 exists here for me in the nature of the can and how it's manufactured. Most cans use a BPA lining (bisphenol A), which as many of you know, is a harmful endocrine-disrupting chemical.

And before anyone says "Yes! But fear not, I buy BPA-FREE canned food products!"

This is a fallacy. Most products labeled "BPA-FREE" use what's called a "BPA analog" which is a fancy term for another harmful chemical that mimics BPA. The analogs aren't as well studied and therefore pass under the radar of consumer health groups. What research I have read suggests they are just as harmful however. I digress

In a true SHTF scenario, food will save your life and it is for this reason I still prep with canned foods. Starvation will kill me sooner than the cancer/neurogical problems/diminished immune system/cardiovascular issues accumulated over time through exposure to BPA.

That said, it still troubles me that these chemicals persist in our food supply, especially in a product meant to be stored long-term, where materials degrade significantly over time (especially if the food is acidic like tomato sauce).

I can't help but think 10 years from now, I am going to be opening up my canned beans (looking for nutrition) and basically helping myself to some delicious BPA soup.

TLDR: Canned foods contain a harmful chemical known as BPA. In a SHTF, it's better not to starve than worry about harmful chemicals but it still bugs the shit outta me that my food is polluted and likely even moreso over the course of my long-term storage.

Can't participate unless you've completed most the content. Can't complete most the content because I can't participate with other competent folks. Come join our guild but you can't do anything with any of us until you run the same stuff with a bunch of other people who aren't us.

Cool.

Notice how for every minoxidil outcome, the advice is the same?

• Situation 1-- minoxidil gives someone regrowth. Everyone says: stay on minoxidil!
• Situation 2-- minoxidil does nothing. Everyone says: It might still be helping you maintain, so stay on minoxidil!
• Situation 3-- someone is still losing hair on minoxidil. Everyone says: Minoxidil might be helping to slow your hair loss, your AGA could just be progressing faster than minox can control. Best to stay on minoxidil, if you go off of it your hair could get even worse!

There needs to be a better way to determine who is a non-responder, otherwise non-responders will be stuck indefinitely buying and applying a product that is functionally useless to them. Personally, I'm 3+ months into minox with no change (no shed, no regrowth, continued gradual loss) and while I AM going to stick it out for the recommended time, I have a feeling I might be a non-responder. My minox routine is time consuming and limits my activities, so if this winds up not working for me I don't want to have to continue doing it. However it seems like there's no good way to determine if it's actually not working or if the advice from point #3 is right. What a dream situation for the manufacturers of minoxidil!

Anyone have more insight into this?

HI to all,

I'm about to start my first lancer game (come from mostly d&d) in just a few days and would like to create a battlefield controller style, with focus to debuffing the enemies and making them easier to hit by my allies

Even better if possibile I would like to squeeze in come sort of catch 22 mechanic where per example i could set a damage over time effect in an area occupied by an enemy and a different effect that does damage if the target moves (so he fest to chose if stay and take damage or move and take damage, for how is coming from d&d 5e this is done usually by booming blade + any other dot aoe spell).

Could you please give advice on what to do from 0 and going forward?

The GM told us that for story reasons we will NOT be able to select HORUS nor HARRISON ARMORY, but that the later one could maybe be available later on while the story progresses.

For LL0 the fire support archetype looked like a good point to start off, i really wanted to invest asap in the leadership talent and take heavy gunner.

Not sure about spotter because the benefits sound very good but the limitation of needing to be next to the ally to make them have the benefit sound very limiting. Could walking armory be better to have 6 rounds with various effects to be prepared for every situation?

Plus not planning on focusing on melee but would it be better to switch at least one of the 4 weapons in the Everest slots to a melee?

For the rest i really have a hard time deciding what to do for the future the 4 models that looked appealing are:

SWALLOWTAIL

BLACK WITCH

DUSK WING

TORTUGA

But could really use some help on what to to step by step.

I almost forgot to mention the rest of the party, we will have:

frontliner focusing on ram and brawl

hacker focusing on tech stuff

sniper

+1 player that was not present at session 0 so could be a wild card.

I would like as much as possible to focus on leadership talent and enable my allies to do and avoid more damage and as far as possible not doubling down on roles already taken by them.

Thanks to all!

So here's the problem we are going thru right now:

- We are moving to Netherlands next week. (very excited!!)

- We already found a place last week and signed the agreement

- We are in talks with the owner thru email/whatsapp and the gentleman has asked us to choose a utilties provider.

- After much research, we zeroed in a utilities provider.

- The house owner initiated talks with the utilities provider to sign us up by the time we are in thr Netherlands.

- Utilities provider asks for our IBAN Number

- We don't have an IBAN number yet since we are not in the Netherlands yet.

- We try to sign up for a bank account in the Netherlands but it asks for BSN number.

- We don't have a BSN number yet because we get that only after registering at the municipality

- Registration is scheduled for 5 days after we arrive in the Netherlands.

