The career of British Liberal Party leader Jeremy Thorpe was destroyed by allegations that he had conspired to murder his former lover Norman Scott, but he was acquitted at trial. Over forty years later, is there a historical consensus on what actually happened in the Thorpe Affair?
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John Ibbitson on the Collapse of the Laurentian Consensus | 2011, the momentary fall of the Liberal Party political elite, and Canada’s first Western-Based Government youtu.be/g8K3bFpXxjI
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Why is there a consensus in the liberal community that what Al Franken did β€˜wasn’t that bad’ ?

I see it repeated in liberal circles all the time that Al Franken should have resigned and what he did wasn’t β€˜that bad’ despite it being more than just the girl from one photo. Seven or eight women accused him of sexual harassment and groping and he chose to resign.

Saying that Al Franken β€˜didn’t do anything wrong’ is implying that there is a low level of sexual harassment that women should be expected to put up with and if anyone complains about it they should just shut up and deal with it which is atrocious.

Edit: I’m seeing some people say there isn’t a consensus that what Al Franken did wasn’t that bad. I agree for the most part when it comes to liberals and progressives but there’s definitely a group of dems that believe those things. Look at this post in r / democrats for example

Edit: ok I’m muting this, the al franken defenders have clearly come out of the woodwork to attack me and I don’t have to waste my time responding to them.

To all the people who responded to this post early and in earnest thank you for providing interesting points to think about.

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Liberals and conservatives β€˜have a consensus’ to pass civil partnership – Lithuanian parliament speaker lrt.lt/en/news-in-english…
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Vaughn Palmer: It will be tough for Falcon to get a consensus on renaming B.C. Liberals vancouversun.com/opinion/…
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Is there a consensus among liberals on free trade?

So I got into a discussion on this topic in another thread and I was hoping to get a bit more broad response on the topic. It really feels like free trade has gone from a center-left talking point to a GOP talking point, and I'm quite confused about it. Even progressives don't seem to have a consistent viewpoint on it. Bernie Sanders prefers trade agreements that do a better job of protecting American jobs. AOC wants free trade linked with environmental milestones to stop climate change. Charles Schumer, who is no progressive, voted against Nafta and its successor. Abroad, I think a lot of countries engage in some form of protectionism toward certain countries.

I personally think that trade agreements need to do a better job of protecting American jobs in the near term, while giving us some time to transition those workers into other sectors. I think the rise of Chinese manufacturing caught people off guard with its size, scope, and swiftness, and as a result a lot of people were quickly left without a job, with no real alternative prospects.

Yet I hear a lot of otherwise liberal people that believe that free trade is a good thing and that we should embrace the change, and hope to cover the negatively impacted people through social safety nets. It seems to be a bit inconsistent to champion market forces internationally, but be ok with government intervention locally.

Anyway, I'm open to new ideas on the topic.

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The American Revolution is often framed as a liberal triumph over monarchical tyranny, but the general consensus seems to be that the United States is in many ways more right leaning than the UK today, how did this happen?

Apologies if this breaks a guideline, I tried not to include any moralistic statements in my question but I didn't know a better way to frame my question.

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With STEM jobs being reproletarianized, the liberal-conservative consensus is going to have to look for some other 'you wouldn't be poor if you did this years ago' excuse.

It first happened with manufacturing jobs, then it happened with entry-level clerical jobs, and now it's happened with degreed non-STEM jobs. That is the 'you don't want to be stuck living with your parents scraping by for the rest of your life? Do this instead' excuse the liberal-conservative consensus tells you. Right now, it's 'get a STEM job' but as someone who got a computer-engineering degree at a top-ten university and had six years experience as a technician who, in 2015, was only able to get a job after months of searching at 65k let me just say LOL. And it's only going to get worse.

It happens with all jobs. Degreed engineers are considered sub-middle class drones in Korea/Japan/China/Singapore. Which is unsurprising, because about 30 years ago there were hundreds of non-degreed blue collar workers in STEM industries for every degreed engineer. Now it's more like 3-4.

Liberalism (orthodox liberalism, not the weird dishonest liberalism of the Americas) of course can't admit this, so they'll always be on the lookout for more 'are you suffering a systemic problem? Do this individualistic bullshit and you'll be okay for a few years' excuses.

I expect the next excuse is going to be 'hm, have you looked into getting your project manager cert and learning another language' or 'have you considered doing contract work from home on the side'.

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Is there any type of study or consensus of whether most economists agree with liberals or conservatives?

I know many of these studies have flaws and it’s impossible to know for sure, or even to objectively measure it.

But in general, is there any consensus or study showing that the majority of economists agree with the DNC or GOP when it comes to the economy?

