The Jonbenet Puns

For anyone who doesn’t know what Occam’s Razor is, it’s a principle that says the correct interpretation of an event is more likely to be the one that involves the fewest assumptions.

So the following things happened in the same evening:

1. She was molested.
2. She was bashed on the head.
3. She was strangled to death.
4. She had wrist restraints applied.
5. There were other kidnapping related activities such as the ransom note.

Occam’s Razor says that not only are all these events connected they are most likely the WORK OF ONE PERSON.

What chance that someone interfered with her and someone else bashed her on the head the same night for an unrelated reason? It was late and the window of opportunity was a short one - they only got back at 10 pm. Yes it’s possible that John abused her and cleaned up and Burke later hit her on the head, but exceedingly unlikely in my book. I think the chances of Burke having sexually abused her and then having the wherewithal to clean up and change her panties and also bashed her on the head are slim to none.

We know that 3 wasn’t just a stage prop to assist in the plot line but rather an attempt to kill a person who was probably unconscious but certainly breathing. If you do not accept that 2 and 3 are the work of the same person you are saying that one person hit her with fatal force (more force than can be explained by an accident) and another killed her less than an hour later. Occam’s razor says that it is most likely a single person. The idea that Burke fatally hit her on the head and John finished her off to protect him or himself requires you to accept that there are two murderers in the house. There is little logic to strangulation as a kidnapping staging concept because why would a kidnapper even want her dead? A kidnapper is much more likely to have bashed her on the head (if Burke had already done that) than to have constructed a garrotte, that just makes a kidnapping less plausible!

Occam’s razor says that the garrotte in 3 and wrist restraints in 4 are the work of the same person. The knots are the almost same - they are the same cord material, are neat and tied in the same way. The idea that Burke made the garrotte and John later fitted the restraints requires too many coincidences.

Finally, I don’t know think it’s too controversial to accept that it was the same person setting all of the kidnapping props, including the note and wrist restraints. Occam’s razor agrees for obvious reasons.

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There are many here that are pushing the idea that Jonbenet Ramsey never existed. Personally, I've heard tripe like this from the CIA clowns that write conspiracies for decades now. Some may believe this is a new phenomena, but it dates back quite a while. This is because the world operates on leverage and compliance, and the things that people are willing to do to ensure that their secrets stay secretive can weigh heavily on the souls of those involved. The idea is often pushed it is all CGI, it is all an illusion, in order to keep the sheep who fall for the trick in line, heads down, ready for their next orders. I will say this much: I can say for absolute certainty Jonbenet Ramsey was a real little girl that people were willing to line up and murder, whether she died or not really depends on your belief system in this world. In a worldly way, she did in fact die that day, as her life on this Earth was robbed.

Still others continue to push conspiracies that Jonbenet is this celebrity or that celebrity, still following this same guideline of making those who are willing to comply in the murder game less guilty, because after all, "nobody dies". People die, and the people who line up are responsible completely and wholly for those deaths.

Getting these other ideas out of the way, lets look at the actual evidence and why so many here are obfuscating the truth.

1. The murder of Jonbenet Ramsey and the murder of Jill Robinson:
   On December 26th, 1976, A little girl named Jill Robinson was shot in the head and laid out within earshot of the Troy Police Station, where she was covered in a white blanket of snow, as if she had been tucked in. She was found in front of the Big Beaver Road exit sign. She was 12 years old and taken on a Wednesday. Missing from the scene was a Little House on the Prairie book, which exchanged many hands before disappearing completely. A shotgun that matches the possible one used in her murder is the Victory S.B.T. The ransom note contains the names of all 4 original victims in the OCCK crimes. She was last seen riding her bicycle. Jonbenet Ramsey was found in size 12

Denver Post 2015

Excerpt from article:

"That's always the correct way to do this. It's fundamental," McCrary said. "You separate the people, you interview them independently, you lock them into statements and then you compare." To do otherwise virtually invalidates the effort, he said. And he wasn't impressed with Douglas' conclusion that John Ramsey is telling the truth. "I've talked to guilty offenders in the penitentiary, and some of them are so manipulative and persuasive that they almost have you believing they didn't do it," he told me yesterday.Top-notch criminal profilers, he said, "always put more weight on behavior than on words. The behavior of the offender is much more telling than what he says later," McCrary said."

