Do Kanji outside of the Jōyō and Jinmeiyō lists have a specific name?

Jisho will mark a kanji as either Jōyō or Jinmeiyō, such as:

: (めん) Mask -> Jōyō

: (うさぎ) Rabbit -> Jinmeiyō

However, Kanji that are neither Jōyō or Jinmeiyō do not appear to have a name tagged, examples:

: (かん) Wicked

: (ねぎ) Welsh Onion

: (がん) Cancer

As level 1 of the 漢字検定 (Kanji Kentei) draws from over 6,000 Kanji, test takers will be seeking Kanji from outside of these lists, so how would they go about finding these "unlisted" Kanji?

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Does Genki Vocab Kanji only contain jōyō kanji?

I'm doing RTK and was wondering if Genki only uses jōyō kanji, because if it does it makes things alot easier to learn when I do start Genki again.

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Chinese equivalent to Japans Jōyō kanji?

In Japanese the most common Kanji’s that are expected to be known by everyone are the 2136 Jōyō kanji.

Is there a Chinese equivalent to that, where the most common Hanzi that are required for general literacy are listed?

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I wrote all Japanese jōyō kanji on a whiteboard
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In My Neighbor Totoro (1988) the letters the girl writes use a lot of hiragana and no Complex Kanji. This is probably due to the fact she is still in school and doesn't know yet the whole list of jōyō kanji.
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People who studied all jōyō kanji did you continue learning kanji or stopped there

Currently I am just a beginner and study 30 kanji’s per day. I think I’ll be finished in 3months. Is it worth it to continue studying kanji or stop ?

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A learning handbook for Jōyō Kanji: free excerpts for the sub (radicals and essential components)

Hi everyone,

I'm a graduate in Japanese culture and language and author of books on the subject.

Since the English edition of my book on learning Jōyō Kanji was recently released, I've decided to share with the sub 3 full free excerpts in a pdf file.

In detail, they are the full Radicals and essential components chapter, the first chapter on Numbers (and graphically related kanji), and the appendix chapter about kanji writing/Hiragana/Katakana/Rōmaji.

In my method, truly useful 142 radicals and basic elements are immediately explained in such a way that every subtle nuance, usually overlooked, can be immediately known and grasped at once.

That chapter is extracted in its entirety, so that it can be used in learning Kanji without necessarily needing the entire book, but just using one's own imagination and/or experience, helped out by consistent guidelines.

The first thematic chapter on Kanji is still fully extracted to show how knowledge of radicals is applied (thought it will be already clear from some of the entries that Kanji's etymologies can really be more complex at times, often influenced by phonetic references, corrupted shapes, transcription mistakes, loanwords and simplifications).

The appendix chapter briefly completes the basics for those still unfamiliar with Japanese syllabaries.

Hoping to please those interested in the topic. I leave the direct link to the file: "A learning handbook for Jōyō Kanji": excerpts (pdf)

Daniele

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I wrote all Japanese jōyō kanji on a whiteboard (/r/languagelearning)
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Non-Jōyō Kanji that are common and worth learning based on frequency of use from Twitter and Wikipedia.

From time to time people ask what some common non-Jōyō Kanji are here and I decided to provide a decent reference after stumbling onto it the other day. The source for the data I am using in this post is here: http://www.mwsoft.jp/programming/nlp/cjk_count.html

I am excluding symbols or kanji only used to make pictures.

These kanji are among the 1000 most common on Wikipedia, but not Jōyō Kanji: 伊 之 彦 弘 阿 也 龍 頁 智 幌

All of them except 頁 and 幌 are common due to their use in names, and should be learned for that reason. 頁 is common because it's the kanji for ページ. Though there is also an article on 頁岩 and that's not exactly an unusually rare word per se.

幌 has its own Wikipedia article, but it's common largely due to its use in the city of 札幌 (Sapporo) in Hokkaidō.

