So fellas, i never got the Yueyang, always just hung on to Chung mu. However with the buff is this a sign of potentially more, and does it make it worth it?
I've been grinding my way up the Pan Asian DD line, and it's been... bumpy. The ships are kind of all over the place, and some have been really frustrating to play. I really like the Deepwater Torpedo gimmick though, and I finally pushed through into T9 - Chung Mu.
I think I really like this ship. It's nimble, it has good concealment, it finally has decent range on the deepwater torps, and it has that wonderful PA Smoke that just keeps going and going.
I'm loving it, but I'm also I'm wondering what to expect from T10 - Yueyang, and if it's worth the upgrade.
With some googling, I found a lot of discussions from back in 2018, when I guess it got nerfed pretty hard? (People were saying it was going to be actually worse than the T9)
Was this true? Is this still the case? As someone who really enjoys the sneaky, low-reaction-time Deepwater Torpedos, YY's 13.5k range seems like a nice upgrade, but the +20 sec reload time feels rough.
Captains of reddit, what are your thoughts on the Yueyang and Chung Mu?
I was going through my port, dusting off my never used Tier 10s, when I spied the Yueyang languishing in indignity.
Now, I'm not going to go over all the nerfs that WG hit that poor boat with, suffice it to say that when WG hit Henri, I told myself, "Ooo that ship got Yueyanged. So for those not in the know, the Yueyang used to be one of the foremost DDs back in the day, and now is probably one of the least played TXs.
As I gazed at it, slowly rusting, I started looking at it's strengths- long range torps with low reaction times, rapidly CD smoke generator with high charges, low concealment, and good maneuverability, and I thought to myself, "Huh. I know it's gun DPM is total garbage, and it sucks as a cap contestor, but in todays Meta of 2-4 radar cruisers per side +/- a CV, this could be a good teamplay ship". And with that in mind, I re-speced it as a torpedo boat and I've been having a lot of fun.
It has 5.8 km concealment, can quickly smoke up to avoid rocket planes, with enough AA to quickly kill fighter spotters, has a 100s CD on 13.5 km deepwater torps (that nobody remembers can hit cruisers), can actually run from trouble unlike the Halland, and has enough guns that it can kill wounded DDs.
TL:DR- Yueyang isn't terrible for randoms anymore
Pretty please?
Other than the deepwater torps and the choice of radar how different does the YueYang play vs the gearing. I have the gearing but am considering girding the Yueyang. Does it play similar enough that the same tactics work for both?
For those who don't know, YY used to be much less horrible. Here is the dev blog that illustrates. It lost 33.3% gun rate of fire!!!! Just enormous. 15% torpedo reload. These were not small changes! We pleaded with them when news of the coming gun AND torp nerf was coming: just take off the radar! If you think it's so great, put in something else.
I have the Legendary module for YY. You give up concealment module in exchange for 10% guns and torp reload and worse smoke/radar. That's right, you give up concealment on a destroyer and weaken one of the gimmicks of YY just so that it still be suckier than every other DD at torping or gunning or even the hybrid torp-gunners.
YY has DW torps. Which are damn hard to detect/dodge. I believe the hardest in the game by far. Not even Asashio DW torps are more difficult to spot at T8! But it doesn't have reload booster or particularly fast reload at all, even with all the modules. It's no Asashio, especially on torp damage and range. And no player ever says, "uh oh, they have a YY on the other team, be careful."
It's got the suckiest radar in the game and that was considered so powerful and game-breaking (in CW???) they nerfed the ever-loving crap out of the entire ship. Even with legendary mod you're nowhere close to where you were before the nerfs. And gunboats or hybrids can easily outshoot you and torp boats or hybrids can easily out torp you (you can't torp them at all, of course).
Can we admit that radar isn't such a big deal any longer in World of Planes and Radar? Is anyone really clamoring to have a YY put on their team to get the job done that no other DD can manage?
I really loved YY but not only has it not aged well in its original form, but it's post-nerf abilities are straight up garbage. It isn't particularly good at anything. It's not even at hybrid levels. It used to be basically a Gearing with DW. Now it's a Gearing with garbage guns and slow-reloading DW with a Legendary that nerfs it's consumables.