From a profiler's standpoint, emotions do speak louder than actions. If this is true, by what measure do we judge? Some at the Ramsey's perceived Patsy to be histrionic, deceptive. They noted the way she looked at the scene playing out in front of her through splayed fingers across her face, as if afraid to look and afraid not to look. Others saw a bereaved mother, her mournful wails echoing from the walls. John was seen as steel nerved and emotionless, more of a man getting down to business than a father in crisis over his murdered child.

Detective Linda Arndt, who is famously seen in a TV interview describing the moment she and John met eye to eye over JonBenet's body on the floor. The word "cordial" will forever remind me of her description of John, and the impassioned way she absolutely knew what had happened - and he knew it too. She has her detractors, she made mistakes. She was left alone in a houseful of people who thought they were looking for a living child, not a deceased child, and especially not in the home. It had to have been a devastating moment for all who saw it.

If John Ramsey didn't do the crime, he may have known who did. And for whatever reason, he was bound by shackles stronger than the bonds of love for his child, to cover it up. This is where I have landed after 25 years of frequent consideration. For me, it's the only thing that makes sense.

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7 Questions:

1. Did Total Contamination of the crime scene prevent the killer from being caught?

2. Could a parent kill their child in such a horrific way?

3. Can conflicting evidence ever point to a single person?

4. Can massive and often misleading news leaks damage an investigation?

5. Did placing so much attention on the Ramseys by the lead detective of the Boulder Police impact Justice?

6. Why did Boulder Police completely discount the theory of homicide legend Lou Smit?

7. Did the resignations of police and DA investigators affect the credibility of the evidence?

The questions asked do not have any clear answers. And that does not mean that someone is withholding the answers. They were asked in the Reelz documentary JonBenet Ramsey: The Unsolved Murder which also includes portions of Overkill, another of Schiller’s productions packed full of information.

How would you answer these questions? Personally, I think there was contamination at the crime scene but I’m not sure that includes not being able to use the DNA to identify the person who can unravel the mysteries of this crime. I have a hard time believing any parent is capable of harming their children and family in this way. I think conflicting evidence needs resolution and should not be discounted until the truth of the matter is known. That is only fair.

I agree that leaking evidence of an active investigation can lead to irreparable harm. Believing Steve Thomas had the investigation under his investigative control was a mistake and cost precious time investigating other leads.

I tend to think Boulder Police were airing grievances against Alex Hunter when they disparaged Lou Smit. And boy, did they make a mess of it. I think Thomas’ resignation destroyed the investigation; and I think Lou smit’s resignation gave birth to it.

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This is very, very disturbing when combined with the constant bed wetting and all the other things. I’m shocked that so people don’t seem to know about this. A six year old child doing this is NOT normal. And yet, the Ramseys never stopped denying that their child had been abused.

Edit: what is wrong with some of you? This person was a literal professional who was specifically trained to watch out for signs of child sex abuse and had 20 years of experience. JonBenet was soiling herself at least semi-regularly. This was NOT a mere wiping issue.

Hi all! Here’s another one of my long write ups. Again, no one here knows what happened that night and it’s all speculation. Feel free to leave a complaint or whatever in the comments section.

So, I’ve always been convinced that the chronic sex abuse (of which there were strong evidence of) had something to do with that night.

Could Burke be responsible? Yes, of course. Statistically wise, siblings sexually abuse each other at high rates (in cases where there is sexual abuse). But, in this case, the child literally ended up dead, which... corresponds more to adult on child sex abuse. If nothing else, perhaps Burke wasn’t the only one.