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Liberals want to blame rightwing 'misinformation' for our problems. Get real | In progressive circles these days, there is a palpable horror of the uncurated world, of thought-spaces flourishing outside the consensus | Thomas Frank theguardian.com/commentis…
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A regularity in US American politics is that liberals have more policy consensus than do conservatives; in European data, this conclusion is not as clear bipartisanalliance.com/20…
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Don’t Get Too Cocky About Donald Trump’s Flop in Tulsa Last Weekend | Donald Trump’s satisfyingly disastrous rally in Tulsa last weekend has further cemented the consensus that Trump is toast in November. But liberal complacency allowed Trump to win in 2016 β€” and it could still do the same in 2020. jacobinmag.com/2020/06/do…
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Joe Biden Presidency: 'Return to Normalcy' & Myth of Postwar Liberal Consensus nationalreview.com/2020/1…
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""Our abortion laws, which are among the most liberal in the world despite the utter absence of a consensus on the matter, are non-negotiable" "Why are we capped at 50 seats in the Senate?""

https://www.reveddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/kq3gs1/discussion_thread/gi3e1ta/

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"Our abortion laws, which are among the most liberal in the world despite the utter absence of a consensus on the matter, are non-negotiable"

"Why are we capped at 50 seats in the Senate?"

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IO study: The Liberal international order is jeopardized by China's rise because (i) China's ability to profit from the LIO undermines Western domestic consensus for the LIO, (ii) the nature of Chinese Communist Party rule chafes against many of the fundamental principles of the LIO. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pape…
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How the liberal consensus exercises its power theweek.com/articles/9469…
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β€œToo scripted/prepared” seems to be the consensus critique across reasonable liberal politics, like David Axelrod.

It’s almost as if he’s so good, prepared, and precise with his debate responses that he needs to be a little less perfect to be more authentic. I think it’s an interesting take, and probably has some merit when people want to see humans up there.

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Don’t Get Too Cocky About Donald Trump’s Flop in Tulsa Last Weekend | Donald Trump’s satisfyingly disastrous rally in Tulsa last weekend has further cemented the consensus that Trump is toast in November. But liberal complacency allowed Trump to win in 2016 β€” and it could still do the same in 2020. jacobinmag.com/2020/06/do…
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New study: Liberals have false sense of uniqueness, conservatives have a false sense of consensus. psychologicalscience.org/…
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If you think Yang/Gabbard is a strong ticket, go to any liberal subreddit or forum and see what the consensus is on Tulsi - they hate her

Tulsi is hated by most Dems atm. I love the idea but Yang needs to win the primary first and then add her to the ticket afterwards. They would be a good team to take on Trump in the general election but if they announced themselves as a ticket during the Dem primaries, Yang is done for.

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Permanence of Liberal Democracy 'Is an Illusion'. Prominent U.S. conservative Robert Kagan warns that it is time for Europe to "grow up." In an interview, he talks about Trump's stance on foreign policy, the crumbling liberal democratic consensus and the precarious future of Germany and the EU. spiegel.de/international/…
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Don’t Get Too Cocky About Donald Trump’s Flop in Tulsa Last Weekend | Donald Trump’s satisfyingly disastrous rally in Tulsa last weekend has further cemented the consensus that Trump is toast in November. But liberal complacency allowed Trump to win in 2016 β€” and it could still do the same in 2020. jacobinmag.com/2020/06/do…
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Neue Zurcher Zeitung (NZZ) - Concerning recent events at NYT β€œThe NYT bizarrely conducts self-censorship in the name of liberal values, suppresses the plurality of opinions and enforces the absolute, artificially produced and all the more insincere consensus with its own β€˜party line.’” thehill.com/opinion/techn…
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The postwar liberal consensus perfected | Flawless humanity markets | GOLD Rush in Mumbai | BBC Documentary | youtube.com/watch?v=6OkGy…
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SS study (Robert Jervis): Mearsheimer and Walt blame the liberal foreign policy consensus of the Blob for US foreign policy failures since the end of the Cold War. However, their argument is weak and neglects standard methods of verification, such as counterfactuals and relevant case comparisons. tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1…
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Economists Mark Blyth on brexit, immigration and liberal consensus on the economy youtu.be/ZZh93__wj4k
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What is the general consensus among leftifts about liberals? And what are examples of liberal ideology, and how does it coincide or differ from socialism/communism?
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NDP says Liberals using lack of consensus as excuse to do nothing - Macleans.ca macleans.ca/politics/otta…
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Why Brexit won’t mark the end of Britain’s zero-sum politics - Calls for moderation in politics assume there’s a universally attractive liberal consensus - But the status quo has long been broken theguardian.com/commentis…
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