Instinctual (song) Puns

Based on observations of my friend, and some personal observations of my own internal emotions as someone in the spectrum as well, apparently we in the spectrum sorta feel some sort of negative emotion, whether it be disgust, anger, or whatnot, when around another person in the spectrum. Said friend told me that his friend on the spectrum suddenly just walked out angry apparently because there was another person in the spectrum near him. So, what can my fellow people in the spectrum say about this?

I’m genuinely asking. Everyone around me can’t seem to wait for a lifetime supply of mandatory government-boot-in-ass.

They make me feel like I’m insane.

Greetings, fellow Enneagrammers.

So, I've done a lot of soul searching and while I've confidently settled on my core typing (4, balanced wings), I've been having a lot of difficulty when it comes to instinctual variants (both generally and in relation to me personally).

Descriptions I've read seem to vary on definition and I've found it difficult to discern which I identify with the most, even after reading through tonnes of 20 Questions-style tests and random blog posts circa a decade ago.

For example, I usually prioritise myself over others, but I do not necessarily take care of my own needs (i.e. personal health)-- could this still be an aspect of a dominant SP or no?

Anybody got a little questionaire for me or are willing to talk out my potential stacking with me? I've delved annoyingly deep into the links shared on this sub but am still unclear of what I might be.

An evolutionary perspective on paranoia (nih.gov)

>We suggest that paranoia should not solely be viewed as a pathological symptom of a mental disorder but also as a part of a normally-functioning human psychology.

So think of it like this. Paranoia is way too common, though everyone pretends like it's not. Everyone who cares about loyalty has feared their partners cheating. Everyone who cared about democracy feared the government. In all those cases people make up irrational narratives, conspiracies, etc. It may (or not) be obvious that in a right small community situation, like we've had for 99% of our DNA, this was very effective in preventing bad actors from existing, but now with extremely big societies, and unreachable overlords - it's escalating this self-defense mechanism into infinity, and especially in cases where it's not yielding any results.
I have to wonder about how some people become religious lunatics, and derange themselves thinking it's safer for their survival than to accept reality. But if they do accept reality, they open up all the other options and sources of paranoia, even though it's definitely much better to be backed by science, than by religious delusions. It's safer, but they fail to realize it.

But then we all know there are infinite things to be paranoid about, and prevent any problem that could ever arise isn't really a good option. So what's also interesting is how exactly does paranoia become too much. Is it societal, cultural, genetic, chemical, dietary, monetary. Idk.
I remember though a guy who researched conspiracists said that people like them because they feel unsafe, and want control over their reality, which overarching myths give them. A parallel can be drawn with religion.

I have no idea if this has to do with T/being a guy/whatever or if it’s just me stereotyping too much but I swear I’ve always been a person who had a strong sense of physical aggression and wanting to be able to be big and strong and protect others. I feel a strong sense of wanting to be able to defend my mother against my abusive father and wanting to get fit so I could rush to her aid with anything as she gets old. At night I’m literally insatiable without something to hold—it’s like my brain needs to feel it’s protecting something. It doesn’t feel right being the little spoon—if I am the little spoon I still gotta hold something haha. With my friends and family I always acted very assertive way beyond what my actual physical presence could support (I’m muscular but small) so I had to tone it down a bunch. Its kinda a problem really—my brain thinks I’m bigger than I really am or some shit. It’s like my brain wants to provide and protect like it’s some stupid caveman or 1800s husband. I’ve always been like this but I can’t figure out if I’m reading too much into it or not haha. Is anyone else like this??

though i am weak,
and my bones hollow,
my body small, 
and my thoughts smaller,
i have my own wish, to be free of this     cage

https://www.reddit.com/r/OCPoetry/comments/rr8i17/explaining_victory_to_children/hqj0wvm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/OCPoetry/comments/rrluqi/the_cycle_of_life/hqj1wu9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

If you need an item, and greed everything else, if other people pass on other items the loot system will ignore the need roll you chose and automatically give you any of the other items you selected greed on based on whichever everyone passed on, and then lock you out of what you needed.