Let’s be honest. I personally think BDI is likeliest, but even in any BDI scenario, the way the parents handled this was way over the top. And, collective evidence such as the presence of both parents’ fibers, suggests the staging began before the child was garroted. Perhaps not, but what we do know implies it went down that way.

What if the stakes were so high that John and Pasty “had to” cover up for each other?

Many people say it’s too Hollywood of a scenario, but all BDI theories are just as absurd on the surface. Yet, that night, something happened that resulted into the sexual molestation and subsequent death of a child. We all wish we could change that but we can’t.

As repulsive as it is, if JonBenet was being taught that long term sexual abuse was something “good” that was done “only in secret” — which is actually a pretty damn common tactic of sexual abusers (see Michael Jackson) — I could see John going to the trouble of doing the deed the night before a plane flight.

People say John could never have done that to JonBenet. But what if, like Michael Jackson, who also fervently denied such allegations under the pretense that “he could never do such a heinous thing”, John did it because he thought it was an expression of love that could never be stated out loud for the public? What if the death of his beloved eldest daughter and then Patsy’s cancer and full hysterectomy, caused a break in John’s already somewhat emotionally fragile state? Edit: not trying to spout child molester apologia. I am horribly sorry if it appeared that way. No matter what, child sex abuse is never an act of love.

However, the scenario still begs the question of why would Patsy, a Stage 4 cancer survivor and loving mother who loved JonBenet, seriously injure her, the apple of Patsy’s eye, and not even call for

In 1996, the day after Christmas, the body of six year old JonBenet Ramsey was found in her family home.

The story made headlines all over the western world.

A quarter of a century later, some people are revisiting the story and finding some peculiarities and oddities.

'Conspiracy theories' surrounding the story are nothing new.

The infamous Dave J garnered hundreds of thousands of views with his videos claiming that JBR became Katy Perry.

This theory was even reported in the mainstream news circa 2016.

More recently, a rising Twitter sensation named Human Vibration has been putting forward a very different theory:

JonBenet Ramsey never existed. She was a make-believe character. The photos are all CGI.

There are some strange things about the JBR case which most people here will find worth considering.

The Ramsey's lawyer was none other than L Lin Wood.

The Ramsey's appearance on Larry King leads to more questions than answers.

I've had the pleasure of chatting with both Dave J and Human Vibration about their theories.

And of course I have my own theories about the JBR case.

For now, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

What do you think happened to JBR?

I’m well aware that this theory is more out there, and I’m also relatively new to deep-diving this case so sorry in advance if I’ve missed something that would make this impossible.

Obviously this assumes that an intruder wrote the note, which hasn’t been disproven (although I agree unlikely). So the RN said that JB was being held captive and would be returned once the money was handed over at 10am the next morning (although the Ramseys said they weren’t sure if that meant the morning of 12/26 or 12/27). The Ramseys were told not to tell anyone and just get the money, but the first thing they did was call the police.

When JB was found, she’d already been dead for several hours and it was hard to pinpoint exactly when she had been killed. What if the Ramseys were being watched that morning, and when they were seen calling the police whoever was holding JB was told to murder her? Patsy was awake at 5:45am and found the note not long after, and JB wasn’t discovered until after 1pm. She’d already have been dead for 7 hours by that point.

Edit: guys, this is just an idea. I’m not familiar with how estimated time of death is done..I know they said she died around 1am but just wondering if maybe that wasn’t completely accurate since her body was kept in a cold arid basement

>DIANE SAWYER: How many times did you give her a vaginal examination?

>Dr. FRANCESCO BEUF: Well, it was five or six times in that three-year period.

Also, do we know when her last one was?

For those who are BDI, why did Burke bash JonBenet on the head?

