Just watching ‘the case against...’ for the first time and saw her brother’s testimony. He seems to have a Korean accent, but from what I’ve heard elsewhere, Hae didn’t really. That’s really unusual isn’t if?

Recently, I listened the first season of Serial again. I also began the HBO documentary, the Case Against Adnan Syed. I’m sure the rant I’m about to go on has been expressed many times here in this subreddit, but on the eve of the 23rd anniversary of Hae Min Lee’s murder, I feel it is appropriate to say. I apologize for the not very thought-out post here, but I need to say it.

I was completely angered to see that, in the documentary, the importance and gravity of the loss of Hae’s life is only described by a few people: notably, the Korean woman who they interview (I can’t remember her name) and Hae’s friends. Even the readings from the diary are short and only last through the first episode. I really wanted to hear anecdotes from her friends about the kind of person she was, and what she wanted to become. Instead, it’s just the lividity of the body and the vaginal swabs and the grass underneath the car and Adnan Adnan Adnan.

This incredibly beautiful and vivacious young girl was viciously murdered. She is in the shadow of the attempts to paint Adnan as an innocent teenager. As a teenage girl myself, I can feel how Hae must have felt in the last days of her life. She was probably excited to go to college, and to have this great new boyfriend. She loved her friends. Although she felt stifled by her mother and her family, she loved her family. She even kept a diary with a famous painting on the cover (which I do too). As I revisit this story, I realize how close I feel to Hae. We’re around the same age too.

To Rabia Chaudry, both in the podcast and on the TV show, the life of Hae Min Lee has absolutely no meaning. Hae is a mere prop in the case that made Rabia a niche podcast celebrity. Rabia claims that she wants to give justice to the person who did it, but what Hae’s death really is to her is the thing that got her little brother’s friend in prison and whose innocence she’s staked her whole career on. The very fact that the documentary centers around her is egregious. Everytime she appeared on screen, I was so pissed off. Rabia has inserted herself into the canon of the murder at this point. Even the name of the documentary is wrong: “The Case Against Adnan Syed.” It should be called the Murder of Hae Min Lee.

After my second listen, I still don’t know how the murder really went down, and I don’t care. All that I know is the girl who the case centers on has been overshadowed by this man who probably committed the murder. Obviously, the timeline i

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Did the ladies cover Hae's case? I think I remember them talking about it at one point but couldn't remember if they actually covered it.

This case has been covered to death in several places including Serial and an HBO docuseries. And despite all that there still seems to be facts that people can’t agree on. This series of posts is meant to be mostly a coverage of that. Because the who knew what when and how is incredibly important. A breakdown, if you will, of the investigation and trial with minimal speculation at the end that will be clearly marked. By the end I hope to have a summarized reference drawn primarily from the police reports and trial transcripts that everyone can refer to.

Baltimore, Maryland and Woodlawn on January, 12th 1999

In 1999, Baltimore County contained 754,292 people, a population which had been shrinking since 1950. Baltimore, once the 6th largest city in the United States, it was then the 18th. 74.4% were White, 20.1% African American, and only 3.2% were Asian. A small amount were muslim. There were 305 murders in the city, 8x the national average that year.

Woodlawn High School is a magnet school with 1,651 students and 98% graduation rate in 1999. In 2008 it was 61% African American and 11% asian. 42% of students are on free and reduced lunch.

Gwynns Falls Leakin Park was created in 1908, and is 1,200 acres, close to two square miles. It is the largest woodlands city park on the east coast. In 1999 the park had a somewhat grisly reputation, with at least 27 bodies found in its borders in the previous 5 years including two other teenage girls.

Hae Min Lee

She was born in South Korea and moved to the United States when she was 12, along with her mother and brother. Her father stayed behind and substantially ceased contact. She had lived in the local area except for a brief stint in high school when the family moved to California due to her mother’s engagement which fell through. Hae was a honors student and member of the magnet program and played lacrosse and field hockey, as well as an extensive list of other clubs. Her job at LensCrafters was a stepping stone on the way to becoming an optometrist. Hae was beginning to date coworker Don (22). There was a planned trip to France that February.

Adnan Syed

He was born the second son in a family of three boys. He was an honors student and played varsity football and had a job with a paramedic service as an EMT. Adnan was popular at school, and crowned the homecoming prince. His muslim parents felt conflict with some parts of the American lifestyle including dating, and moderate amounts of drinking a