I make this post because I've never encountered a loot system like this, and there's plenty of new players who will make this mistake.

Make sure you pass on everything else or you will lose loot you needed.

I'm 9w1 and the only thing left for me is to figure out my instinctual variants. This has been the hardest for me and everybody seems to have a different opinion. I'm either a 9 SP (subtype) but if iv's are to be treated as different from enneagram, then I'm so/sx.

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I'll go first.

"Why should I even celebrate for their success? It's not like I know them or supported them? All they did was just won gold medal in the olympics, and people are saying that they made our country proud without even contributing to their success one bit."

This situation made me realize that there is a huge chance that I'm SO blind. Some of my social media friends are celebrating with posts that says they are proud of them, but I couldn't care less with what's happening as I don't really feel like it.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm also happy for them and hope that they will continue to win more stuffs, but for that time, it's not my achievement for me to celebrate.

Disclaimer: This is only for fun and shall not be used as a representation for any types. As there might be a chance that mistyping or misinformation that could happen.

• How old are you? What's your gender? Give us a general description of yourself.

19M. I’m mellow, a bit shy, chill but kind of immature IMO

• Is there a medical diagnosis that may impact your mental stability somehow?

No

• Describe your upbringing. Did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? How did you respond to it?

My upbringing is good. My parents are kinda overprotective and I think that is has been holding me back. I was an extremely sensitive and shy kid. Too kind to others even when I had to stand up for myself. Now I know that my parent’s advices are not always the best so I am not like that anymore.

• What do you do as a job or as a career (if you have one)? Do you like it? Why or why not?

I have never work yet. I study civil engineering at college. I generally like it even tho there are some lessons like maths that are extremely hard for me and I hate them.

• If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?

I'd definitely feel lonely and bored without my best friend or at least some other friends

• What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

I enjoy working out at gym. I mostly do it in order to get a better body tbh but I like working out too. I also draw sometimes

• How curious are you? Do you have more ideas than you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

I'm really not curious tbh. Theories tend to bore and confuse me

• Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

I wouldn’t be that interested. I would feel uncomfortable making decisions for others. I’d be a laidback kind of leader

• Are you coordinated? Why do you feel as if you are or are not? Do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? Describe your activity?

Not really. I’m a pretty clumsy person and my social anxiety doesn’t help. I like working with my hands thought when I’m focused by drawing or sketching

• Are you artistic? If yes, describe your art? If you are not particularly artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forms of art you enjoy. Please explain your answer.

I have an artistic side. I used to draw A LOT as a child. I still do but not very ofte

As a probable 6, I highly relate to skepticism and anxiety. I also relate to needing reassurance time to time, even if I sometimes don't notice it. And I relate to seeing worst-case-scenarios as well. Oh, and the need to confront fears sometimes for self-improvement. That's a textbook 6... well, I don't really relate to traditional, workaholic, prepper, dislikes change, and I'm not THAT loyal (I won't betray someone, but I won't completely tie myself either) I don't realte much to being a workaholic under disintegration either. I become either more anxious, critical of myself and a perfectionist, or more unhappy and gloomy. (the anxiety may actually be a mental condition rather than a personality trait as it involves extremely irrational things)

Sometimes, I think I may actually be a 4. My childhood problem was more of an envy and anxiety only arose when physical death is concerned. My anxiety has only become a more serious problem more recently. I was also considered more unique than "fitting-in" (I remember an instance when I worried about things when I haven't worn my school uniform though) but I sometimes thought that I don't have enough achievements and abilities. My artistic side became stronger over time.

I may also be a 9 because I am highly peace-oriented and go-with-the-flow and the way that I relate to all types except the 9 itself. I am not considered that grounded though and I can be pretty head-in-clouds. I am also more focused on my own needs than an average nine as well.