1. She took a piece of his pineapple.
2. She wouldn't give him a piece of her candy.
3. She saw him opening presents in wine cellar.
4. She wrecked one of his Lego structures.
5. He was jealous and angry she got a bike.
6. He was sexually molesting her in his bed.
7. She was bothering him when he was playing Nintendo.
8. He wanted to try out the knots in his new book.
9. He didn't want her to have his old gaming system.
10. She saw him breathe.
11. She saw him blink.
12. She saw him swallow.
13. Other

-there were escalating numbers of phone calls and visits to the doctor

-Linda Hoffman-Pugh claiming Patsy was uncharacteristically moody

-JonBenet’s teachers noticed she had become unusually clingy to Patsy

-partygoers claimed seeing JonBenet crying on the stairs of the Ramsey home two days before

-a mysterious 911 call at said party commonly attributed to Fleet White “trying to get his mom’s prescription”

-this picture of Patsy and JonBenet on Christmas morning Patsy has zero makeup on, which is sorta weird for someone like her IMO. Maybe she was crying? She also has seems to have a death grip on JonBenet’s arm. (Edit: this analysis is apparently a controversial one. I don’t want the rest of the post getting derailed by it in the comments section, so I’ll just say YMMV.)

-A poster pointed out that when BPD finally got ahold of their phone records, the records for the month of December were blank, even though the cell phone company insisted they couldn’t wipe records. John claims he lost his old cell phone.

Anything else?

I know I’d read some things about John, and John and Patsy as a couple, such as John leaving a parade JonBenet was in at some point, without Patsy; but for the most part I’ve forgotten what they were.

Admittedly, some of them might be red herrings or nothing burgers. But let’s brainstorm — the killing/coverup couldn’t have been based off on what happened that night alone.

Edit: admittedly unrelated, but while I was checking for stuff regarding John in December, I stumbled across this strange account from Judith Phillips weeks after the killing:

>Patsy greeted Judith, who could now see that despite her attempt to look composed, Patsy was in fact distraught under the thinnest veneer of normalcy. Judith thought she might be heavily medicated. Soon Patsy was crying on Judith’s shoulder. "If only I had woken up. If only I woke up" Patsy repeated. "Why didn’t I wake up?"

Early on into the JonBenet case, the BPD consulted Miss Colorado 1957, Marilyn Van Derbur, an incest survivor and victim advocate. She made the news for her statements on her own family and the Ramseys. Link below to short article with some choice quotes:

The Denver Post: Van Derbur consulted by police

>"They asked the same questions you would ask, about my personal experience, since our families (the Van Derburs and the Ramseys) are similar."

>In research on survivors, Van Derbur Atler said she found that 68 percent of victims were violated by fathers or stepfathers. The former beauty queen told in 1991 of incest with her father, socialite Francis Van Derbur. The average age of the victim for the first incident is 6.

>People have a stereotyped image about incest; that it's only a problem in socially unacceptable families, poor families or chaotic families, she said. But, sometimes, those who appear to be the nicest people commit incest, and there is some resistance to accepting that.

>"We fight against seeing the dark side," Van Derbur Atler said. "My father was just so charming. This happens in the nicest homes."

(Side note: Van Derbur's father apparently molested two out of four of his daughters — the oldest and youngest ones. I’m curious if there is a known psychological pattern to that. If so, possibly Elizabeth and JonBenet?)

I wonder why the head of the county's Sexual Abuse team, Holly Smith, was suddenly pulled out of the investigation early on. A decade later, she wrote a book about her experience on the job but left out the chapter about the Ramsey case, I'm guessing due to fears of a lawsuit.

Over the years there has been vague speculation floating around on internet sleuth forums that the BPD backed off from investigating possible incest because of how litigious the Ramsey's legal team were. I have literally zero proof of this, however. I’ll be honest though: Steve Thomas‘ explanation for how Patsy inflicted the hymenal damage to JonBenet through harsh wiping or douching, is not terribly convincing.