These kanji are among the 1000 most common on Twitter, but not Jōyō Kanji: 嬉 萌 伊 綺 嘘 菅 貰 縺 繋 呟 也

伊、菅 and 也 are there due to their use in names. The rest are all from very common words that you should know. 嬉しい、萌える、綺麗、嘘、貰う、縺れる、繋がる、呟く。 Those words are all common and you should memorize them.

The source also covers the 1001-2000 most common that aren't Jōyō Kanji, but you can go through that section on your own if you would like at your own pace. I just wanted to list the absolutely essential ones.

As a bonus here are Jōyō Kanji that aren't even in the top 3000 most used kanji:

Wikipedia:

萎 楷 諧 慨 嚇 憾 憬 倹 錮 恣 摯 𠮟 酌 拙 羨 箋 塑 唾 惰 衷 嘲 捗 朕 塡 痘 謄 貪 剝 頰 辣 厘 賂

Twitter:

畝 謁 虞 楷 諧 劾 倹 舷 錮 墾 桟 蚕 諮 璽 𠮟 儒 詔 嘱 斥 租 塑 嫡 衷 朕 逓 塡 痘 謄 陪 剝 罷 丙 頰 沃 吏 厘

I want to make a special note on 𠮟. This is a variant form of the more commonly used kanji in 叱る. You want to learn this word. You don't want to worry yourself over a minor graphical (stroke) variation you will likely never notice if it isn't pointed out to you.

I hope people find this helpful.

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[Show Reddit] Poster with all 2200 kanji from jōyō and WaniKani

Hi everyone,

I've started to make a poster with all 2200 Kanji from jōyō and WaniKani: https://github.com/Mononofu/kanji_poster

It's similar to the Kanji Wall Poster from OMG Japan (former white rabbit press), but I wanted to show the readings and meaning right next to the kanji, to make it easier to check if I forget :) (Of course not all of them fit, so I only show the first onyomi, kunyomi and reading for each kanji)

I've been experimenting with different ways of sorting and coloring the kanji; currently I have them sorted by the order they occur in the Remember the Kanji books by Heisig, and colored by the frequency they occur in some texts that I had to hand (NHK Easy News, Satori Reader and Harry Potter).

I'd be curious to hear if you have any ideas for different ways of sorting and coloring the poster, or maybe some other information I should include in it?

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If I just want to memorize the jōyō kanji's meanings, should I do KKLC or RTK?

After much deliberation, I've decided that the best thing to do is simply memorize the meanings of the kanji, and learn the nuances of how they work in the context of reading afterwards. Doing RTK seems to make the most sense, but I've heard that many keywords given in RTK don't correspond with the actual kanji meanings, which bothers me. KKLC has more accurate meanings, but as a consequence its keywords overlap.

So it seems like the choice is: do RTK and have simple but inaccurate keywords which are often unfaithful to the meanings, or do KKLC in RTK style and have keywords which are faithful to the meanings but overlap and are more confusing. I'm leaning toward doing KKLC because the meanings would be more accurate, but RTK seems easier, having a single keyword anchored to every kanji. I'm not sure which is better.

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New full Jouyou/Jōyō Kanji memrise course with readings

Hey Everyone!

I've just finished creating a new course on memrise for the full Jouyou/Jōyō kanji list (URL at the bottom). The reason I made this course is because I couldn't find a course that also provided and tested on the readings, so I included that in this course (the top Onyomi and Kunyomi reading for each kanji are provided and tested on, and all meanings and readings are grabbed from Jisho.org). The course separates all learning by grade.

I also had the audio uploaded for some of the kanji but have since removed it because there seems to be some issues with memrise audio playback at the moment (would randomly choose to playback a single audio file if there was more than one, i.e if i had onyomi and kunyomi readings uploaded it would just choose to play one and in the wrong scenarios) so i'll add the audio back in once these issues are sorted.

