What do you think about Glenn Loury and John McWhorter's comments on the given issues?

I was listening to this podcast today, and I wanted to ask about a couple of things in it, so I figured I would give links to the various sections I was curious about, and let people reply to whichever section they wanted to take the time to listen to:

21:53-32:40 - Talking about wokeness at The Julliard School and elsewhere.

36:46-40:30 - McWhorter talks about why this stuff bothers him so much.

40:30-50:05 - Talking about George Floyd as a father (this isn't especially interesting to me, but it's certainly something some people might have a strong opinion about).

50:08- - Glenn asks if he should go on Tucker Carlson. I actually thought this was a really interesting question, and a difficult one to answer, and I was curious what other people thought about the consequences of being tainted by having appeared on Fox News, and it's interesting to see the thought process that goes on for Glenn Loury and those like him about it.

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Just listened to the Glenn Loury podcast with John McWhorter from a few weeks ago… WTF?

So I’ve never listened to Glenn Loury podcast but I searched Apple podcast for John McWhorter and came across and episode of Glenn’s show from late April… what the fuck?

I was expecting a nuanced discussion on race coming into it after listening to McWhorter’s other work but many of Glenn’s comments just came off like the script for a conservative snuff film. He makes several statements like β€œthere is something PATHOLOGICALLY wrong with the black community” or when he mentions Obama in the context of race he says β€œBarrack HUSSEIN Obama” as if to highlight what there, his middle eastern name? Granted McWhorter calls him on his shit and says that Glenn should stray from that type of language because it suggest genetic decencies. Then Glenn just drones on about how he’s β€œmostly with the police” and the blacks have a β€œcrime” problem… as if to completely ignore the link between crime and poverty. I walked in hoping to hear a nuanced discussion but that Glenn guy really rubbed me the wrong way. I can’t imagine any intellectually honest person listening to this guy. He seems a few steps away from Candace Owens who I vehemently despise.

I still like McWhorter though because I think he’s fairly balanced in his approach.

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I created this video for everyday people explaining how Critical Race Theory acts as a pathologically destructive ideology (ft. John McWhorter and Chloe Valdary) youtu.be/kphPgq6GfA0
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I’m John McWhorter, professor of linguistics at Columbia University. My new book, NINE NASTY WORDS, explores what imbues profanity with such power, and why we love it so much. AMA.

Hi Reddit! I’m John McWhorter, professor of linguistics, American studies, and music history at Columbia University and host of the Lexicon Valley podcast on Slate. I’ve written multiple books that examine the way we speak, write, and read.

In my new book, NINE NASTY WORDS, I investigate nine of our favorite curse words from every angle – historical, sociological, political, and linguistic – to show how, as language evolves, so, too, does what we consider profane or unspeakable. I share where our urge to curse comes from(hint: it’s not the same part of the brain that processes speech), why β€œhell” is the most confoundingly illogical swear word, and why you do, in fact, need all of those different slang words for β€œphallus,” among other topics, with the goal of helping readers understand what makes these (mostly) 4-letter words so much more than words.

If you have questions about the origin of the word β€œf*ck,” today’s most taboo swear words, George Carlin’s infamous comedy routine, or just want to share your favorite piece of profanity, I am here for it. AMA!

Proof: https://twitter.com/JohnHMcWhorter/status/1389282983278960643

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Are there limitations to black conservative thought? John McWhorter responds to Professor Aaron Hanna. An example of fair critique, and a response to fair critique.

John McWhorter is a famous linguist and public intellectual who is publishing an upcoming book on "Woke Racism"; he is known, along with Professor Glenn Loury, as one of the "black guys at Bloggingheads.TV." He has written a response in Quillette to another Quillette piece by Professor Hanna that he calls "a sober, courteous critique of black 'conservative' thought." I think this is a good example of two people who disagree on some things but can both write fair-minded critiques that elevate the conversation.

