Could an open cycle nuclear thermal-electric hybrid rocket (NTER) have the propellant make more than two passes through the reactor?

Okay, first of all: what the hell is a nuclear thermoelectric rocket? I won't give too long of an explanation, you can already find one in Atomic Rockets, ToughSF, and in this academic paper, but the TL;DR of it is that it achieves higher nozzle temperatures (thus higher exhaust velocities) without requiring hotter reactors. This gives you the relatively high Isp of low-end electrical drives and the high thrust of nuclear-thermal rockets without resorting to borderline clarketech like fusion drives and gas core drives. The most promising method through which this could be accomplished is having the propellant do two passes through the reactor. In the first, the heated propellant runs an electric generator. Since the generator is a Carnot cycle heat engine, this will cool the propellant down - though only to a point. In the second pass, the propellant is heated back up and vented through an expansion nozzle out into space, providing thrust - though not before an electric arcjet or magnetoplasmadynamic system re-injects the energy extracted from the first pass for an extra kick. Since the propellant doubles as coolant, this NTER needs no radiators.

My question here is: can this idea be expanded into a system that does three or more cycles through the reactor, with the energy from all the previous cycles being re-added into the end of last cycle where the propellant is vented out into space? Obviously adding more cycles would cause complexities and innefficies due to the Carnot cycle to pile up, leading to a point of diminishing returns, but where would that point be? At the 4th or 5th cycle, maybe?

Edit: from what I've gathered from some further digging I did on this, it seems the answer to my question would be no. Since each pass through the reactor would happen at a lower pressure than the last (this is the only way to cool down propellant in between loops without radiators), it would make more sense to have a higher pressure difference between the 1st and 2nd loop than having 3 or more loops wi

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can I 3d print hybrid rocket propellant grains.

theoretically any flammable material would work in a hybrid rocket, so I was wondering if I could 3d print propellant grains for one. I'm thinking about using pet or petg plastic because its similar to the hdpe used for other hybrid rockets.

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What propellants could be used to up TWR/ISP for Hybrid rockets from Aluminium/Lox? What could be used for this same function from the generic Solid Fuel?

I am currently working on a mod with some others that is highly realism-based, (KSPIE) and I personally am currently working on adding some more fuel options so certain engines can be specialised for more uses. However, I am stuck on the Hybrid and Solid engines. Help?

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SpaceX begins filling Starship’s orbital launch site with rocket propellant teslarati.com/spacex-star…
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Can someone help me with approximate quantities for rocket and gun propellant volumes?

My concept is near-future (so similar to current tech) lunar expeditionary war, the main power source for suits and vehicles is Hydrogen Fuel Cells, the cryo liquids are used for coolant, and the water byproduct is used for life support. The technology is capable of using solar power to recycle the water back into Hydrogen fuel so for most uses the suit is pretty much self-sustaining. However the vehicle rockets are mostly powered by Hydrolox engines, and the weapons use Hydrolox mixtures as propellant, so in this case the hydrogen/oxygen is a consumable.

*Apporoximately*, to the nearest tonne, how much Hydrolox fuel would a 1 tonne vehicle use to hover at the moon per minute?

*Approximately* how much Hydrolox is needed to fire a bullet at a decent velocity (~1000m/s)?

Would it be impractical to have the propellant stored as cartriges or should the weapon be fed via an umbilical connection to the suit? (The suits already have an umbilical to cool the barrel and provide HUD info)

I think it's more practical for larger calibre weapons, such as armoured vehicles, tanks, and emplacements, to use a mixture of chemical and electromagnetic propulsion, my concept is a Gauss barrel which accelerates a ferrous projectile which is initiated by a Hydrolox charge.

Reasons for using Hydrolox as the main propellant are that water is relatively abundant on the moon, carbon is very scarce. This makes gunpowder and other organic chemical alternatives impractical, plus all vehicles and suits will have a supply of hydrogen and oxygen for life support anyway.