The ongoing saga of the murder of Hae Min Lee and conviction of Adnan Syed. This case has been covered to death in several places including Serial and an HBO docuseries. And despite all that there still seems to be facts that people can’t agree on. Here begins a discussion about the speculation that surrounds this case, my own and others. I will try to keep everything firmly based in facts, but keep your salt shakers close at hand. First, I will be assuming that the detectives that investigated this case made a good faith effort to be just and fair. They may not have completely nailed every point, but they are only human. If you are in the camp that contends that the cops actively and intentionally fed Jay information to frame Adnan, this post is not for you. In fact as this series was sources 85% plus from police documentation, this series was not written for you. I tried to keep two things in mind. The first is that people’s memory objectively sucks. Humans are really bad at remembering things that aren’t important at the time, and even some things that are. So I give more weight to things people said closer to the time when it happened, and try to work out when the 13th became memorable to each person. The second is that people lie. They lie all the time. But they usually do it for a reason. To protect themselves, to protect others, or because they want something. In combination with this, I asked myself a question. If this person came up to me and told me they had just seen Madonna at Starbucks, would I believe them? It is possible but unlikely for that to happen. Just like a murder case. It is of course a subjective measure that everyone should keep their own council on.

Natural Suspects

In every case there are some people who are always looked at closely. Romantic partners, exes, the family, and the person who finds the body. In this case we have Don, Adnan, the family, and Alonzo.

I completely agree with the police that in this case Hae’s family did not need a deeper look. There has never been any evidence at all implicating them, and they did everything right.

Don also seems to be easily eliminated on first glance. It was only slightly suspicious that they were unable to contact him until the early hours of the morning, and they learn that he was at work. This is confirmed by the supervisor at the store where he usually works early on in the investigation. At the time the detectives have no reason to doubt this, but it would have been nice if

I've often thought that someone should do a podcast on Serial season one about how SK was drawn into this innocence tale and didn't look back until it was too late. It's my personal opinion that her hesitance then straight up denial to speak about season one is an indication of regret, but I could be wrong.

Without Rabia's loosey goosey story telling, which should have been questioned but I digress, the writing was on the wall. A recent ex is overheard asking for a ride he doesn't need, peers report he is not handling the break up well, the method of murder being so personal and so specific to domestic violence type murders, Hae's diary... the list goes on.

Instead we got proclamations about dairy cow eyes, and the christening of the "golden child" a moniker Adnan did not deserve. The start of the Hae Min Lee character assassination which would continue on Undisclosed and Truth and Justice.

Looking back after six years of following this case, it's just gross.

First time poster here, wanted to find an active group to ask this question. As i’m beginning to read Hae’s diary, i’m immediately struck by the way she talks of “Nick” (seemingly her ex?) as a “jealous monster”. What else is known about him, and was he ever checked out by police during the investigation? Would love to hear thoughts on if/how he means anything to the case :)

The ongoing saga of the murder of Hae Min Lee and conviction of Adnan Syed. This case has been covered to death in several places including Serial and an HBO docuseries. And despite all that there still seems to be facts that people can’t agree on. By the end I hope to have a summarized reference drawn primarily from the police reports and trial transcripts that everyone can refer to.

Jay

He was an acquaintance of Adnan’s through Stephanie, and bought him pot twice. Adnan said he was going to kill Hae four or five days before the 13th.

Trial Timeline:

• Adnan called him at 10:45 and they decided to go to the mall to buy Stephanie birthday presents.
• Adnan asks Jay to keep his car and cellphone and pick him up later. He said his relationship with Hae was not going well, but he seemed more sad than angry.
• Jay called Jen at 12:07 and 12:41.
• Jay and Jen’s brother Mark played video games and then went to go finish shopping.
• Adnan called Jay twice to see if everything was going ok. And again at 3:45 to ask him to come to Best Buy.
• Adnan shows Jay Hae’s body on her side in the trunk of Hae’s car.
• Jay follows Adnan to the I70 Park and Ride. Adnan joins Jay in the car and they go to Cooks Lane to buy weed.
• At 3:21 Jay calls Jen to ask if the pot source was good.
• Adnan calls a friend and Jay says hi.
• At 3:48 Jay calls a friend and a different friend at 3:59.
• They arrive at Forest Park Avenue and they buy pot.
• At 4:12 Jay calls a friend to ask if she was home.
• Adnan wants to go to track practice, and said Hae deserved to die for hurting him. Adnan said he killed her with his bare hands and that she kicked the turn signal in her car.
• Adnan gets a call that Jay thinks is from his mother and goes to practice.
• Jay hangs out at Kristi’s and smokes.
• Jay gets a call from Adnan and goes to pick him up from practice.
• Jay and Adnan smoke at Kristi’s house, and Adnan lays down on the floor and sleeps. Adnan gets a call from Hae’s family to ask if he knows anything. They call back by accident, and then Adnan is called by the police. Adnan gets rid of his gloves. This is a total of about 25 minutes.
• They drive to Jay’s house, and Adnan threatens Jay into helping and gets two of Jay’s shovels. They return to get Hae’s car.
• Adnan sends Jay to wait at McDonalds. Adnan joins Jay at McDonalds and then Jay follows him to Leakin Park. Jay paged Jenn at 7:00 to tell her he would be late. Adnan left Hae’s car and they went into the woods to d