It's okay to admit the nerf was overblown. No one plays the ship anymore. Why would you?
They are so similar
tl;dr - Shima's buff is needed and balanced, YueYang has been nerfed into the ground.
I wanted to see how Shima and YeuYang would look on paper given the upcoming changes, so I made a spreadsheet - I decided it might be interesting to some of you guys, so I'm going to share it here.
#Image of the spreadsheet (Now updated to give correct fire % for Shima, and correct torpedo reload for Z-52)
Some things to note before analysing:
- Stats all taken from wowsft.com, the nerfs/buffs manually added by me
- Stats are given with no captain skills or modules, except concealment expert and concealment module. I figured that including recommended captain set-ups and legendary modules would make this too confusing.
- Consumables are also not present, so for example Harugumo's torpedo DPM is actually much higher than shown due to it's reload booster consumable.
- Obviously you're never going to hit these theoretical DPM or fires-per-minute values in-game, but they do allow us to compare ships
- There are also some things that don't translate well to stats, like the tendency of Grozovoi to eat BB AP - stats obviously don't give the whole picture but I think that this is still a useful comparison tool.
- The colouring of the cells is based on the mean, plus or minus the standard deviation divided by 2. I'm not great with stats, but that seemed to give sensible colours so I just went it with.
Shimakaze
The HE Alpha was buffed from 1800 to 2150, meaning the HE DPM changes from 112,860 to 134,843. This effectively means that the guns have gone from being by-far the worst, to joint worst with the Z-52. In my opinion this is both needed and balanced - due to power-creep the guns had before pretty much useless, at least now it's on a par with other "bad gun" ships.
YueYang
Gun reload was nerfed from 3s to 4s. The guns stats were previously identical to Gearing, but a 25% nerf is just way too much. At first, you might look at the HE DPM value and think that it's not too bad - 162,000 puts it on par with the Grozovoi - but keep in mind that the YueYang has awful shell arcs, and will struggle to make use of that DPM. In fact, the shell arcs are so bad, that I would now back the Z-52 in a straight gunfight with a YueYang, and I think it would struggle against a (buffed) Shimakaze.
Torp reload was nerfed from 136 seconds to 156 seconds. This drops the effective DPM down to a similar level as Harugu
I wanted to pick one of these 2 dd's before the next clan battle season, which one would you guys recommend?
I'm gonna grind the Chung Mu to the Yueyang but I've heard things in the past that she was nerfed, specifically her torpedo reload, right? How is she in the current meta?
I gotta lot of credit grinding to do once I grind Chung Mu out, so I was wondering it was worth putting her higher up in the list of ships to buy or to put her lower on the list if she's not that great.
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Sooo. New European dds are expected and the high tiers get radar. Yueyang got nerf battered and now this..
Is the PA line still worth taking to t10?
does anyone still play the yueyang and enjoy any success in it? i miss my beloved YY and have tried a few games lately convincing myself it will be worth it but it just seems like such garbage now. i can break 100k easy in fletcher but havent got more than 50k in YY recently
Usually I lean to a full AA upgrade. Just love shredding up airplanes when they come hunting.
Any other builds I should consider?
I have a Yueyang. With Legendary module. That gives 10% reload to guns and torps. To get it, I had to give up Concealment module, which gives 10% and 5% dispersion. It is questionable whether it's worth it as a sneaky DD. If you like torping and shooting, it's a good module. But you go from nearly the best conceal of TX DDs to merely better than pure gunboats. And at least some of those have smoke.
The nerf they are proposing is 33% to guns and 15% to torps. Which is gigantic. Far exceeds the Legendary module.
I will gladly give up radar. Hey. Take my garbage radar! Please. I only EVER use it when I'm detected because of my Legendary module-nerfed concealment. I'm very often spotted by another DD and I can't see him. My conceal is 6.5 and the radar has 7.5 range with nerfed duration because of Legendary. YY aren't going around lolol radaring people. We have cruisers for that.