Article One: The Limits of Black Conservative Thought

Article Two: On Victimhood and Culture: A reply to Aaron Hanna

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Revisiting Classics at Princeton: Exempting Black Kids from Challenge is Lousy Antiracism [John McWhorter's follow-up to his Atlantic piece] johnmcwhorter.substack.co…
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John McWhorter funny and on fire about the woke infantilization of black people youtube.com/watch?v=-tjgX…
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John McWhorter - Why Charles Murray's new book is his weakest johnmcwhorter.substack.co…
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John McWhorter is not as admiring of Charles Murray's new book as Glenn Loury is johnmcwhorter.substack.co…
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John McWhorter, a linguist with whom I hope you all become familiar, wrote an Atlantic article on Princeton's removal of Latin and Greek requirements. "The Problem With Dropping Standards in the Name of Racial Equity" theatlantic.com/ideas/arc…
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What’s the over-under on how many Wokesters lose their shit on this sub over the John McWhorter interview tonight? I heard 25, but that seems kinda low.
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Can we please ditch the term "systemic racism"? [John McWhorter] johnmcwhorter.substack.co…
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The Slippery Slope to Hell | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show youtube.com/watch?v=X0H4M…
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Guest Request: John McWhorter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh…
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John McWhorter on "Black Fragility" youtube.com/watch?v=-tjgX…
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What do you think about Coleman Hughes, Thomas Williams, John McWhorter, and Glenn Loury, and their criticisms of "woke" anti-racist academics (such as Robin DiAngelo or Ibram X. Kendi)?

These four individuals are described as the "anti-conformists of anti-racism."

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John McWhorter - Thoughts and insight to his ideas?

I just listened to John McWhorter on Bill Maher. His position and discussion regarding a logical approach to racism/cancel culture had me order his book Nine Nasty Words. I just wanted to turn to this sub, as I enjoy what people have to say about different literature and concepts that uphold or dispel approaches to these issues.

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Black Columbia Prof. John McWhorter Calls on Parents to Pull Kids from New Jersey Prep School over Critical Race Theory Curriculum breitbart.com/tech/2021/0…
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At The New York Times, Intent Does Not Matter When Someone Uses 'the N-Word,' Except When It Does | The paper let linguist John McWhorter use the racial slur he was discussing but felt a need to explain that decision. reason.com/2021/04/30/at-…
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Guest Suggestion for EKS: John McWhorter

I know John has been on the Vox-era EKS when Jane was guest hosting, as well as The Weeds with Matt, and The Argument with Jane, but none of those quite scratched the itch for me. I think it would be awesome to have a 60-90 minute episode of John talking to Ezra. I don't even care what topic, but I think we can imagine what they would cover. In any case, I have high hopes for an intelligent, fair, and thoughtful conversation between these two.

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John McWhorter: Ignore the left's gaslighting, it's not racist to criticize Critical Race Theory hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/…
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Chris Hayes and John McWhorter have an excellent "debate" on cancel culture on Hayes's podcast "Why is This Happening" open.spotify.com/episode/…
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John McWhorter: The Neoracists persuasion.community/p/jo…
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Glenn Loury and John Mcwhorter discuss Thomas Sowell youtu.be/jAX7vO-Fjl0
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Columbia University Professor John McWhorter Explains Why He Prefers Kanye over Jay Z youtu.be/hdF2XL0NJ2A?t=16…
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Esoterica Margate in my H. Wiebe Radiator. Ice water, Dark Chocolate and a John McWhorter (Linguist) podcast about the evolution of bad words. reddit.com/gallery/ngq3xb
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John McWhorter (Making Sense #217) on The Psychology Podcast with Scott Barry Kaufman (Making Sense #209) youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_I0…
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John McWhorter on Bill Maher on the racism of low expectations youtube.com/watch?v=-tjgX…
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Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes - Who Gets To Say with John McWhorter podcasts.google.com/feed/…
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Please help me find a Glenn Loury & John McWhorter clip

I've been rewatching so many of their conversations but can't seem to find this.

Glenn was doing one of his epic rants, I think it this was on education but I'm not sure. He was so impassioned that his voice cracked at some points. All I remember are these phrases:

"honed and developed"

"it's a lie, John!"

(John in response) "I am as angry as you, Glenn"

Please help me find this?

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A discussion on critical race theory with john McWhorter. From the New York Times podcast: The Argument podcasts.google.com/feed/…
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John McWhorter: "Jason Kilborn, law professor, had his classes cancelled, is barred from campus and is on admin leave - for using the N and B words in EXPURGATED form on an exam. This isn't social justice. It's punitive piety capitulated to by cowards." twitter.com/JohnHMcWhorte…
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John McWhorter: The Neoracists A new religion is preached across America. It's nonsense posing as wisdom.

This article is an excerpt from McWhorter's new book, being released on his substack, in 5 installments (at $5 each). Some here have expressed interest in discussing this article, which contains an overview of salient points.

There is the term Neoracist itself - always handy to name the beast.

Ten listed "Third Wave Antiracist tenets," are included in brief bulletpoints.

"The self-contradiction of these tenets is crucial, in revealing that Third Wave Antiracism is not a philosophy but a religion."

He's just getting warmed up.

John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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The "Badass MF" problem in the Black community | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show youtube.com/watch?v=lOKiK…
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Identity Politics Debate: John Mcwhorter & Michael Eric Dyson youtu.be/4YE8NMx2lY0
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Black fragility? by John McWhorter johnmcwhorter.substack.co…
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