Side note: If anyone has a full audio pack for the these kanji would be much appreciated, right now I was grabbing the the mp3's using jpod101, but they don't have recordings of everything): http://assets.languagepod101.com/dictionary/japanese/audiomp3.php?kanji=%kanji%&kana=%kana%

Please let me know if you have any feedback or suggestions for this course, thanks! (Also please let me know if you have any other course suggestions, I've created a few scripts and programs that helped me with generating this memrise course so i should be able to make any new courses fairly quickly!)

Here is the URL:

https://www.memrise.com/course/1956163/joyo-kanji-by-grade-meanings-readings/

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Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and [censored] namakajiri.net/nikki/joyo…
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Jōyō kanji rant

Life was good at the start when I began RTK nearly a year ago 人 口 出 (wow these are useful characters I see all the time).

Fast forward to now, near the end and I'm pretty much just learning every tree and flower that exists... 桐 茅 梓 (I don't even know these in English)

What are your least favourite things about the Jōyō?

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Is the Kanji 錮 used at all? I can't find anything about it on Jisho, despite being one of the 2136 Kanji of the jōyō Kanji system.
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Is there an vocabulary list similar to Jōyō kanji?

Jōyō kanji is a list of kanji. Is there a similar, official list of vocabulary words that K12 students are expected to know by the end of their studies? If not, is there maybe such a list for primary school, mirroring Kyōiku kanji?

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I made some JLPT N5 - N1 and Jōyō Kanji Study Lists for everyone

I created some study lists for myself and shared them so they can be available to everyone else. These are some really helpful study lists for the JLPT N5, N4, N3, N2 and N1 exam levels. Furthermore, there's a study list that contains all the Jōyō Kanji. In case you don't know, the Jōyō Kanji is the list from the Japanese Ministry of Education that covers all "common" kanji. This is a great list to study to become quickly proficient at understanding written Japanese text.

These lists are on Nihongo Master so if you have an account, you can items from this list quickly to your drills so you can study them quickly.

Hope they help!

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/40/jlpt-n5-study-list

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/41/jlpt-n4-study-list

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/42/jlpt-n3-study-list

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/43/jlpt-n2-study-list

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/44/jlpt-n1-study-list

http://www.nihongomaster.com/lists/view/45/j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D-kanji-study-list

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Official 1,945 MEXT-approved jōyō kanji. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis…
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Here is the list of jōyō kanji (常用漢字), you can sort by grade, number, and even stroke order. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis…
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Jōyō Kanji Anki Deck

I've finally decided to start using Anki to help me learn kanji. But I can't seem to find a deck for the jōyō kanji that is actually good. I've only been able to find one that alternates between having the answer be the kanji for every other kanji. I'd much prefer one that shows the kanji first and gives the readings, meanings, and etc. for the answer. I was wondering if anyone knows of any like this?

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Historial Kanji Knowledge vs. Knowledge of Kanji Today

Hello—I'm a Mandarin speaker and also interested in historical Chinese texts (文言文 / 古文, if that means anything in Japanese). Recently I've gotten sort of interested in the use of Japanese orthography, and have a question about how the use of kanji within it has evolved over time.

In particular, I'm interested in how patterns in the use of kanji have developed over time. My understanding is that, for the most part, texts were originally written entirely in kanji and read according to the kanbun (漢文?) system. Gradually, other writing systems like Man'yōgana (萬葉假名?) developed, eventually leading to the development of hiragana and katakana, which were used in combination with kanji.

According to Wikipedia, there were a series of reforms in the 20th century to reduce and standardize the set of kanji in common use, eventually resulting in the ~2000 jōyō kanji (常用漢字?) taught today.