What happens now?? Should we have to live without power and gas at the new place till we get an IBAN number? Is there a way to solve this problem using some temporary arrangement? Kindly help us :)

At this point I’d rather it crash too zero and lose my $15,000 investment then sell at a lose or a small gain, and risk living my life knowing I could of made life changing money if I just 💎🙌

Brenda might be in a bit of a rough spot soon, but for all the schadenfreude this gives us there is a downside. If Thiccc Boi Studios goes the way of Messican's vehicle Changs will have to close shop. Now, I know we're already homeless, but still it's nice to have a place to work. If we're gonna make fun of the Big Redact he needs some kind of platform to be made fun of on. I'm not a numbers guy but maybe we should hope for a big decline and not Bapa completely going under. I dunno tho, herd it bowlth ways.

Basically, vaguely sci-fi books or movies about totalitarian bureaucracies, with the focus being much more on the paradoxical darkly-comedic situations than any kind of heroic plot.

If Wangman wins, that is twice that their biggest get couldn't get the job done against their Champion (going back to the non-title draw with Omega), making him look bad.

If Danielson wins, the greatest, most agonizing, most wholesome pro-wrestling stories in years, that had just finished hitting the homestretch, was for a transition champion.

Booker of the Year, Ladies and Gentlemen.

Catch-22 is a book that's been on my To Read list for years, and earlier this month I saw Audible had a sale on the audiobook version for it so I bought it. I usually listen to an audiobook on my way to work and at night I read a few chapters of a physical book before I go to bed. Anyway, I've heard a lot of great things about Catch-22 and have been meaning to read it for a while. I read Slaughterhouse-Five last year, it was my first Vonnegut novel and I absolutely loved it. I'd always kind of associated Catch-22 and Slaughterhouse-Five as they're both war novels that highlight the absurdity of war. I finished listening to Catch-22 last night and, with some trepidation, I've got to admit that I didn't like it very much.

Before you start sharpening your pitchforks, I want to make it clear that I am not saying that Catch-22 is a bad book, clearly, a lot of people regard it as a modern classic and my opinion is in the minority, I'm just saying that it didn't do much for me. Before I go into why I didn't like it, I want to highlight the things I did like about it. Firstly, there's no doubt that Heller is an excellent writer. He has a unique way with words and a distinct style. I was also impressed at how well he balanced the comedy and tragedy of the book and the final part where he really exposes the reader to the true horror of the war is intense, I was interested to truly find out what had happened to Snowden, but kind of wished I hadn't once the details were revealed, it's a truly tragic part of the book.

While the comedy didn't tickle me as much as it seems to have tickled many other readers, there were still some excellent moments, especially when Scheisskopf is asking for the last line of the transcript to be read back to him but he keeps getting back the last thing he said. I'm not explaining it very well but I found it very funny. I also think it's a very interesting idea to write a novel about WWII that doesn't feature any of the Axis powers as the enemy. It's very interesting to read a novel set in a war where the main character's real troubles come from his allies. It's something you don't tend to consider but a reckless commander can be more of a threat to a soldier than the soldiers he's fighting against. The book also does a great job at exposing the craziness of war, and I particularly liked the scene where Nately is having his ideology torn about by the Old Man, as well as the character of Milo Minderbinsder who, as far as I'm concerned, is

One of my favorite Aes songs and I feel like I never see it posted here. It’s good shit.

https://youtu.be/j2tXY_2vyKg

Something that often comes up in discourse about the "labor shortage" is why more disabled people don't work if they are "able" to work. I figured I would share just one example of why those of us who are on disability are essentially forced to either not work, or make our conditions worse just to be able to survive.

I just had to hand in my resignation for a job that I actually enjoyed, paid well, and was able to do thanks to the adaptability of the job. I worked as a DSP (Direct Support Person) for my eldest, who is also disabled, with basic "adult" skills as well as community integration and helping her get a job that she not only could do but enjoy. Because I have what's considered a dynamic disability, there were some days when I couldn't leave my bed, but she could come into my room, and we could work together on her tasks for that day. I was honestly happy working with the company I did, but there was a huge catch.

Being on SSDI means that you're put on Medicare (Side note: Medicare sucks and if you have any conditions you wind up having to pay for private insurance such as a MedAdvantage plan meaning spending even more of what little you don't have), and due to how little I was getting I was allowed to be on an assistance program that took care of my premium (Medicare, not the MedAdvantage), my coinsurance (so the 20% or whatever my private covered), and my copays. This allowed me to be able to get the medical care I needed to be able to work.

The problem is that for that program, you have a VERY steep income limit which is set at 100% of the poverty line. This means that if I make anything over the poverty line (Which amounts to approximately $35/day) I would lose access to the program that allowed me the medical care I needed to be able to work.

I could make approximately $100/mo at work without hitting the limit. So when they decided to do the 5% income adjustment it knocked me over the limit. Remember that the 5% isn't even keeping up with inflation, and normally those of us on SSDI get a 1-2% cost of living adjustment a year.

For many of us who are "able" to work, we can't without risking losing access to the very things that are allowing us to be able to work. We're outright told that SSDI can't be our only income due to how little it pays, but at the same time we can't work because of how low they've set the bar for taking away assistance/safety nets that let us work.

It's a catch 22 that is intentionally put in place.