How would history turn out if Perkin Warbeck was victorious?
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How did they know Perkin Warbeck was Perkin Warbeck?

Like how did they know he was Perkin Warbeck from Flanders and the information on his parents. Did he tell them who he was when he confessed/before he was executed or is this something historians found out later?

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Sir Edward Brampton and Perkin Warbeck algarvehistoryassociation…
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Look up Perkin Warbeck, absolute madlad
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TDIH: November 23, 1499, Pretender to the throne Perkin Warbeck is hanged for reportedly attempting to escape from the Tower of London. He had invaded England in 1497, claiming to be the lost son of King Edward IV of England.
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Lady Katherine Gordon died on this day in 1537. She was the wife of the pretender Perkin Warbeck. thefreelancehistorywriter…
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The Princes in the Tower and Perkin Warbeck

One of the series that I'm currently binge watching is Phillipa Gregory's "The White Princess"on Starz. (I know. I know.) Phillipa Gregory's books are a mixed bag. According to her Margaret Beaufort ordered the murder of the Princes in the Tower(under Richard III's nose somehow.) so that her son, who had a very weak claim to succession would become king himself. But Elizabeth Woodville managed to smuggle one of her son's away abroad and he later came back to reclaim the throne. The book "The White Princess" only seemed to imply that the pretender was real whilst the show outright confirms it.

First off, I just find it hilarious that Margaret Beaufort is some Littlefingeresque villain in Phillipa Gregory's universe. A person so well known for her piety that she took a vow of chastity in marriage would have children murdered? ...Ooookay. That's an odd angle to go with. When you look for possible criminal suspects you're supposed to ask: "Qui Bono" and Margaret Beaufort did benefit but so did Richard III and it seems so impossible for a woman, any woman, to have done that under a King's nose. I honestly haven't studied the period in great depth to know the plausibility of this idea but that's my impression.

In regards to Perkin Warbeck I do remember reading a good book from years ago that talked about this issue in depth. I think it was called "The Mystery of Perkin Warbeck". I do love a good historical conspiracy theory and the idea seems believable that he was, in fact, Richard of Shrewsbury. For one thing, from my understanding of events, Richard took custody of Edward the V. But Richard was still in sanctuary with his mother.

Then at some point Richard III shows up and leaves sanctuary with Richard S. Being that Elizabeth Woodville fled to sanctuary for fear of her and her children's safety under a "usurper" king, I find it hard to believe that she would willingly give up the second heir throne and her youngest son to the same person they are a direct threat too? Unless it wasn't actually him?

The thing I'm not understanding is how would Richard not have recognized his own nephew? I don't know the social dynamics of court so is it possible he didn't spend enough time with his own nieces and nephews to know who was who and be fooled by a pretender? The problem with the pretender theory is that if some other boy was put in Richard S. place how would a swap have succeeded? Wouldn't it have occurred to Richard III that Elizabeth Woodville would attempt t

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[High Crimes and History] The Pretender - Perkin Warbeck

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Who Was Perkin Warbeck? thehistoryjar.com/2016/03…
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Lady Catherine Gordon was the wife of the so-called Pretender, Perkin Warbeck cupboardworld.blogspot.co…
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[‎High Crimes and History] The Pretender - Perkin Warbeck podcasts.apple.com/us/pod…
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(Spoilers TWOW) Perkin Warbeck, pretender to the English Throne, reminds me of a certain someone

Perkin Warbeck seems to me inspiration for fAegon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkin_Warbeck

Perkin claimed to be one of the two children who "disappeared" after Richard III usurped the throne in 1483 (during the War of the Roses)

Support of Warbeck's claim varied, some supported because they truly believed he was Richard of Shrewsbury, some because they desired to overthrow Henry VII.

He claimed he was spared after his sibling was killed. He lived in hiding in continental Europe under the protection of Yorkist loyalists, and had been made to swear an oath not to reveal his identity for "a certain number of years."

Richard of Shrewsbury's actual aunt, Margaret of Burgundy, had never met her actual two nephews. Nonetheless, she recognized Perkin as her long lost nephew and educated him in the ways of the Yorkist court. Whether she actually believed he was her nephew is unknown.

The pretender was welcomed by other monarchs and was recognized in diplomacy as "Duke of York."