Based on all of that, my question is about the number of kanji an educated reader would recognize at various points. Presumably, when kanbun writings were still prevalent, that number would have been roughly equivalent to, e.g., the number recognized and used by a Tang Dynasty scholar writing in Middle Chinese in mainland China at around the same time. My impression (which could be entirely wrong) is that then there was an intermediate and (obviously not completely) static period where people wrote using kanji for all non-functional words (e.g., nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc.) and used other glyphs for function words (e.g., tense markers and other grammatical particles). Presumably during this period, the number of kanji an educated reader would have known would not have been greatly reduced compared to the number needed to read and write entirely in Kanji? Then, it seems that following the 20th century reforms, hiragana and katakana began to be used to write many non-function words which formerly have been written entirely in kanji. (Wikipedia calls such compounds Mazegaki?) During this period, it seems that an educated reader would perhaps know fewer kanji than before, e.g., not enough to communicate entirely in kanji, but obviously still need to know quite a few (~2000?).

Anyway, I'm certain that large parts of the (or possibly the entire) story I've just presented are inaccurate, but I was wondering if anyone could help me to better understand the core issue (how many kanji have been required to fluently read / write Japan

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One year with Heisig RTK and Core 6000

Background

I had studied Japanese for almost ten years but very on and off, using a variety of self-learning methods. I had passed JLPT N3 and failed N2. I could keep up a basic conversation in Japanese - I did an internship in Tokyo where I spoke Japanese every day. But eventually I had to admit that I couldn’t read Japanese properly, or at all outside the textbook setting. I came to the realisation that I must master kanji, there’s just no way around it. I had invested so many years in my studies, and I also had some new career incentives, so I decided to finally, ten years down the line, learn kanji properly.

Heisig RTK in 69 days

I had always heard about the Heisig method but dismissed it because you don’t learn the readings. But then again, all my other methods, including learning the kanji grade by grade like a Japanese elementary schooler, had failed. After reading the introduction to Remember the Kanji, I was convinced that readings don’t matter at this stage – they come organically as you learn more words. So I decided to go all in, memorising 30 new kanji a day. Of course it helped that I was already used to Japanese, but even so, I couldn‘t write a basic kanji like 会 from memory. I used the iOS app Flashcards Deluxe on my ipad and wrote down the kanji by pen in each repetition. I used up at least two delicate 0.3 pens that I had bought in Japan, and several Campus B5 notebooks.

There’s a balance between racing and remembering. In my case, maybe because I was already used to Japanese, 30 kanjis per day worked. It was definitely at the upper limit, but it was important for me to conquer the jōyō kanji fast in order to keep me motivated. I kept going every single day. After 69 days I was done with the 2,200 kanji in RTK 6. I kept repping daily for about half a year. My retention rate is good. The method still feels like total magic and I wish I had done it from the start!

Japanese Core 6000 in a year

After the 69 days of RTK, I started Japanese Core 6000. I did iKnow back in the days, but only learned the kana (despite kanji was shown). Now I actively focused on the kanji in each sentence and word. After 300 days (yesterday!), I’m 90 percent through the stack – I learn 30 new cards per day. Through Core 6000 I learn the usage of the kanji from RTK: Their place in words and their readings. It‘s a perfect complement. I never broke the streak despite some turbulent times in my private life. It was my way of showing

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James W. Heisig's Remembering the Kanji (RTK) – Review of the first book (2200 kanji)

Who am I?

I am a 23 year old student from Germany. My native language is German and I've been learning English since I was about 8 years old. I still make mistakes, so forgive me for any spelling or grammatical errors. I began using the German version of the book, but later switched to the English version, because there are way more resources for learning Japanese in English. However, I did translate most of the keywords, because I didn't know the translations for all of them.

What is RTK and how does it work?

From Wikipedia:

The first book in the series, commonly known as RTK1, was originally published in 1977. The sixth edition of the book was released in 2011. In the book, Heisig presents a method for learning how to associate the meaning and writing of 2,200 kanji, including most of the jōyō kanji. There is no attention given to the readings of the kanji as Heisig believes that one should learn the writing and meaning first before moving on to the readings in Volume II.