*Obligatory footnote about how I am not accusing John Ramsey of child sex abuse.

Hello guys, I have to create a podcast for one of my classes as a final project. I was wondering if you guys had any reccomendations for parts of this case I should be sure to highlight?

The alleged perp who has been identified and arrested removed four year old Cash from his bed by lifting him and carrying out of his room without even waking him. There is also apparent video of the alleged perp studying the house through a fence weeks before the crime.

To me this shows JonBenet may have been lifted out of her bed and carried downstairs without even waking up. Likely the Ramseys house was cased prior to the crime. If iirc Cash’s alleged abductor was familiar to Cash’s family. He is also an age that some suggest Jbrs killer might have been.

Do you think jbr was removed from her bed in a similar manner by a similar aged man who was potentially known to the family?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9610379/Cash-Gernons-killer-seen-casing-boys-home-weeks-abduction-murder.html.

A video of the abduction appears near the end of the article.

In 1998, detectives inquired Patsy Ramsey about multiple photos found taken in the laundry room in her interview. The ways they went around it implies those photos were something at least somewhat significant; ultimately, we don’t know what were in those photos, but perhaps that’s for the better. Or not.

Thoughts? The excerpt is below:

>TRIP DeMUTH: So you were down in the basement laundry room pretty often?

>PATSY RAMSEY: Depending on what time of year it was, yeah, uh-hum.

>TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet being in there?

>PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the laundry room?

>TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs of her located in the laundry room?

>PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of stuff, I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I don't remember any photographs.

>TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason why there would be photographs of JonBenet located in the laundry room?

>PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there -- I mean, did somebody find them there?

>TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would that be out of place for you?

>PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be out of place. I kept wrapping materials and sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas paper and --

>TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had access to the laundry room, who else would go in there? I know everybody would have access, but who else would use it? Would the boys play in there? Would John go down there?

>PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody could, but I mean the boys could come down and go in the train room, we had the train set up. In the far back in through there, you know. Not in the laundry, really, area.

>TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides you use that laundry room?

>PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda would wash, if we were washing comforters or something, because those were big heavy-duty laundry machines, she'd take the things in there, rugs and things, and wash them down there.

>TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

>THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall taking a photo of her down there?

>PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)

>THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing something really cutesy or something, would you maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?

>PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the laundry room?

>THOMAS HANEY: Uh-hum.

>PATSY RAMSEY: No...

I'm looking into this case (superficially) and I'm thinking that it has to be one of the parents or both parents who killed her and covered that up. What is the best evidence against it being the parents? If there is any? Thanks in advance.

Edit: I love reddit so much.

Disclaimer: this is just speculation.

So the most damaging thing against John is the fact that his shirt fibers were found in the crotch area of JonBenet’s replacement underwear that she was wearing right before she died, and when she died as well, given the urine stains on the front. Unlike Patsy’s jacket fibers possibly being in JonBenet’s hair entangled in the garrote knots, it’s much harder to explain John’s fibers away “innocently”.

Honestly, Patsy did not dress her own daughter in that oversized pair of underwear. I had my doubts about this til I saw the photos, but after that all I have to say is — no way. Burke is possible, especially considering the longjohns, but why would he take time to wipe JonBenet down in between three brutal acts (head bash, sexual assault, garrote)? Given the obvious existence of the garrote, it seems Burke wouldn’t have thought about hiding what was being done to JonBenet’s body.

So that leaves John, who probably redressed and wiped JonBenet down while she was still alive. Then she died soon after, facedown, by the wine cellar. What happened? Was the garrote already in place? Did he manually strangulate her? Did someone else kill her after he redressed her? What?

A neighbor reported hearing a scream late at night but later retracted her statement. Another neighbor supposedly claimed she heard a scream too. The first neighbor iirc later claimed something to the effect that instead of an audible scream as she first reported she instead felt some sort of negative energy or experienced a feeling like a scream but didn’t hear it.