Pro-Yorkist sympathy involved many important Lords and Knights. Sir Robert Clifford went over to the mainland and wrote back to confirm Warbeck's real identity as Prince Richard.

There is much more in the Wikipedia article I cited above, including his several attempts to land in England and claim the throme.

My Point

Most didn't know for certain if he was Richard of Shrewsbury or not. In fact, many didn't care. Some were York loyalists who were happy to support a York cause, some just wanted to stir up trouble with Henry, and some actually believed it.

I think this will mirror for fAegon. It won't matter if he's real or not, just that he presents himself as real. Enough people will flock to his cause for one reason or another.

In the end, Perkin was eventually arrested and imprisoned, after which he confessed to being an imposter. Until then, there was no way to know for sure. We may have never known for sure had he not confessed.

Given that fAegon doesn't know if he is an imposter, and has been led his entire life to believe he's the real deal, I don't think we'll ever learn for sure that fAegom is real or fake. We, just like the nobles and people at the time, will speculate endlessly and fall into different camps - but in the end, it doesn't matter. He is what people believe he is.

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Did Perkin Warbeck or Lambert Simnel ever have an actual chance of ruling England?
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Ireland's oldest cannon is associated with the siege of Waterford by the alleged pretender to the English throne, Perkin Warbeck irisharchaeology.ie/2014/…
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Lady Katherine Gordon – Mrs Perkin Warbeck thehistoryjar.com/2016/02…
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The Life of Lady Katherine Gordon. She was married four times including to Perkin Warbeck, the pretender to the English throne. thefreelancehistorywriter…
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TDIH: November 23, 1499 - Perkin Warbeck, a pretender to the English throne who invaded England in 1497 claiming to be the lost son of King Edward IV, is hanged. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per…
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An increase in taxes imposed by King Henry VII to fight against Perkin Warbeck resulted in the uprising of the people of Cornwall and the Battle of Blackheath, June 27, 1497. luminarium.org/encycloped…
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The Mischief-Maker King James IV: Using Perkin Warbeck to Embarrass Henry VII tudortimes.co.uk/guest-ar…
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November 23, 1499: The pretender Perkin Warbeck is exectued by Henry VII luminarium.org/encycloped…
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An Assassin’s Creed Calendar of Birthdays and Death Days [Various Spoilers]

To honor the 1st anniversary of my growing cell hiding out elsewhere, I’ve scoured the many corners of the wiki to compile this Assassin’s Creed Calendar of sorts, wherein I’ve noted every birthday and death day for all Assassins, Templars, and a handful of important friends that have been given a hard date up to this point!

Because of its heft on certain days of the year, I wasn’t able to throw all this into a colorized PDF calendar like I wanted (yet?), so apologies for this format. But now with how many we have, I’d be interested to hear if any of you share a birthday with any of these guys? Not to mention, we could practically pick any day of the year and have a “religious holiday” excuse to give to our bosses. ;)

If your favorite doesn’t appear here, check the fandom wiki, check their actual Wikipedia entry if they have one, and if I missed one with a notable official date for either their birthday or death day, tell me and I’ll add em to this already numerous list!

Enjoy alllll the Assassin & Templar Birthdays and Death Days I could find!

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January

1st

  • Rodrigo Borgia’s Birthday (1431)

2nd

  • Manuel Palaiologos’s Birthday (1455)
  • Claudia Auditore’s Birthday (1461)
  • Carlo Visconti’s Death (1477)
  • Mario Auditore’s Death (1500)
  • Jules Brunet’s Birthday (1838)

3rd

  • Li Linfu’s Death (753)
  • Jacopo de’ Pazzi’s Death (1480)

4th

  • Sir Isaac Newton’s Birthday (1643)
  • Arpinon’s, Charles Gabriel Sivert’s & Duchesneau’s Deaths (1791)

5th

  • John II of Luxembourg’s Death (1441)

6th

  • Joan of Arc’s Birthday (1412)

8th

  • Marco Polo’s Death (1324)
  • David Bowie’s Birthday (1947)

9th

  • Wang Yangming’s Death (1529)

10th

  • David Bowie’s Death (2016)

11th

  • AltaĂŻr Ibn-La’Ahad’s Birthday (1165)
  • Maud Ibn-La’Ahad’s Death (1165)
  • Möngke Khan’s Birthday (1209)