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Rocket Propellant. Proud of myself on this one. I thought it was going to score low compared to everyone else.
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Copenhagen Suborbitals stacking their Spica rocket propellant tanks youtu.be/u-g0VJhjoF8
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Rocket cryogenic propellant tanks

Hey, I’m doing a project on composites for my engineering degree and have been basing it on design and construction of cryogenic tanks. Can anyone point me in the direction of good resources for such composite tanks?

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Copenhagen Suborbitals stacking their Spica rocket propellant tanks youtu.be/u-g0VJhjoF8
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Explosives in Rocket Propellants

I'm in a class about aerospace propulsion including air breathing systems, rockets, and some other propulsion. Today we talked about solid propellant rocket motors, and my professor mentioned that explosives are sometimes added to solid propellants. I've talked to him a bit more about it, and he said it's because of their energetically favorable properties. However, we also talked about how critically important the burning rate is for design solid rockets. I asked and he said they don't detonate in this case (of course, we also mentioned that rockets going boom = bad).

Most solid propellants are basically a rubber/plastic with oxidizer (ammonium perchlorate is common)/extra fuel (like a metal (usually aluminum) or explosives) mixed in. I'm confused about what part of this prevents detonation of the explosive itself. I thought it'd be that it wasn't in high enough concentrations throughout the substrate, but my prof said that wasn't it. I also thought that maybe it was temperature-insensitive explosives that're used, but then I wouldn't think it'd add energy to the burn, defeating the whole point of adding it in the first place. I don't know what explosives specifically are used. (Maybe I wasn't clear when I asked him about the concentrations).

Ultimately I guess I'm just a little confused, so I was wondering if anyone could give me a crash course in some explosive physics. I know a detonation is a supersonic propagation of the flame front, deflagration is subsonic, and that explosives need a critical mass and a shock (physical, temperature, etc.), both of which depend on the chemical, of some kind to actually detonate. Specifically, what lets us add explosives to a solid propellant while maintaining the ever important constraint that rocket = no boom?

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I don't want to build one, but you lot who make liquid fueled rockets, what propellants do you use, hypergols?

Mods, if this is too unsafe you can take it down, makes perfect sense and I won't be mad

EDIT: PLEASE take it down if it is, I don't want anyone getting hurt from my post

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A picture I took today of a new rocket propellant.
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Rocket Propellant limit question

Looking to get started putting in my form 1 for my 3rd book so I can start build it next year.

I’m looking at a para or commando version of the RPG7 or the Polish RPG-76

Both will require a more then 4 ounces of propellant

β€œThe term β€œdestructive device” means (1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E) mine, or”

The ammunition on both designs will use rocket motors(APCP), the RPG7 will also have a Pyrodex booster stage.

I’m debating if I need to form 1 per round, and whether I should leave the explosive check box unchecked since I won’t have an explosive payload above 1/4 ounce and neither propellants are considered explosives from my understanding.

Before I write to the ATF or just submit the form 1 per round, is there a NFA attorney that could help clarify what I am supposed to do in regards to a non explosive rocket but has over 4 ounces of propellant

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Stacking DIY rocket booster propellant tanks youtu.be/u-g0VJhjoF8
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Stacking the Spica rocket propellant tanks youtu.be/u-g0VJhjoF8
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ULA on Twitter: "The Pathfinder Tanking Test operations continued this week as the #VulcanCentaur rocket was successfully fueled with liquified natural gas (LNG) propellant for the first time!" twitter.com/ulalaunch/sta…
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Homemade Rocket Propellant Test v.redd.it/ffnlpgfo6my71
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Cannon that uses rocket fuel as a propellant (CLG)

Yes, you heard the title correctly. CLG(G) (Combustion Light Gas) cannons use a mixture of lox2 (liquid oxygen) and lh2 (liquid hydrogen) as a propellant for its ammunition.