The course teaches the student to utilize all the constituent parts of a kanji's written form—termed "primitives", combined with a mnemonic device that Heisig refers to as "imaginative memory". Each kanji (and each non-kanji primitive) is assigned a unique keyword. A kanji's written form and its keyword are associated by imagining a scene or story connecting the meaning of the given kanji with the meanings of all the primitives used to write that kanji. The method requires the student to invent their own stories to associate the keyword meaning with the written form. The text presents detailed stories in Part I, proceeding through Part II with less verbose stories. This is to encourage the student to use the stories as practice for creating their own. After the 547 kanji in Parts I and II, the remainder of the kanji in Part III have the component keywords but no stories. However, in cases where the reader may be easily confused or for difficult kanji, Heisig often provides a small story or hint.

All the kanji are analyzed by components—Heisig terms these "primitives"—which may be traditional radicals, other kanji themselves, or a collection of strokes not normally identified as independent entities. The basic primitives are introduced as needed throughout the book. This order is designed to introduce the kanji efficiently by building upon the primitives and kanji already learned, rather than learning the kanji based on the order of their freque

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Why is a jinmeiyō kanji used in a basic word like 賑やか?

My kanji dictionary app (Kanji Study) tells me 賑やか is N5 vocabulary, so I would expect that to be a basic and common word. At the same time, according to Wiktionary, 賑 is a jinmeiyō kanji and, as far as I understand, therefore not taught at school.

Can anyone help me make sense of that?

At first I thought that maybe that's an uncommon way to write it, but my app doesn't say "usually kana only", and I can find a lot of hits on Google where it's written that way.

So, does that mean that there are a lot of kanji that are common but not part of the jōyō kanji? How do you find them? Would those usually be jinmeiyō kanji? Are there also common kanji that aren't in either list?

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How do I slow down my progress? Becoming fluent too quickly.

I just started learning Japanese and I am afraid that I'm becoming fluent too quickly. I blew through the jōyō kanji in about a week and it's been too easy since then. If I don't find a way to slow down a bit I'm going to find myself at native speaker fluency in about another month.

It's embarrassing, and freaking out my Japanese friends. Maybe I should go back to watching anime with dub to avoid accidentally absorbing too much vocabulary? Arigatou, I'm sure many of you have similar problems with learning other languages!

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I made a JLPT-style list of the most used Kanji in Japanese drama for fun

Hey guys, For a number of years I've been using a homemade software to count word occurrences in Japanese drama so that I can focus on learning the most useful words and I'm slowly moving this online.

Anyway for fun I have counted all Kanji occurrences and made a JLPT style list based on how often a kanji appear. I also compared the position of the Kanji with the assumed jōyō position and JLPT position. For the JLPT I used the list that's around on the web and which is definitively not to be trusted (分, 誰 are supposedly not in the JLPT for example!).

This list might be quite useful for people who want to focus on spoken Japanese, since the list you find around are usually built on written Japanese (most used words in newspaper or wikipedia), whereas here it's a transcription of the Japanese spoken in dramas, which is in my opinion fairly close to "real" Japanese, although hopefully you will not "殺" as often as they do in drama !

The list can be found on: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jK4RTZwkwaXu8oRNnmgwavigp_vyFtfekP-CmxFQ4RA/edit?usp=sharing

Bonus challenge: could you guess what is the most used kanji? ;)

PS source is JPSubbers

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Is there a frequency list for the most common "Non常用 kanji" characters?

Basically the title. I am frequently encountering Kanji characters that are non in the 常用 list in my immersion and was wondering if there was a frequency list for these characters. NoNE 常用 characters that appear the most in Novels/Books and in other "Common" words. My goal is to read be able to light novels and I am 90% done with Matt's version of RTKK.

EDIT: Another thing. Is it even ok to learn non 常用 Kanji or other Kanji outside of the order that you are supposed to learn them? Will it screw me up in the long run?

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RTK "Speedrun" Idea (from a complete beginner)

Hello! This is my first post in this subreddit, so feedback would be much appreciated.