Do you believe jbr screamed and if so that it was loud enough for neighbors to hear?

Do you think the neighbors possibly were mistaken as to maybe the day the scream occurred and it was someone else on a different day?

Do you think they imagined it after the fact after hearing about the crime?

Do you think instead of jbr screaming that night they might have heard some drunk teens or twenty somethings yelling or horsing around or someone falling and screaming or something similar?

If jbr did scream loud enough to be heard where do you think this occurred? In her bedroom, on the stairs, in the first level somewhere, in the basement? Somewhere else? Do you believe she screamed in the basement near the vent that opened to the outside?

Some believe that jbr was killed shortly thereafter and the perp pulled her into the wine cellar and left her there.

Some wonder why the perp didn’t leave immediately after she screamed to avoid the parents. My thought is that the perp hoped she hadn’t been heard and hastily killed her and left in order to avoid being identified by her.

I’ve wondered why the killer didn’t use a gag on her to prevent screaming and the only reason I can think is that he had used a stun gun and hadn’t expected her to wake back up and scream.

What are your thoughts about the scream, whether it occurred, the location and circumstances, what happened afterwards, etc.?

This story is amazing. Sheriff on United flight spots SOS on Guanella Pass in 1982, decades later the rescued man's charged in a double murder. So many years later a public official can confirm the whereabouts of the suspect on the night of the murders, drunk and with an injury to his face, alone in the wilderness in the freezing cold. For a true detective like Charlie McCormick, he must be seeing his long hard work on this case paying off.

The genetic lead was provided by United Data Connect, Mitch Morrissey’s genetic research company. The process is to first get the case approved by the Cold Case Homicide Team at CBI which meets twice a year to decide the cases to pursue. So, why not Justice for JonBenet?

If so, I have a hunch JonBenet either changed out of her own turtleneck at some point or someone else redressed her and put it in the bathroom as an aborted attempt to hide the evidence.

Patsy probably went to get sleep for a few hours in her makeup and by the time she woke back up, JonBenet may already have been dead, and something happened to prompt Patsy to her role in the cover up to whatever extent.

Then soon after, she called 911. Patsy would’ve had far, far less time to realize she should get changed than we thought. It would also square up with why Patsy seemed like she was lying about putting JonBenet to sleep in the red turtleneck.

Edit: the reactions to this post is why the case has never actually been solved. Even if it’s not the correct theory, at least I’m thinking outside the box (well, not really, Steve Thomas did it first, but he might have been onto something). Also, read the comments for why I think it’s a compelling possibility.

Also I never said who the actual perp was.

Don’t take me wrong, I’m very doubtful, especially after seeing the horrible autopsy pictures and report.

But, I saw a BADI theory here where the scenario was pretty much the same as the widely accepted one, but with one difference: Burke hits JonBenet, but she is still capable of making crying sounds after falling down, so one or both parents (having been around or coming in after overhearing the commotion) think the injury isn’t severe enough to call 911 over.

They get mad and send Burke to bed without letting him finish his pineapple, and then carry JonBenet upstairs to her own room while trying to quiet her down and perhaps get her changed for bed. It’s at this point, or soon after when they come back to check on her, that they realize that she’s lost all consciousness. They try to shake her awake but when she doesn’t wake up, they think she’s dead.

Then cue the rest, staging and all.

Edit: just wrote a full post on this specific theory!

After all, the parents had no reason to assume he hit her in the head. It was not an obvious injury. The only way this would’ve made sense to me is if they literally witnessed him hitting and cracking JonBenet’s skull, but then Burke‘s question in the 911 call doesn’t make sense.

• Bob is a psychopath who committed at least 23 rapes or attempted rapes, with 20 of those cases occurring in Boulder during the early 1990s.

• Bob entered homes during the night and attacked victims in their sleep.