4cm C.L.G Cannon (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA462130.pdf)

This mixture is highly reactive and is significantly more powerful than conventional cannons. On top of that, it maintains stable temperatures while firing.

C.L.G Model (https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2010/armament/WednesdayLandmarkADavidKruczynski_StephenFloroff.pdf)

Although, there are issues with storing propellant. As it is reliant on making large explosions, it will fry the grew of a tank if given the chance.

Now, for sources and whatnot:

1.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axmmzf8Au0A (Spookston)

2.)https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA462130.pdf

3.)https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2010/armament/WednesdayLandmarkADavidKruczynski_StephenFloroff.pdf

Share your opinions!

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RP-1/RO/RSS Rocket Flameout with 34 m/s delta-V left no matter what cause 'No propellant. Any help? (mod list included) reddit.com/gallery/qga3sq
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A microbial Martian colony: Designing the bioproduction of Martian rocket propellant via a biotechnology-enabled in situ resource utilization strategy nature.com/articles/s4146…
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China completes testing of its largest solid propellant carrier rocket in terms of liftoff weight youtube.com/watch?v=mqkvQ…
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Could a nuclear thermal rocket warship use the NTR engine's hydrogen propellant to also fuel light gas guns?

For anyone not in the know, light gas guns are what NASA uses to simulate micrometeor strikes. They've been around for a lot longer than railguns and coilguns, operate at far lower temperatures than current magnetic weapons, and can accelerate projectiles to 11km/s and beyond while railguns struggle to reach 4km/s. Their main disadvantage, which keeps them from being adopted by militaries, is that hydrogen is terribly inconvenient to store, but if you're on an NTR warship, you'll already need to store H2 as propellant anyways, so why not use these guns?

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China has conducted the first ignition test for the world's most powerful solid-propellant rocket engine, according to the Academy of Aerospace Solid Propulsion Technology in Xi'an, Shaanxi province chinadaily.com.cn/a/20211…
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NASA F-1 engine. Five F-1 engines were used in the S-IC first stage of each Saturn V, which served as the main launch vehicle of the Apollo program. The F-1 remains the most powerful single combustion chamber liquid-propellant rocket engine ever developed
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This New Rocket Engine Uses Shock Waves As Propellant interestingengineering.co…
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This New Rocket Engine Uses Shock Waves As Propellant interestingengineering.co…
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UCLA sets altitude record for a student built liquid bi-propellant rocket with flight to 20,000’ (Videos and info in comments)
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Where can I buy a Liquid Propellant Rocket Engine in India or in Other Countries?
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Future rockets could fly with lighter tanks made of lightweight carbon fibre reinforced plastic without metal liners for cryogenic propellants esa.int/Enabling_Support/…
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Elon Musk on Twitter: T/W will be ~1.5, so it will accelerate unusually fast. High T/W is important for reusable vehicles to make more efficient use of propellant, the primary cost. For expendable rockets, throwing away stages is the primary cost, so optimization is low T/W. twitter.com/elonmusk/stat…
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A rocket engine works by releasing mass at a very high velocity. This mass is called β€˜propellant’. The spacecraft will move to the opposite direction from which the propellant is released.
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304L Rocket propellant tank pressure test to 30 bar youtu.be/BpZocVULtkA
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ARCA Announces new a new, green rocket propellant: Mud! v.redd.it/wr1kiv0trcr61
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Why don't rockets use spherical tanks instead of cylindrical tanks to store propellants ?

If you take a look at the Soviet N1 rocket, it used spherical tanks in all of its first 3 stages and theoretically, a spherical pressure vessel hasΒ approximately twice the strength of a cylindrical pressureΒ vessel with the same wall thickness, and is the ideal shape to hold internal pressure. Although nowadays rockets use spheres to store prop.; they are generally used for storing monopropellants, or liq. N2 for RCS thrusters of a rocket. But why doesnt anyone use spherical tanks as the main prop tanks in the main stages of a rocket ?

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What exactly is solid rocket propellant and why can't it be made with an ISRU?