I have even considered 7 because of my taste for new information, versatility, and the avoidance of pain. But I related too little with blind optimism. (probably the main problem of a 7 but it may be false) That doesn't mean I'm a negaholic, just probably I'm not optimistic enough to be a 7. I fit into many of its traits though and I may even be a 7 with a strong 6 wing. I also have a stress reaction pretty similar to disintegrating into 1 and it (and the type 9 going to 6 reaction) fits me far better than the type 6 going to 3 reaction.

As for type 1, I highly value being a good or moral person but it isn't my main concern. I fear the punishment or losing my freedom more than actually being considered evil. I wouldn't want to be considered evil but I couldn't relate to resentment or strict organization. I don't even ralte to the internal critic unless something major happens. I relate to the "depressive under stress" though.

The types that I have eliminated were 2, 3

Topics SX types might bring up in conversation:

experiences, personal likes, and dislikes, emotional and mental states, excitement, elation, ecstasy, intensity, energy, attraction/repulsion.

passion, connection, desire, wants and wishes, possessiveness, jealousy, beauty, attractiveness, relationships, intimacy, sex, closeness, mating, risky activities, rebelliousness

how SX users are: intense, emotionally intense, competitive, assertive, prone to jealousy, fiery, strong preferences, not that interested in mainstream media, less need for social interactions, doesn’t care much for status, popularity, often have an air of mystery or charisma that pulls others in

Summary of SX:

primary concern - intense experiences, connections, wide-ranging and exploratory, in order to find something to "complete" them inside ( deep conversations, exciting movies, intimacy)

primary focus - people and attractions promising intense energy and charge

primary ambition - looking outside themselves for the person or situation that will complete them, and then obsessing over that completing element

primary stresses - lack of intense mental or emotional stimulation, lack of an intense connection or experience

- https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/the-resource-thread-for-instinctual-variants-and-stackings.118168/

how SX users may come off in IRL (more so directed at sx/sp's):

https://istj-hedonist.tumblr.com/post/156911707003/visual-typing-instinctual-variants

• intense ***(most likely IV's to have RBF)***, may come off as unintentionally intimidating ( and sx users often are unaware too) ; misconception that they may dislike the victim in speaking

• challenging eyes (often slightly squinted)

• eyebrows either straight and/or with sharp angles

• mysterious and attractive, intense, powerful, charismatic, mysterious aura/energy

how SX users ^((SO blinds)******) may display cruelty - ^(https://re-fi-ne-ment.tumblr.com/post/161035338043/instinctual-variants-and-cruelty)

• cruel to anyone and everyone that wishes to be their friend, but doesn’t fall within their Sx category. ( either *not interesting, devoted, or intense enoug

When I took the sakinorva ennea test, I got sx/so. I also took another IV test but got so/sp. I'm definitely sure that I'm not sp dom. What differentiates sx from so? I would appreciate if someone could answer or give me a link to read. I'm a 9w1, btw. Should I look into the subtypes of 9 too?

1: i find it important to stay informed (news, media, science etc).

not at all. i’m more in my own world and i have no idea what’s happening around me most of the times whether it is in my city or globally i can’t ever keep up with the media.

2: i have a strong instinctive like or dislike to people. it’s largely unexplainable and i don’t change my opinion.

i easily catch on people’s vibes but if i get a bad vibe from someone and i can’t rly explain it i’m willing to give them a chance to prove me wrong. but it’s generally hard for me to dislike someone because i always tend to see the good in others and even tho i’m aware of their bad sides, i don’t pay much attention to that. i can tolerate a lot of misbehaviour from others but the moment i decide i dislike you even if u find the cure for cancer my opinion on u won’t change.

3: i have an innate knowledge of forming boundaries for myself

not really. i’ve recently learnt how to set boundaries for myself but it wasn’t rly something that came naturally. but i’m always aware when someone is crossing boundaries i just didn’t rly mind as long as the other person was happy doing that.

4: i find it painful to be outcasted

yes in a way. i mean who rly wants to be an outcast? its always nice to feel like you belong but i think that it’s a want rather than a need for me. i feel uncomfortable if i don’t fit in but at the same time i admire people that have the courage to be original and stand out. i wanna be the most interesting out of the ones that fit in if it makes sense lol.