YY was never the best at fight on points because it's torps don't work on DDs. I used to have Vigilance because it seemed like every time I died to torps. Because to cap, you're often sitting still or still-ish. And if a torp wall comes, you die. After I got Legendary, I stopped capping. Because I was outspotted, radared, died.
Yes, I can gun someone good. And torp a lot. But can't torp DDs. And I can't outgun, anywhere close, the pure gunboats like Haragumo or Khab.
The stats for Daring, Haragumo, Khab, and YY are nearly identical. But they decided to nerf the everloving crap out of YY because...7.5 radar?
Again. Seriously. Take the radar. If that's the sticking point, take it.
But the way I see it, the different DD lines do different things. The super gunboats...gun. Khab in the open. Hara in smoke. And often at big boats. Shima torps. Gearing does both. YY does both (near twins). But Gearing has torpier range, YY has DW. YY can radar or super smoke.
DW torps are a mixed blessing. They are extremely difficult to spot. But can't hit DDs. You can decide if that's worth it, but it's a fair trade IMHO. If knife fighting was limited to knives, YY would be kings. But it's not.
This proposed nerf makes YY a sucky Gearing. Or maybe a sucky shima. In any case, no one will be using radar because it won't beat the ships it uncovers.
As for the ship being lower, most people shooting at it are radar cruisers in radar range or DDs in close range. All DDs are relatively the same in those situations. If
... keep reading on reddit โกPer the patch notes, Wargaming has confirmed that the Yueyang nerfs will go live with 0.7.11.
>Pan-Asian destroyer Yueyang is a strong multi-purpose ship with both good concealment and rate of fire. She also has the option to mount the Surveillance Radar consumable (which enables more efficient fighting against same-type ships). Her silhouette is small, and she carries stealthy torpedoes. Also pay attention to her unique smoke screen: it can hide the ship from opponents for most of the battle and enables more efficient fighting for control of Key Areas or retreating in case of a bad encounter.
Wargaming...Yueyang can't mount both consumables at the same time...it is one or the other, not both.
>All these factors in combination mean that the destroyer can significantly influence the outcome of battle and surpass same-type ships in terms of statistics.
Yueyang is just a Gearing with Deep Water Torpedoes, a different consumable, and a slightly smaller hull. Please don't try to twist this fact.
> This is why we increased the main battery reload time by 1 second (from 3 to 4 s) and the reload time of torpedo tubes by 20 seconds (from 136 to 156 s). These changes have relatively minor effects on the destroyer's unique features, while bringing her statistics up to the same level of other destroyers.
The reason Yueyang is so strong in competitive is because it has radar. Rather than address this issue, Wargaming has just decided to kill the ship's offensive capabilities. It will do nothing to the ship in competitive and will kill all enjoyment in random battles. A 2 minute 24 second reload on torpedoes in random battles? Seriously Wargaming? Now the only viable way to build this ship is as a gunboat...even then it is now just an inferior version of Gearing (4 second reload vs 3 seconds). The ship already has significantly less HP than Gearing and Grozovoi. I looked at that dev blog and thought "Oh there's no way these changes will actually go through." Clearly I was mistaken because now this awful change is getting pushed to the live server.
Hi! I have 212 games in Chung Mu with 55k average damage. It is my first tier 9, and have only really bothered progressing through the PA DDโs. I can unlock and buy the Yueyang, but is it worth it?
Ps. I hate playing Chung Mu when thereโs shimimazes on the enemy team.
Hi all,
quick question for you as im struggling to decide which of these two to get. (i already have elite fletcher but i love PA line so much id have no issue grinding it from T7 where i am now - my issue is how long it takes to get 19mill credits again so dont wanna buy both).
I compared all the stats and was surprised to see the yueyang is marginally more agile and better concealed than gearing and with the guns being the same the only real difference i see is in the torps.
i know a lot of people run TA gearing which is what i was about to commit to but noticed the yueyang has the 13.5km range of TA gearing with 2 knot faster torps so im really on the fence. i kinda wanna go yueyang and run TA on that to give it invisible shima-speed torps.
thoughts?
Title. Has anyone ever tried this? Double rudder, bft, aft, de, ifhe? Is this in any way viable?
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