Not being able to throttle down or stop the reaction makes a small amount of sense to me, but what doesn't is why we cannot refuel them after they have been used.

Does using the rocket somehow destroy the components during use or is this mechanic to keep us from reusing the overpowered SRBs with gimbals on interplanetary burns?

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There was once a commercially available liquid-propellant rocket kit

It was called the SS67B-2 (later SS67B-3) and was made by a Canadian company called Systeme Solaire.

https://rocketdungeon.blogspot.com/2012/06/rocketaholic-provides-amateur-rocketry.html

http://pages.total.net/~launch/ss67b3.htm

http://www.ukrocketman.com/rocketry/liquids.shtml

From the outside, the SS67B-3 looked much like an ordinary high-power rocket; it was 4" dia. and about 6 feet tall. It ran on ordinary gasoline and H2O2, which were fed into the engine by pressure provided by a reservoir filled with dry ice (carbon dioxide).

According to the UKRocketMan article linked above, the SS67B-3's performance was mediocre due to a poor thrust-to-weight ratio. It depended on drag separation of the nose cone to deploy the parachute, which seems very dicey for such a large, heavy, and expensive rocket. Most people who built one probably chose to add an altimeter and ejection charge.

It's safe to say that Systeme Solaire didn't sell very many of these kits. The disadvantages were obvious: the $1098 price tag, the safety issues involved in handling hydrogen peroxide, and the fact that it couldn't be flown at NAR events.

Did anyone out there build one of these rockets, and if so, what were your experiences?

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Aerojet nuclear Thermal Rocket specs and In-situ use of propellants

Aerojet nuclear Thermal Rocket specs and In-situ use of propellantsπŸ“·

From the presentation: 2850K fuel temp, 893s Isp, 550MWt, 12.9kg/s and 113kN thrust.

Interrestingly, they discuss use of ammonia and as propellant as well: Isp of 360/315s respectively .

Source: https://nets2021.ornl.gov/wp-content/uploads/gravity_forms/12-b63a96649a525ab5aa39d607840d9d9f/2021/04/In-Situ-Propellant-for-NTP-Engines.pdf

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304L Rocket propellant tank pressure test to >30bar youtu.be/BpZocVULtkA
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How I can calculate propellant mass for rocket?

Hi guys! When I build my rocket, I have a question: "How many propellant I need to reach the orbit?".

Usually I take liquid fuel tanks randomly. But, I want to know exactly how many fuel I need.

Does anyone have formula to calculate this?

For example:

I have sputnik that have 10t mass. And I have engine that generate 300Kn force.

How many fuel I need to throw sputnik on Kerbal orbit?

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First day playing this game, optimizing Rocket Propellant from initial 100+ cycles to 51 feels amazing!
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Been working on some rocket propellant and thought you might enjoy a little test piece v.redd.it/0k5yxhjt38d61
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KSR-1A Static Testing. A liquid bi-propellant rocket (methanol/nitrous), built in kuwait. Check out our instagram @KuwaitSpaceRocket v.redd.it/na9iqkyhkdl61
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Charles Hoskinson, in rare photo next to his Z-00M-3R Rocket project in (2019) this is powered by the SuperDraco Liquid-propellant engine that delivers 67,000N of thrust courtesy of SpaceX.
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which site would give a rocket propellant's performance characteristics?
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How and Where can I buy a Liquid Propellant Rocket Engine in India or in Other Countries?
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Aerojet nuclear Thermal Rocket specs and In-situ use of propellants

From the presentation: 2850K fuel temp, 893s Isp, 550MWt, 12.9kg/s and 113kN thrust.

Interrestingly, they discuss use of ammonia and as propellant as well: Isp of 360/315s respectively .

Source: https://nets2021.ornl.gov/wp-content/uploads/gravity_forms/12-b63a96649a525ab5aa39d607840d9d9f/2021/04/In-Situ-Propellant-for-NTP-Engines.pdf

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