5: i like to make sure i have what i need. i find comfort being well-equipped, so i’ve made it a habit.

so this is a bit weird to answer because i’m either the most prepared person for something or i won’t prepare for it at all there’s no in between. so basically if i decide to get prepared i’ll take it all the way or i’ll do the bare minimum. for example i went camping with a couple of friends last summer and i made my stuff half an hour before i needed to go so i was the least prepared person there. but other times i’ll make sure to prepare for every single little thing.

6: i have a bottomless craving for being closely connected to a select few people/person. it actually makes me feel invigorated and alive.

very much yes. the thing i crave the most atm is to deeply connect with someone whether it’s in a platonic or romantic way doesn’t rly matter. i can become obsessive in my behaviour whether it’s a person or topi

Just wondering, instinctual variants relate to a person's preferences and what they seek, but not as to success in achieving those preferences, right? So, for example, a hypochondriac could be an SP-dom (as they seek health primarily, but just in the wrong way) even though their actions might be self-defeating?

Admittedly, I do see the world more black and white beneath the surface - compared to thinking I see the world as gray - I do see the world as grayish, but it took time to develop that perspective. And I do find comfort in existing systems of structures.

And when I cook a meal, I follow the recipe to tje decimal so that if something goes wrong I can blame the cook book. I've been perceived as a perfectionist that needs to lighten up, but deep down it's fear, not anger.

Also take both a phobic and counterphobic approach to overcoming.

Not asking to be typed - all done - just asking if you can still be the guardian and be introverted.

Okay so I’ve read a lot about them. Likethis thread for example.

At first I was confused between sp/so, sp/sx and so/sx.

Then I narrowed that down and was almost certain I was so/sx based on the description.

But now I’m confused again. Because of varying descriptions and also the dumb stereotype memes. I’m also wondering how much anxiety/trauma/etc can affect it..

I’m a 4w5 INFJ btw.

Found that Yanderes are usually an sx-dom, so I'm curious how its attraction would look like across Instinctual Variants (although they may not necessarily related).

Btw, they come with various 'flavors' (Google: Yandere types).

* take it easy! :v

EDIT: Thanks for participating!

EDIT: I love yandere!

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Does anybody have any questionnaires or just regular questions you could ask me that might help me figure out what my dominant instinctual variants are? There’s part of me that can see a bit of myself in all of them but then again I could just be imagining myself being so-proficient, because I’ve realized that I do do that sometimes. Links to articles would be appreciated but not quite as much so because I’d rather talk to a person about it–I like the question-answer-question-answer dynamic-sort-of-thing. I’m a 5w4, by the way. Please help !

hello. i dont know much about instinctual variants so... is it possible to be for example intj 5w4 and have so/sx variant? not saying im intj 5w4 i just wonder if thats possible, bc both intj and 5w4 are quite introverted types, their focus of attention is internal, so would it be possible for them to have dominant SO variant? Or be sx/so? could it work like that?

I've read The Complete Enneagram by Beatrice Chestnut but I was wondering if there are any other books that go into greater detail about the instincts and/or how they present in each type?

So, I'm a little confused...

1. If you are a Sp/So 7w8 does that mean you are a Sp 7 as you dominant and So 8 as your subdominant?
2. If you're a Sx/Sp 548 does that mean you're a Sx5 sp4 and a So8? or how does that work?
3. Lastly, do/can tritypes have wings?

Thank you in advance!

So I am fairly certain I'm a 6w5. However, I struggle to know my IV stack.

I originally thought I was so/sx because of some description I read. But now I've read more descriptions and relate more to SX dom. However, I wouldn't say I act very counterphobic in public. I also struggle because I relate to all three IVs.

Here are some points of relation to each IV

SX

-I've been known to put close friends to the test in the past. I have actually lost friends because I kept questioning them and messing with them to test their true loyalty.