12th

  • Antonio de Ulloa’s Birthday (1716)

13th

  • King Æthelwulf’s Death (858)

16th

  • RenĂ© de Anjou’s Birthday (1409)

17th

  • Benjamin Franklin’s Birthday (1706)

19th

  • Roi des Thunes’s Death (1791)

20th

  • Alessandro Valignano’s Death (1606)
  • William Lowndes’s Death (1724)
  • François Mackendal’s Death (1758)
  • Buzz Aldrin’s Birthday (1930)

21st

  • Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Death (1924)

22nd

  • Lyndon B. Johnson’s Death (1973)

24th

  • Paul Moritz Warburg’s Death (1932)

25th

  • Philip Twopenny’s Birthday (1827)

27th

  • John Glover Roberts, Jr.’s Birthday (1955)

28th

  • King Charlemagne
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[EVENT] The Propagation of Justices of the Peace Under the King Henry VII, 1500-1509

[NOV-DEC 1508]

The office of the Justice of the Peace is one with a peculiar history in England. Finding its origin in 1195 with the assignment of certain knights to unruly areas with the very broad goal of 'preserving the King's peace', the office has found itself virtually unchanged since the 14th century. Though it began to garner some additional responsibilities and duties during the 15th century, the accession of Henry Tudor to the throne of England and the turn of the 16th century as well as its duration heralded a significant increase in both the number of Justices as well as a significant increase in their responsibilities, duties, and statutes to their keeping.

Indeed, under Henry VII the Justices of the Peace (from this point referred to as JP, or JPs) numbered 17-18 per county and would see that number increase by thirty to forty men per commission at the end of (the alleged) Elizabeth I's reign and the (alleged) end of the Tudor Period. Though their wealth of responsibilities continued to increase under the later Stuarts, that's not real history and is fake fake fake very bad and fake and thus will not be discussed in this post.

The justification for the vast expansion of the office of JP and its eventual ascension from a mere peacekeeper to a primary institution of Tudor local government is complex and multi-faceted as you might expect. The Tudor Monarchy saw the need for an office that was effective, local, and could be relied upon to affect honest judgement and administrative services to the counties the JPs were assigned as well which coincided nicely with the rise of the local gentry and their own desire to participate in local and national government from a more influential stance than they'd previously been allowed.

Delving into current and real history, England in the wake of the War of the Roses found itself to be a poorly managed and war weary land with a high noble class that had been all but exterminated by the time of Henry Tudor's ascension to the throne in 1485.

This sense of lawlessness is perhaps best exemplified by the constant and consistent rebellion that plagued the early reign of the new King - in 1486, the Stafford Brothers rebelled aided by the Viscount Lovell.

In 1487, Yorkists in Ireland proclaimed Lambert Simnel to be Edward of Warwick.

In 1490, a young Fleming by the name of [Perkin Warbeck](https

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(Spoilers Extended) Revisiting the Brightfyre Theory

Intro

/u/Elio_Garcia made an interesting revelation about Aerion Brightflame in a recent interview. u/zionius_ posted the relevant part as follows:

>Elio: the one thing i will say about what we know, and i think i can be vague enough, and i haven't really seen it. i think people haven't thought enough about Aerion Brightflame, and the details of what we learn in the world of ice and fire about him, and how that fits into to things. there's some stuff there that george hasn't really, there's some dots that people have not connected as far as i've seen. so i'll leave you guys with that.

Based on the discussions in that post and another one made by u/LChris24, I thought it is necessary to revisit the Brightfyre Theory and present its basics for future reference/discussion. Indeed, the material about the Brightfyre Theory is scarce, dated and dispersed in various places. Not to mention, there is a growing anti-fAegon sentiment in the sub, which I consider extremely misguided. The falsehood of Young Griff has already been solved and decided long ago but because of the long wait for TWoW (and the new blood that constantly keeps joining the fandom), we see this wave of contrarianism rising. Not just the Blackfyre theory but against a lot of old, well established theories as well. In this thread, I take it as a given that Young Griff is fAegon (i.e. he is not Rhaegar’s son as claimed). This is not the place to argue that he is real.