• Bob entered homes to case them, returning later to commit rapes. Bob used a variety of methods to commit his rapes. He stalked victims for his residential rapes. These cases occurred prior to DNA testing in Colorado, but several cigarette butts were located outside victims homes, indicating someone (Bob) spent hours watching the victim's homes. Bob was a heavy cigarette smoker. The Ramsey's neighbor reported someone was trespassing in their backyard shed and leaving cigarette butts.

• Sometimes Bob brought binding materials to tie victims, but other times he used materials found at the victim's residence.

• Bob used a variety of binding materials to tie victims, including white cord and packing tape.

• Bob threatened victims, saying he would "knock them out," or "kill them with a knife."

• Bob participated in bondage.

• Bob raped adult and juvenile females.

• Bob entered homes to commit rapes, knowing more than one person was inside.

• Bob owned a cattle prod.

• Bob used a handgun in at least one rape.

• Bob was a rock climber and owned climbing ropes.

• Bob was a house painter.

• Bob performed oral sex on some victims.

• During an 18 month period Bob rented over 200 movies.

• Bob hid his car for three months and did not drive it until it was painted a different color.

• Bob collected fur from wild animals.

• Bob was addicted to meth and became violent when using meth.

Bob is merely one possible suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's murder. Lou Smit identified other possible suspects. Bob's psychopathic behaviors and characteristics, which were demonstrated during his series of rapes, match the psychopathic behaviors displayed during JonBenet's murder. Bob's addiction to methamphetamine may have intensified his violence to the point he murdered JonBenet. The question I have asked throughout this book is, "What kind of person kidnapped, tortured, sexually assaulted, and murdered JonBenet Ramsey?"

The answer is a sadistic psychopath.

> Whitson, Robert A. Ph.D. InJustice: Why JonBenet Ramsey was Murdered by a Sadisistic Psychopath - Not her Parents, pg 141

Bob is supposedly Schwinaman who has been eliminated as a suspect according to this

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2017/06/new-potential-suspect-

Ok, so if the flashlight wasn't it? What do you think it could be. I am leaning towards something else. Golf club is too easy, it was used before. Burke may have used one of the bats. It had to have been something handy. One of her trophies maybe if the hit occured in her room. Patsy may have been out of her mind and grabbed the closest thing. John if he hit her on the head...other than the flashlight.....? She had tinsel in her hair..a Christmas decoration. Heck, I dont lean even close to IDI, but the intruder could have brought something with them in case someone woke up. Why is everyone stuck on the flashlight!

I’ve seen plenty of opinions on this topic. Please post your opinions and provide sources as much as possible. I’m interested in the many explanations and theories behind what could have caused the marks.

https://youtu.be/lx41l7JjWsY?t=333

The Whites were a huge part of the JonBenet case. They, IMO, fought hard to find the truth. They didn't write a book, never made a dime off her death. Name another champion that didn't sell out. With all that being said. Do you think when the boys got older, that they FB'd each other or tried to reconnect?

If there is anybody that might be in a position to know about the JonBenet Ramsey Murder Investigation, it is Mitch Morrisey. The former Denver District Attorney was appointed Special Prosecutor in 1998 to advise the Boulder District Attorney’s Office, specifically Alex Hunter, about the Grand Jury in 1998-99, which we now know returned indictments against Patsy and John Ramsey for Child Abuse Resulting in Death, but only at the Probable Cause level.

> Craig Silverman: Right then, but doesn't that mean the Boulder Grand Jury, after hearing all the evidence that you guys presented, concluded that the Ramseys were both in on it? They could not say which parent did specifically what, but doesn't their vote indicate that they thought both Ramsey's were culpable?

> Mitch Morrissey: At a probable cause level, Craig. And you know as well as I do, the difference between a probable cause level and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They're completely different standards. And in fact, the interview of the Grand Juror, the one that I remember the most, once Charlie broke this story was, he didn’t believe it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And I think a big part of that was this mystery DNA.