-I feel very connected with my passion. I often want to not do something if my heart isn't all in it. For example, I struggle to want sex unless I am really feeling passion for it. I will often avoid doing things that aren't exciting.

-I get in arguments with people I am close to quite frequently. But this is something I mainly do with my partner and no one else. I will keep talking about the thing until he can convince me that my stance on something is not right.

-With other people, I will feel anger like I want to tell them to not do something but I am too scared to do it. And I don't want them to hate me. But I can ruminate on that thing all night and imagine what I could have said to them about that thing.

-I often get this sense of wanting to be vulnerable and open as if that's the most fulfilling thing I could be, but I get too scared to do it to people. I often subtly do it though.

-I do relate to the "chasing people you have the most passion for" thing rather than who is compatible. In school, I used to chase a "bad boy" and in later times, I was dating someone who pushed every button I could ever own but still managed to interest me. It took almost a full year to leave that relationship. By fluke, I have finally managed to land in a relationship with someone more compatible for me because we also had the passion.

-Honestly when I imagine what I would be like at my best, I just imagine a very passionate and open person who isn't afraid of what others think of them.

-if my romance is not lit, I don't want it.

-I just have this raging passion inside that constantly wants to be expressed. And the only thing holding it back is my care about other people not liking it or me not knowing how to control it properly in a way where I don't hurt people with it.

-I am very reactive and can easily form my own thoughts about something. I'm very "self aware" and can often know how I feel about something. However, I of

my trifix is 5w4 - 4wX - 8w9 and my IV is sp/sx. my question is, will every fix be sp/sx or can they be different from one another?

I am an INFP 6w5. I am struggling to type myself because different pieces of the internet are saying different things. One says SO is about knowing your place and another says it's about caring about others, for example. And I don't see any easy guide saying what they are on reddit. So this is why I ask.

The closest thing to a questionnaire I could find is this set of questions from u/bibliology so this is what I'll be using to help people type me.

1. I find it important to stay informed (news, memes, media, science, etc.)

I mean.. I like it. But I don't like it that much. My boyfriend, on the other hand, watches hour long videos about this stuff (mainly media). Okay, but really. I wouldn't say I'm too fussed about it, but it would be cool if I just automatically knew this stuff without having to waste time researching it, if that makes sense. I like knowing what's going on, especially if my friends are talking about it or if it becomes huge in conversation. But if it doesn't have much to do with me, I'm really not too fussed.

2. I have a strong instinctive like or dislike to people. It's largely unexplainable and I don't change my opinion.

Well.. kind of.. but not exactly. I can really like or dislike someone out of nowhere, but my opinion definitely can change. In fact, usually it does. And it usually is explainable, actually. I can constantly switch between thinking someone is great and the same person sucks. People can really upset me, and some I even consider unredeemable, but I try hard to see good in people where I am able to. But even then, I can't help but remember the bad about them as well. I guess I can like and dislike everyone at the same time, if that makes sense.

3. I have an innate knowledge of forming boundaries for myself.

...Yes. I definitely do create boundaries. In fact, I think I create way too many boundaries between me and other people. I avoid lots of social situations in fear that I'll be uncomfortable in that social situation. I push people away in fear of the discomfort that having them close has the possibility of causing. It's way too over the top, and I know it is, but I struggle to stop.

4. I find it painful to be outcasted.

Well.. yeah. But it depends on the situation. If I'm sitting by myself when there's a lot of other people, I don't automatically think "this sucks". I can have a lot of fun by myself. But.. if I saw someone in that group of people that I really like or some people I called friends that have ou

So, the world was overrun by slime-demons taking the shape of humans, we are in a skyscraper trying to find a sanctuary where no demons can exist. We find it, it is guarded by angels and other creatures, my group can enter but I cannot for some reason. The demons catch up with us, one particularly strong demon is tall, quite slim and has purple hair, I decide that if I can't enter then I will be going all out swinging until the bitter end. I start throwing punches and kicks against all the demons there going berserk on a whole other level in order to stay alive. In the dream I grow much taller and bulkier in (presumed to be because of the berserk state which effects my dream projected character). All the demons fall against me but one, this strong one with purple hair stand in my way. We begin battle and he can handle my strength and speed, as we fight we arrive at the stairwell leading infinitly far down. He grabs me and jumps down, we both fall.