I wanted to be productive during my 1-month break from uni, so I figured that I might as well learn Japanese in the meantime. Since I'm in love with memorizing*, I wanted to start with memorizing kanji characters. RTK has been very helpful in recognizing the vague meanings of each character (and how to write them), so I adopted that. However, I haven't been devoting much time to learning the kanji (1 hour each day, 100 kanji per hour) for the past 4 days, and I wanted to ask if "speedrunning" the book in 1-2 days (roughly around 10 hours each day) would be beneficial, and if anyone has actually done that before.

Based on cursory glances from various internet forums, much of the flak against RTK is rooted in the time you initially need to invest to just get a vague meaning of each individual kanji character (and learn the strokes), which people think isn't worth it. However, if you could go through RTK at a rapid pace with decent recall, are there any other particular reasons why one shouldn't use RTK?

If you guys think it's a good idea, I'm more than willing to spend the next 1-2 days just hyper-focused on memorizing the jōyō kanji, and inform you guys whether it's actually feasible or not. Hopefully, this endeavor can serve as a benchmark for how quickly can you actually go through RTK to lessen the amount of time you need to invest in completing the book. If it is indeed feasible, maybe it can alleviate people's worries of spending too much time in the method in fear of it all being a waste. If ever, I'll make a second post discussing how much I can recall and its effectiveness altogether.

* context: I'm a memory athlete, a person that memorizes competitively internationally. I became a Grandmaster of Memory at the age of 16 (currently 19), and memorizing is something I find really fun. So, regardless of the practicality of memorizing kanji characters for learning the Japanese language, I'm just treating it as one of my memory endeavors.

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Study tips :)

Hello ! I’ve been studying Japanese for a little over a week now. I’ve memorized hiragana along side it’s ten ten, Mary and shrunken forms. I’m moving into kanji tonight. Would people recommend I jump right into kanji or should I look into applying hiragana while working with kanji on the side. I’m open to any advice !

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Endless loop of forgetting

I have been learning japanese for a little over 1 year now. I started off trying to finish RTK through kanji.koohi, as I had a lot of freetime and I figured sprinting through the Jōyō kanji would give me a great start to learning japanese. However I burned out after 2 months, about 800 kanjis in, and I basically forgot almost all of them.. So I figured learning completely out of context was not my ideal way of learning.

So after a bit back and forth not figuring out what to do next, I stumbled upon WaniKani, and I've been doing that for about 2 months. It's working alright, but for some reason my mind is not working with me. I tend do forget most of the stuff I learn, and yeah the SRS does help quite a bit with this, however I still feel like my memory is crap. Any grammar I review I forget the day after, and when trying to combine multiple grammar points that I've learned in a random sentence, my brain is short circuiting. I can recognize it when I see it and look at it in pre-made example sentences, however when I have to think myself and create my own sentences, I really struggle...

It just takes practice I get it, but it feels like my progress is really really slow, and I am overwhelmed by so much. I can dedicate my entire day to learning japanese, completely immersing myself. Watching japanese tv shows, listening to japanese english, doing anki, doing wanikani, learning grammar points I've been learning over and over again, and after a long long while it sticks, but it takes too long. I feel like I'm overwhelming my brain with information, and as a result I end up forgetting pretty much everything. If I was to limit my learning to not "overload" my brain, I would study for 15 years and still not understand basic japanese conversations, I'm sure. However when I do overload it, I forget everything..

I just dont know what to do because I feel like my progress is too slow, I'd like to be conversational in 5 years and I view that as a reasonable goal with my motivation and will to learn this language. However with how things are right now I just don't see myself ever becoming fluent. I've been learning for well over a year, when listening to stuff I can barely understand basic stuff like "ケーキをたべたい". I understand set phrases, but when watching tv shows/movies in japanese, I am baffled as to how little I understand. The 800-900 words I know, becomes completely unrecognizeable when combined with grammar that I have yet to learn, and that is a lot.

My mot

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人 pronunciation

As I learn through apps and books I am learning that if you slap 人 at the end of a country it makes a noun, someone from that country. Why, at the end of a country is it pronounced "jin" and on its own it's pronounced "hito"?