I expect that the actual section about the Brightfyre theory will be brief in this massive post. Instead, most of the text will feature the context and the complementary material that will hopefully tell us why the Brightfyre theory is a very good solution for many problems GRRM needs to address.

How GRRM writes

Before we start, it is essential to realize an important aspect of GRRM’s writing. Yes, he decided certain key plot points from the earliest conception of the story and laid some foreshadowing for them. But since then, he is proceeding like a discovery writer. He has made several outlines throughout the years but he is not strictly sticking to them (which is why there are several of them).

GRRM’s style of discovery writing means that the backstories and histories he comes up with are for a reason. As Elio

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The tudors

Can anyone explain to me how Henry Tudor could claim the english throne even though his claim was through his mother and the beauforts were barred from royal inheritance by Henry IV?

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Buttzville? Cheesequake? Loveladies? What's with all these weird place names in New Jersey and where did they come from?

Growing up in New Jersey, there's a lot of place names that we just take for granted. But bring in an out-of-stater and you'll get some questions.

  • Why is there an exit for "The Oranges"?

  • What's so great about the eggs in Great Egg Harbor?

  • What exactly goes on in Succasunna?

Here's some place names that I've come across and wondered why they're called that.

Bargaintown: An unincorporated community in Egg Harbor Township, Atlantic County, a property developer named his development Bargaintown either out of desperation or as a marketing ploy in order to advertise how cheaply the lots were being offered. There's Bargaintown Park as well as the Bargaintown Volunteer Fire Company #2.

Bogota: In 2006, Mayor Steve Lonegan of Bogota complained about a Spanish language billboard in the borough, proposing adoption of an "English only" ordinance. This drew national attention, as people wondered if that meant they'd have to change the name of the borough -- wasn't it named after the capital of Colombia? Nope. The name of the Bergen County borough comes from a prominent local family named Bogert, or possibly a combination of the Bogert and Banta families, and is pronounced buh-GO-dah as opposed to bo-go-TAH. (Bogotá, Colombia, was originally called Bacatá, after a Chibcha village; the Spanish crown renamed it Santafé, but when Gran Colombia became independent from Spain in 1819, it was renamed Bogotá, an approximation of the original name.)

Brick: Not to be confused with "Brick City", a nickname for Newark, Brick Township in Ocean County was founded in 1850. The township was named after Joseph Woolston Brick, the owner of the Bergen Iron Works, who had died three years earlier. In addition to Brick Township, there was a separate municipality named after him, Bricksburg. In 1880, Bricksburg had become home to a number of resorts and was renamed Lakewood in order to sound more appealing to tourists.

Buttzville: Named after founder Michael Robert Buttz. An unincorporated community within White Township in Warren County founded in 1839, probably best known for [Hot Dog Johnny's](https://hotdogjoh

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How would history turn out if Perkin Warbeck was victorious?
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How ridiculous was Perkin Warbeck's claim to the throne?
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An Assassin’s Creed Calendar, and cause for celebration!!!

Today marks a BIG celebration for our humble cell! It’s now officially been 1 full year since the inception of r/CodexTemporis - and what a wild year it has been! So many discoveries, so many theories, and now over 80 Readers to Explore the Calculations! A big ol’ thwippin’ THANK YOU to each and every one of you for helping this community grow, answering my many polls, and coming along for the journey as we theorize and Temporize the AC franchise!

To honor this first full year of our growing cell, I’ve scoured the many corners of the wiki to compile this Assassin’s Creed Calendar of sorts, wherein I’ve noted every birthday and death day for all Assassins, Templars, and a handful of important friends that have been given a hard date up to this point!

If your favorite doesn’t appear here, check the fandom wiki, check their actual Wikipedia entry if they have one, and if I missed one with a notable official date for either their birthday or death day, tell me and I’ll add em to this already numerous list!

Because of its heft on certain days of the year, I wasn’t able to throw all this into a colorized PDF calendar like I wanted (yet?), so apologies for this format. But now with how many we have, I’d be interested to hear if any of you share a birthday with any of these guys? Not to mention, we could practically pick any day of the year and have a “religious holiday” excuse to give to our bosses. ;)

Enjoy alllll the Assassin & Templar Birthdays and Death Days I could find! And stay tuned for Discovery Tour - Temporized coming tonight to capstone the momentous occasion! Thanks again, everyone!!!

