Three years ago, I asked this question on the Talk page of the Wikipedia article for Iroquois, and got an answer from Wikipedian A.S. Brown. In D. Peter Macleod's book The Canadian Iroquois and the Seven Years' War, he spells an Oneida chief's name "Ou8atory". Brown used that spelling in the Wikipedia article. I looked around and at the book, and couldn't find examples of numerals being used to transliterate sounds outside of Macleod's one book, although I am aware of Oneida being transliterated with apostrophes ('), colons (:), question marks (or a similar sickle-shaped character, ʔ), and turned-Vs (ʌ). I wanted to find out if this was Macleod's bespoke transliteration or if other academics use it.

Recently, I remember coming across a webpage with another, less obscure American Indian figure whose name was also spelled with an Arabic numeral. Whatever I was reading even had an explanatory note on why there was a number in his name. I made a mental note to record it, feeling it would satisfy my questions, but now I've forgotten who it was and I can't find it in my web history. I've looked through Wikipedia category pages of American Indians, and haven't found it. Now that my memory has been jogged a bit, I think the name included a "7", and "7" may have been another way of typing that "ʔ" character. The figure was a man, and either his name or his tribe's name may have begun with an "S" or "Sh". I can't recall if this was a Wikipedia article or on some other site. I'm slightly worried that I dreamed it and mixed the dream up with real memory.

(Hm, if "7" is used in lieu of "ʔ", maybe "8" is used in lieu of the colon, which is sometimes this blocky colon of two small triangles with the points facing each other...)

So, can any linguists here with familiarity with Northeastern American Indian languages tell me if I'm on the right track, if they've seen this used by anyone besides that Peter Macleod, and who that more famous Indian figure with a "7" or "ʔ" in his name might've been?

e: The two commenters so far below have answered pretty much all my questions to my satisfaction, so read those. Thanks!

If not, how did the sachems communicate with each other during Grand Council meetings?

I read an essay yesterday about Mohawk verbs (from the book Languages and their Status). Having studied Navajo, for some time, I noticed how it seemed that Mohawk verbs (while certainly complex) were not nearly as complex as Navajo verbs. Mohawk verbs seem to have fewer components, they have simpler morphological "building-block" components, easier conjugation patterms and word derivation similar to non-Native Americans languages, etc.). Is this true of the language family in general or did the author of that essay just over-simply things?

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Hey y'all! I have a question regarding these two American languages. Does anyone know the historical/genealogical (?) relationship between these language groups? Or whether there is one?

Considering they share a continent, I thought it might be possible. Although I understand Iroquois languages to be generally mutually intelligible across its spread, whereas Uto-Aztecan languages aren't even within areas quite close to each other, so I can imagine the link would be so obscure as to have no effect. I guess I'm looking for an analogous relationship that I as a European might understanding. (Are we talking Finnish vs. Korean, or Spanish vs. Arabic? etc)

I'm basically just looking to get a clearer idea of how different Indigenous American languages are from one another.

Thank you in advance!

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I’m referring to groups like Iroquoian, Muskogean, Siouan, Algonquian, Caddoan, Numic, and so on. I’ve encountered Oceti Sakowin and Haudenosaunee people talking about their dislike of the words “Sioux” and “Iroquois”, respectively, so I’d imagine some of that probably carries over to the language families. And I can also see how Pawnee, Wichita, or Arikara people might get annoyed at their language being called “Caddoan” when they don’t belong the Caddo Nation.

In addition to terms you dislike, are there any alternatives you’d prefer non-Natives use when describing these linguistic or cultural groupings? I know some peoples in the Arctic have pushed for Inuit-Yupik-Unangan to replace the language family with a slur in its more popular name, but I’m not aware of other proposals if they exist.

What proposed language family do y'all think will be the most likely to be universally agreed upon during our lifetimes? Indo-Uralic is the one I have the most confidence in being universally agreed upon during my lifetime.

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

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This sub is mostly just NSFW puns now.

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