> I spent 18 months and long after that, trying to figure out where this DNA came from. Craig, we ran the profiles of the last, I think, eight men that were autopsied on the same table she was autopsied on to try to see if there was some contamination from the procedures that were taking place at the coroner’s office. Because there was some contamination of the fingernail clippers. It was clear. They were using the same fingernail clippers on everybody and they weren’t cleaning them. So, you know, that was one of the things we looked at.

> We looked at, I don’t even know how many people, well over 200 people, to try to see if we could run down and figure out, you know, where this DNA came from. There was a purchase of the same types of panties that were made and they were tested and they came back with DNA in them and they’ve never been worn they were out straight out of the package. So, it can drive you nuts if you’re trying to chase Mystery DNA. It’s very hard. And to a degree, genetic genealogy has a part of that in there where, you know, you are kind of waiting for that match to come through.

> *We have a very serious rape case now that we’re working with a local department and you know there is just nothing, nothing, nothing, a

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I saw it in a 20/20 or ABC or some documentary like that and also maybe the Dr Oz ones, but I cant find them again... Thanks.

has been posted on the other reddit forum

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/l6f0ds/media_links_2021/

for those who have been unable to view it

Joe plugs a local game shop and ends the plug with trivia explaining the shop's proximity to where she was murdered. I still remember the feeling of the air leaving my chest when I first watched that ep.

The one that I read is that JonBenet faked her death and is living as singer Katy Perry.

**DISCLAIMER: I am in no way stating any of this as fact. This is purely conceptual.**

Does anyone have any theories about the JonBenet Ramsey case by using astrology? JonBenet's story is so sad, and she has never received justice. I've been watching a lot of true crime stuff lately, and am learning about forensic astrology. Her natal chart is so intriguing, and it makes me want to look at her synastry with her mother, Patsy, and her brother, Burke, as well as the transits on the night she was murdered. THAT being said, JonBenet's natal placements...

Link to chart: https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/JonBenet_Ramsey

Her sun is in the 4th house in Leo, indicating she called for and received a lot of attention, particularly within the home. We know this to be true by just anecdotal stories. JonBenet was in pageants and, apparently, absolutely worshipped and spoiled in her home. It makes sense as well that her sun would be in her 4th house, since she died at age 6-- her base identity really just existed in regards to her family/home life. Obviously, this doesn't mean much in regards to what happened to her, but it does make sense for her general existence.

Her Chiron is in Cancer (the moon/the mother) in the 3rd house (house of siblings). Her wounds stem from her brother, expression and being heard, and, apparently, breathing. Strangulation is what actually killed her, not the blunt object to the head. They also stem from lack of nurturing, a sense of abandonment, and the mother. When you consider the largely believed theory that Burke accidentally hit JonBenet and her mother covered it up with that ransom note and staged scene... it is pretty fitting.

JonBenet was also in her 7th house protection year-- the house of partnership, enemies included. Her 7th house cusp is Scorpio, so her time lord for that year was Pluto.

Some of JonBenet's natal aspects:

Venus Opposite Saturn 0°13'

Difficulty forming loving relationships. Lack of affection from parents and feeling ostracized socially on some level. At best, her parents just lacked positive conditioning, and at worst, they could've been downright mean or cruel. We know that JonBenet was an adorable little girl, wealthy and pampered, but her aspects suggest she lacked real nurturing. She was really just a show pony, a little doll for her mother to dress up.

Mars Opposite Pluto 0°52'

Sometimes can indicate abuse from a parent or other adult

1. She took a piece of his pineapple.
2. She wouldn't give him a piece of her candy.
3. She saw him opening presents in wine cellar.
4. She wrecked one of his Lego structures.
5. He was jealous and angry she got a bike.
6. He was sexually molesting her in his bed.
7. She was bothering him when he was playing Nintendo.
8. He wanted to try out the knots in his new book.
9. Other