  • Your Friendly Neighborhood Mentor

January

1st

  • Rodrigo Borgia’s Birthday (1431)

2nd

  • Manuel Palaiologos’s Birthday (1455)
  • Claudia Auditore’s Birthday (1461)
  • Carlo Visconti’s Death (1477)
  • Mario Auditore’s Death (1500)
  • Jules Brunet’s Birthday (1838)

3rd

  • Li Linfu’s Death (753)
  • Jacopo de’ Pazzi’s Death (1480)

4th

  • Sir Isaac Newton’s Birthday (1643)
  • Arpinon’s, Charles Gabriel Sivert’s & Duchesneau’s Deaths (1791)

5th

  • John II of Luxembourg’s Death (1441)

6th

  • Joan of Arc’s Birthday (1412)

8th

  • Marco Polo’s Death (1324)
  • David Bowie’s Birthday (1947)

9th

  • Wang Yangming’s Death (1529)

10th

  • David Bowie’s Death (2016)

11th

  • AltaĂŻr Ibn-La’Ahad’s Birthday (1165)
  • Maud Ibn-La’Ahad’s Death (1165)
  • Möngke Khan’s Birthday (1209)

12th

  • Antonio de Ulloa’s Birthday (1716)

13th

  • King Æ
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An Assassin’s Creed Calendar of Birthdays & Death Days [Various Spoilers!]

To honor the 1st anniversary of my growing cell hiding out elsewhere, I’ve scoured the many corners of the wiki to compile this Assassin’s Creed Calendar of sorts, wherein I’ve noted every birthday and death day for all Assassins, Templars, and a handful of important friends that have been given a hard date up to this point!

Because of its heft on certain days of the year, I wasn’t able to throw all this into a colorized PDF calendar like I wanted (yet?), so apologies for this format. But now with how many we have, I’d be interested to hear if any of you share a birthday with any of these guys? Not to mention, we could practically pick any day of the year and have a “religious holiday” excuse to give to our bosses. ;)

If your favorite doesn’t appear here, check the fandom wiki, check their actual Wikipedia entry if they have one, and if I missed one with a notable official date for either their birthday or death day, tell me and I’ll add em to this already numerous list!

Enjoy alllll the Assassin & Templar Birthdays and Death Days I could find!

  • Your Friendly Neighborhood Mentor

January

1st

  • Rodrigo Borgia’s Birthday (1431)

2nd

  • Manuel Palaiologos’s Birthday (1455)
  • Claudia Auditore’s Birthday (1461)
  • Carlo Visconti’s Death (1477)
  • Mario Auditore’s Death (1500)
  • Jules Brunet’s Birthday (1838)

3rd

  • Li Linfu’s Death (753)
  • Jacopo de’ Pazzi’s Death (1480)

4th

  • Sir Isaac Newton’s Birthday (1643)
  • Arpinon’s, Charles Gabriel Sivert’s & Duchesneau’s Deaths (1791)

5th

  • John II of Luxembourg’s Death (1441)

6th

  • Joan of Arc’s Birthday (1412)

8th

  • Marco Polo’s Death (1324)
  • David Bowie’s Birthday (1947)

9th

  • Wang Yangming’s Death (1529)

10th

  • David Bowie’s Death (2016)

11th

  • AltaĂŻr Ibn-La’Ahad’s Birthday (1165)
  • Maud Ibn-La’Ahad’s Death (1165)
  • Möngke Khan’s Birthday (1209)

12th

  • Antonio de Ulloa’s Birthday (1716)

13th

  • King Æthelwulf’s Death (858)

16th

  • RenĂ© de Anjou’s Birthday (1409)

17th

  • Benjamin Franklin’s Birthday (1706)

19th

  • Roi des Thunes’s Death (1791)

20th

  • Alessandro Valignano’s Death (1606)
  • William Lowndes’s Death (1724)
  • François Mackendal’s Death (1758)
  • Buzz Aldrin’s Birthday (1930)

21st

  • Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Death (1924)

22nd

  • Lyndon B. Johnson’s Death (1973)

24th

  • Paul Moritz Warburg’s Death (1932)

25th

  • Philip Twopenny’s Birthday (1827)

27th

  • John Glover Roberts, Jr.’s Birthday (1955)

28th

  • King Charlemagne
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