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Definitive Japanese Resource List

Here's all the resources I've found to learn and become fluent in Japanese. Not all of these resources are free of course, but there's a lot of great things here!

1 – Textbooks - Genki 1, Genki 2, and “An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese”. In colleges, Japanese 101 and 102 go through Genki 1...Japanese 201 and 202 go through Genki 2...and Japanese 301 and 302 go through "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese"

-Genki 1 and 2: (https://www.amazon.com/Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-Vocabulary-Academic/dp/B07QN3QTNH/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=genki+1&qid=1587082541&sr=8-7)

-Intermediate Japanese: (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077GP2P42/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

1a - A Guide to Japanese Grammar - A Japanese Approach to Learning Japanese Grammar(http://www.guidetojapanese.org/grammar_guide.pdf) (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar) - Greatest textbook I've found at teaching grammar! This textbook is online for free, and in physical form on amazon. I was amazed how well this book goes over grammar!...and just how closely it followed my own notes on the language!

2 – Anki (A flashcard app for your phone) (https://apps.ankiweb.net/) - You can create flashcards and review them during breaks (standing in line, bathroom, laying around being lazy). It helps immensely goingover characters, kanji, words, grammar over and over again using flashcards onyour phone! There's a desktop version to create and edit decks...and apps on both iphone and android that you can transfer your decks to. There's also tons of pre-made decks people have made that you can download (Hiragana and Katakana are good ones to start with)

3 – italki.com - Have conversations and lessons with a legit Japanese person! I’ve found when I learned other skills (guitar, piano, computerprogramming, etc.) that you really need someone to talk to to ask questions andcorrect you in mistakes you didn’t even know you were doing! Talking with a Japanese person greatly helps to correct your pronunciation a

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Review of current methods to learn kanji from someone that tried them all. RTK vs KKLC vs WK vs KD

I've seen a lot of questions lately about which method is best to learn kanji and what's the best way to go about it (studying in isolation vs contextually). Since when I started this post wasn't around I dabbled in all of them. So I will post the pros and cons of each method and the useful stuff you can take from each. Skip to the end if you just wanna know what to use.

Now let's review them one by one:

RTK: Heisig was a visionary, he got a lot of stuff right. Doing away with learning kanji according to frequency or due to the maturity of school children, but instead introducing *primitives* one by one and then exploring all the combinations of the primitives you know before introducing a new primitive and doing it all over again, it's just genius. You might look at it now and say it was obvious (though still a lot of people call it stupid since you can't really use them until you've learned them all), but it was pure genius. Linking it up with a mnemonic to tie together all the primitives in each kanji was truly mindblowingly brilliant. While you can learn kanji like a robot with just rote memorization, mnemonics will cut down that time significantly. He expects you to come up with your own later on in the book, but this is far too much work IMO. Luckily the community already has several great mnemonics for every character, so if you're lazy like me, take advantage of that.

However, he wrote his book in the 70's way before SRS was a thing, so it's a bit dated. Also his expectations of his students, to spend 6 months to a year in complete isolation toiling away at learning kanji before learning a single word of Japanese borders on the insane. The jōyō kanji is just too big a set for the system to work properly (and there are also gems like 桐 like WTF kind of tree is a Paulownia, I don't know what it is in the 2 languages I already speak, but I'm expected to learn the kanji for it in Japanese? No thanks.). Think about it this way, if someone merged RTK1 and 3 and put them in the correct Heisig order so you learn from few primitives to then more, would the result be better or worse than just RTK1? It would be unquestionably worse. It would add a significant amount of time to the first step of your study for very little gain (you won't be seeing RTK3 kanji on your first years of study, I guarantee it). So maybe the whole 2200 set is also not the most optimal cutting off point for this system.

