So not when they became main event players but when their personalities evolved permanently?
What really happened at Sacrifice 2006? Why did Scott Steiner lose when the numbers spelt disaster for Samoa Joe (and implicitly, glory for Steiner?) I set out to answer this riddle that has divided wrestling fans for a generation.
Under triple threat rules, the first wrestler to successfully pin or submit another wrestler is victorious, meaning there's a winner, a loser, and a wrestler who was not involved in the decision - they are still a "loser", but they did not lose the match.
Therefore, to best understand Scott Steiner's famous promo, one must first see the conclusion of a triple threat match (the "finish") and the aftermath (who wins, and in this case leaves Sacrifice as TNA champion) as two discrete stages where there's a single loser in the first and two losers in the second. Another way of thinking of it is to view the match as a series of potential singles matches.
Triple threats are implicitly no-DQ, so assuming a clear winner the possible finishes are:
- Samoa Joe pins or submits Scott Steiner: We know the odds of this are exactly 25%. Steiner says as much.
- Kurt Angle pins or submits Scott Steiner: Literally impossible, 0%. Kurt KNOWS he can't beat Steiner, so he won't even try.
- Kurt Angle pins or submits Samoa Joe: 50%. Many assume Kurt had no chance of winning the match, including Steiner himself, but I posit this is incorrect because Kurt does not, in fact, have to beat Steiner. He just needs to beat Joe, while preventing Steiner from being involved in the decision. Steiner says that "ordinarily" when two wrestlers wrestle either's chance of winning is 50/50, so we can assume that's the case for any finish involving Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle but NOT Scott Steiner.
- Samoa Joe pins or submits Kurt Angle: 50%, for reasons explained above.
- Scott Steiner pins or submits Samoa Joe: Well, if Joe has a 25% chance to beat Steiner, then Steiner has a 75% chance to beat Joe. Simple.
- Scott Steiner pins or submits Kurt Angle: 100%. If this is the decision, then Steiner's victory is assured.
Since each wrestler's chances of winning or losing to another wrestler adds up to 100%, and there are three wrestlers, we need to add their respective chances of winning together and divide by three to get their true chance of victory:
Samoa Joe: (25+50)/3 = 25%
Kurt Angle: (50+0)/3 = 16.66% repeating
Scott Steiner: (75+100)/3= 58.33% repeating
We can see that Steiner is the clear favorite. But remember, if Kurt Angle wasn't involved, his
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Source: Talk Is Jericho
Looks like Angle managing Riddle never came to fruition due to WWE offering low pay
Kurt Angle revealed that he asked McMahon about squaring off against John Cena. McMahon told him Angle could face Cena the next year at WrestleMania 36, but Angle didn’t want that as he had no intention of jobbing to other WWE Superstars.
- “Well Vince [McMahon] said, ‘Well Kurt, you can do that next year.’ I was like, ‘Vince, I’m retiring this year.’ He said, ‘Well if you wait another year, I could do that for you.’ I said, ‘No, no, I’m gonna do it this year’ because there was no way in hell I was gonna wrestle another year especially in WWE because all they were gonna do was job me out for the whole year so, I knew — I could see the writing on the wall and I didn’t know if I wanted to be a part of that.”
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Internet: lol shut up Perc Angle
Just goes to show how he really enjoyed being in TNA and spent a lot of effort dedicating his time to the company there. These stats are based on Angle's main roster debut for each company and official return for his second WWE stint and Angle's final matches for all three stints (WWE 1st stint - Survivor Series - Nov 14th, 1999, WWE 2nd stint - Raw - April 3, 2017, TNA - October 19, 2006) and the final matches (WWE 1st stint last match against Sabu - Aug 8, 2006, WWE 2nd stint last match against Corbin - April 7, 2019, TNA run last match against Lashley - March 8, 2016)
There is a professional wrestler called Kurt Angle (who is also known for the feat of achieving “an olympic gold medal with a broken freaking neck.”), who wrestled during the Attitude Era heyday.
Anyhow, he has made reference to his hometown several times during his career.
Is he widely heard of in Pittsburg? As he is a legitimate athlete as well as a pro wrestler.
Big Show won with Paul Heyman’s help and Eddie Guerrero had a Goldberg spear assistance.
Only Kurt Angle got to beat the 2002-2004 Lesnar truly on his own (and make him tap) in Lesnar’s first big run after Brock had run through The Rock, Undertaker and so on.
That is how real Kurt Angle was, that one could take serious him defeating a monster like Lesnar.
>Kurt Angle spoke on the latest episode of his podcast The Kurt Angle Show about WWE’s Next in Line Program. WWE’s NIL program is being used as a pathway for college athletes to come to the WWE while still allowing them to profit on their name, image, and likeness, similar to the NCAA’s NIL rules. The former Olympic Gold Medalist spoke about why the program is a great idea for WWE as a way to recruit new talent to the company.
>“I think the Next in Line program is very effective because you’re getting college athletes and a lot of these athletes are going to be world-class athletes,” Angle said. “Those are the kind of athletes you want in professional wrestling. You can be a non-athlete and join a territory and work your way up and still be a great worker. What WWE is looking for is those nostalgic athletes that are graduating college and don’t have a future in sports. In other words, a great football player that was all-American in college and didn’t get drafted into the NFL, he’d be a great choice to pick for WWE.
>“I think it’s a great program and I think you need a little bit of both. You want the old school where you have the territories and the small promotions where you can work, and work on your character, and work on your development in the ring. I think you need a little bit of both of those. NXT is like the training super ground where they basically throw everything at you at once and try to come up with something. I think it takes years of experience to become a great professional wrestler and I think the small territories are very effective, and that’s where we get a lot of our characters. Where they come up with gimmicks and carry it over to the WWE. I think you want both of them, the Next in Line program and the smaller promotions.”
>Triple H revealed how the company will compensate WWE NIL Athletes, stating the different ranges of compensation talent will get based on their accomplishments. The 1996 Olympic Gold Medalist spoke about whether or not he’d agree to be a scout for the WWE for college athletes as a part of the NIL program.
>“I would definitely do it,” Angle said. “I would love to scout amateur athletes. I know what it takes to be a pro wrestler and I was a world-class athlete. None better than me to do that job.”
>Angle also revealed that a member of his family might be following in his footsteps and appearing in the Olympics someday.
>“My daughter Giuliana is 10 years old and her coaches tell us she’s
... keep reading on reddit ➡The match starts with mat-wrestling. Kurt Angle is the best at this. However, Shawn Michaels is out-wrestling Kurt Angle. Shawn is dominating and Kurt don't know what to do.
As the match continues, the match start to go more and more as an over the top match, Kurt Angle start to get more responses to HBK.
The match totally became an over the tope one when Shawn Michaels springboard-moonsaulted to the annouce table at Kurt Angle.
In these type of matches, Shawn Michaels is the best. However, Kurt Angle is now dominating, Shawn Michaels begins to desperate and Kurt will even win.
I just love how they both played their game and both got beaten. Kurt wrestled with his classic way to wrestle, his technical mat-wrestling style, and got beaten at his game. Shawn wrestled with his classic way to wrestle, his catch-and-catch style, and got beaten at his game. I always found the story-telling in this match underrated.