At the start of the fall I fellt that fear when you fall in dreams, knowning certain doom is coming. But I snap out of it, all the fear disappears from my mind once I start focusing on my opponent again, I grab him while we are falling and start headbutting the fucker repeatedly, punching away with all my might. We both hit the floor below in crashing speeds, the demon lies there unmoving while I rise from the floor.

The dream changes scene after this but I can't remember anything other than the fact that is does.

My instinctual variants are really difficult for me to figure out. sx/so is the one I WANT to be, and I'm incredibly biased bc it's the variant I like the most. It's a kind of romanticized variant and all the cool characters have it, so ofc I'm biased to want to think that's my variant set. I've always assumed I'm sx first because I need close connections or I feel really empty. I'd rather have a few close friends/a s/o than have a big group of superficial connections. I like hanging out with ppl in groups, but being with someone who understands me and just being close with them is probably the best thing in life. I also think I've repressed this because it causes problems - I can be really awful to people I'm close to because I'm afraid they're going to leave, and I've been so intense to people that they had to cut me off because I went too far trying to make them stay when they weren't rlly ever going to leave? Recently, because of all that, it's like I've cut off all my emotional ties to people in an effort not to hurt them, and life feels incredibly boring and lackluster as a result. I imagine that could be me repressing my sx variant? I'm always thinking about hypothetical relationships but the ones right in front of me I tend to neglect or just avoid because I've screwed up so many times that it feels like me being emotionally present = causing harm. If I'm connected to my positive feelings for people and acting on them, I'm also connected to my irrational anger towards them and more likely to act on that. I still feel those things sometimes - but recently I've been avoiding a lot of the people I don't want to hurt. As for sp, I am pretty good about drinking my water, eating food, honestly I'm the first one to notice I'm hungry/thirsty out of all of my friends usually lol. But I doubt I'm sp first... it just doesn't make sense. I'm not that focused on money and food and health. I think about it but not all that often unless I have good reason to be stressed about it (I've been close to not making rent and ofc I'm reasonably stressed about getting kicked out of my apartment lol) but generally it's not my first priority. I just also don't suck at it. So... maybe I'm the worst at this one? I like people, but I'm not so great at small talk. I'm really bad at getting socially established at places like work. I'm not great at making friends because I overthink so much. I want friends, and I like when I have them, but I have a tendency to zero in on just on

Seriously, which sadistic ape man decided he wanted to heat and burn the skin of an animal he killed in excited animalistic sadism and then eat it just to see what it did, cause he was just a naive and probably dominant abusive animal thing that just wanted to kill an animal and then decided to cook it over a fire cause its sadisticly pleasurable, spinning it around and watching its skin get burned and it shrivel up a bit then eat it anyways cause he was an instinctual sadistic thing that plays with his food like a serial killer might and just wanted to hurt it more and then nom nom om nom nom om nom.

And found out it was so tasty no one stopped doing that ever again cause it was so much tastier.

Meanwhile in 2021, its still rude to play with your broccoli at the dinner table before you eat it, because manners are important to a civil society, but don't forget to eat your roast beef on our facier pans that actually lay the meat on a hot bed that cooks it in an even more sadistic way then the fucking pig spun over a fire roast.

Boy have things changed in a weirdly obscure way.

Seriously, why are people so sortof afraid of what was probably not preoccupied with hurting its own kind just hunting other things until you took away all the hunting and killing other things so it had to stare at itself with killer impulses and then started runningbout of blockages in its brain to stop it from pouncing on something cause no, it bad appearently to play with your food cause its uncivilized, but we'll still roast the beef on a hot pan without admitting its mildly sadistic in a fucked up way.

Grrr, doggo deman grumpy about the hypocrisy.

It's something I've been questioning recently

Mine is sx/sp, any others? :]