Then there's the issue of the keywords. Every kanji has

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440 Days of Kanji in Context: Revised Edition Anki Vocab Deck Completed

1.0 Introduction

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I went to Kinokuniya Malaysia during KPC Cyber Deal offer on the 2nd December 2018. I thought I would find something interesting books to buy and read at home. At there, I saw a lot of unfamiliar Kanji books, some which I've not seen being recommended by anyone on the Internet. Then, I saw this purple colour textbook, Kanji in Context (KIC). Flipped everything, 2136 Jouyou Kanji covered by the publisher of Japan Times. I was an avid fan of Japan Times because they have been successfully garnered a huge audience of learners from the Western sides, especially Genki textbooks. I bought the book and when I returned home, I curiously searched this book on the Anki community. There was no one ever type a complete flashcard deck yet. Even till today.

A week later, I started to build a complete flashcard deck from scratch. On the 9th of December 2018, I started adding entries one-by-one into the Anki system. And finally, it's ready.

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Please support the author of the book.

Main Textbook (9784789015295)

And this is my Anki Shared Deck

2.0 Kanji Distributions

This Kanji in Context book has been divided into several specific levels by stages. Please refer to page [23] of the Introduction Section.

Level Number of Kanji Remarks
1 250 (0001-0250) These are elementary kanji that a learner who has completed a beginning course is expected to have already studied.
2 100 (0251-0350) These are kanji that an intermediate learner is expected to have already studied.
3 850 (0351-1200) These are kanji that are generally taught in an intermediate course.
4 220 (1201-1420) These are kanji that may be covered in certain intermediate courses but are not necessarily common to such courses, or kanji that are generally taught in advanced courses.
5 412 (1421-1832) These are kanji that may be covered in certain advanced courses but are not necessarily common to such courses.
6 110 (1833-1942) These are special kanji which appear only in the vocabulary or terminology of particular fields.
7 194 (1943-2136) These are kanji that were added to the list of Jōyō Kanji when the M
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(Warning: Morbid dad joke) True Story -- My family were planning my mum's funeral. We always try to keep things light and try to stay positive, just as Mum would have it...

The funeral director was asking us what we think Mum should wear in her casket.

Mum always loved to wear sarongs (fabric wraps that go around the torso and drape downward a bit like a long skirt would), so my uncle suggested that she wear a sarong in there.

The funeral director looked a bit confused, as did some of our family members, to which my uncle added:

"What's sarong with that?"

I started laughing like an idiot. He was proud of it too. The funeral director was rather shocked. We assured her, and our more proper relatives, that Mum would've absolutely loved the joke (which is very true).

His delivery was perfect. I'll never forget the risk he took. We sometimes recall the moment as a way help cushion the blows of the grieving process.

--Edit-- I appreciate the condolences. I'm doing well and the worst is behind me and my family. But thanks :)

--Edit-- Massive thanks for all the awards and kind words. And the puns! Love 'em.

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If my son ever came out to be trans then I wouldn’t have a son anymore

I would have a daughter

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Ah yes, pretty hip
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Dis-a-
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Don't know if this was posted here before
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Bill and Melinda Gates got divorced. Melinda got the house...

But Bill kept the Windows

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From my 5-year-old son: "Hey"

True story; it even happened last night. My 5-year-old son walks up behind me and out of the blue says, "hey."

I turn to him and say, "yeah, kiddo? What's up?"

He responds, "it's dead grass."

I'm really confused and trying to figure out what's wrong and what he wants from me. "What? There's dead grass? What's wrong with that?"

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He says, totally straight-faced, "hay is dead grass," and runs off.

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There's a word I don't understand

> The jōyō kanji (常用漢字, Japanese pronunciation: [dʑoːjoːkaꜜɲdʑi], lit. "regular-use Chinese characters") is the guide to kanji characters and their readings

I can't seem to make sense of that "readings"

Is it about their meanings ? their sounds ? the stroke order to write them ?

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Are there characters you find easier in their traditional forms?

For example I personally find 買 much simpler than 买. While it does have more strokes I find it overall easier to remember and write, since both it's components are so prominently featured in other characters. Are there any other characters where you also feel this is the case? Or do you disagree entirely?

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