Imre Lakatos' ideas

I was reading up on Lakatos and his ideas to improve on the demarcation criteria proposed by Popper and the attempts to reconcile it with Kuhn. Can someone give me an overview or direct me to some relevant papers?

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Is "Proofs and Refutations" by Imre Lakatos a must-read for all mathematicians? Are there any other philosophical books one should read?

Although philosophy of mathematics isn't something that is actively taught at my university (afaik one can minor in philosophy, but I don't know anyone who does this), I still feel like it is something every mathematician should have at least a passing acquaintance with (I feel like it is not an overstatement to say mathematics has deep ties to philosophy).

To this end I've been thinking of trying Lakatos' "Proofs and Refutations", which led me to the following 2 questions: is it advisable for a maths undergrad (with no experience in philosophy) to read this, i.e. how worthwhile is it to someone at the beginning of their mathematical journey, and whether there any other books on the philosophy of mathematics (or perhaps philosophy in general) every mathematician should read. I've heard of Hofstadter's GEB, but I have misgivings about sacrificing what little free time I have to reading it, considering just how long it is.

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The Story of Imre Lakatos, one of the greatest philosophers of science and mathematics abc.net.au/radionational/…
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ELI5: How does Imre Lakatos mean we should separate between science and pseudoscience? /r/explainlikeimfive/comm…
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ELI5: How does Imre Lakatos mean we should separate between science and pseudoscience?

I'm really struggling with finding/understanding the essence of what Lakatos is saying about how to identify what science is, and what pseudoscience is.

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What can the work of Paul Feyerabend and Imre Lakatos contribute to anarchist theory?
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How science fails: Imre Lakatos and the philosophy of bad science – Jim Baggott | Aeon Essays aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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Imre Lakatos and the philosophy of bad science aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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How Science Fails: For the Γ©migrΓ© philosopher Imre Lakatos, science degenerates unless it is theoretically and experimentally progressive. aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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How science fails: Imre lakatos and the philosophy of bad science aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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For Imre Lakatos, science degenerates unless it is theoretically and experimentally progressive aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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Imre Lakatos and the philosophy of bad science aeon.co/essays/imre-lakat…
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Post-Kuhnian Philosophy of Science: Imre Lakatos youtube.com/watch?v=VExVa…
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Imre Lakatos, are you there? It's time to expunge this "methodology" nonsense once and for all.

Gottverdammt this internet cafe is a dump! Melange never arrives, internet runs sporadically, opening hours whenever they feel like it - it's pretty much anything goes around here.

Yeah Grüß Gott. It's Paul Feyerabend. Yeah I'm dead right? Well yes ... but the empiricists will be floored to learn that Plato was right all along. We dead thinkers all get to exist in this transcendental realm. That's the good news. The bad news (apart from all the damn pure mathematicians taking the best desks) is that the quantum consciousness crazies were right also. Yeah yeah I know, s'what I said too - WTF? But I tell you - if they don't start implementing high speed neuronal entanglement into our local internet network, I'm seriously going to this collapse this joint. The decoherence is making it worse than #%$@ dialup here.

So what else is it like here? You'd think there would be lots of elite thinkers to hang around. Turns out we're all here to exorcise our erroneous earthly assumptions. Einstein spends most of his time playing craps at the local casino, Newton owns his own brewery and Dick Feynman runs the aviary (heard he is quite useful there too). Old man Popper has still not made it here - got into a lot of trouble for falsifying his entry application. Kurt Goedel also got stuck - his was just incomplete - couldn't prove his own residency.

So anyway, was zum Teufel am I doing here on Reddit? I'm actually trying to find a friend of mine and resolve a dispute. 36 years ago we were just about ready to publish a book written together but he died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage (not surprised frankly - his crazy attempts to unify the old man's theories with Tom Kuhn's would have made anyone's brain explode).

As I wrote in my book "Against Method" :

> We have to conclude then, that even within science, reason cannot and should not be allowed to be comprehensive and that it must often be overruled or eliminated in favour of other agencies. There is not a single rule that remains valid under all circumstances and not a single agency to which an appeal can always be made. Even Lakatos' ingenious methodology does not escape this indictment.


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Post-Kuhnian Philosophy of Science: Imre Lakatos (1 of 3) youtube.com/watch?v=VExVa…
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Falsificationism 2.0? Imre Lakatos's concepts of progressive and degenerating research programs. (Must-listen MP3 of his 1974 lecture).

Imre Lakatos was a Hungarian philosopher of mathematics and science who studied under Popper at the London School of Economics. Some influential philosophers believe the Lakatosian approach to the philosophy of science is still unsuperceded.

Lakatos, in my reading, tried to reconcile Popper's falsificationism with the actual practice of science as expounded by Thomas Kuhn. Lakatos rejected Kuhn's notions of scientific revolutions as unrealistic and Popper's falsificationism as naive. Instead, Lakatos argued that theories are couched in a "protective belt" of auxiliary hypotheses which can be modified to rescue the core theory when empirical evidence appears to run contrary to the theory's predictions. He called the combination of this core theory with the protective belt of assumptions a "research program".

He divides these research programs into "progressive" and "degenerating" research programs. Progressive research programs all predict novel facts - either undreampt of, or contradicted by rival programs. In degenerating research programs, theories are modified only in order to accommodate known facts. He then argues that scientific revolutions rarely occur as dramatically as Kuhn describes - research programs degenerate over time and are replaced by progressive research programs.

In some sense then you could view Lakatos' philosophy as a historiographical upgrade to Popperian falsificationism to reflect the way that science occurs in practice.

Anyway don't take my word for it - you can hear him speak about it. If this interests you at all, you absolutely must listen to the recording of his "Science and Pseudoscience" lecture at LSE (mp3) in 1974 shortly before he died suddenly at age 51. It is only 20 minutes long and succinctly captures his entire philosophy of science. Lakatos reputedly was an entertaining speaker, much respected and liked by his academic adversaries (like Paul Feyerabend). You might find his voice a little difficult to understand but I really appreciated his dramatic, very Hungarian style of speaking. More information on the talk can be found here.

Some notable (sometimes funny) quotes :

> "All theories are born refuted and die refuted".

> "All programs g

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Imre Lakatos, are you there? Cross-post from Philosophy of Science reddit.com/r/Philosophyof…
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Imre Lakatos, your compatriot, John Von Neumann and I are about to relegate your scientific research program methodology to the philosobabble scrap-heap.

As promised earlier, I present to you and your methodological elvtΓ‘rs, my simple challenge :

Detail for me a methodology of any form or structure that you believe science should or does emulate, and I will respond with a historic counterexample which demonstrates that, had your methodology been adopted, it would have been disastrous for scientific progress.

As for your scientific research program methodology, you disappoint me with your similarities of conceptual structure as the old man. You both simply detest adhoc responses to anomalies. If an ad-hoc hypothesis is invented to rescue a scientific program that does not generate new novel predictions (try defining "novel" as well), you equate this with pseudo-science.

We can both agree modern science has developed mathematical structures which exceed anything that has existed so far in coherence, generality and empirical success. But in order to achieve this miracle, all the existing empirical troubles had to be pushed into the relation between theory and fact and had to be concealed, by ad hoc hypotheses, ad hoc approximations and other procedures.

Von Neumann's work in quantum mechanics is an especially instructive example of this procedure. In order to arrive at a satisfactory proof of the expansion theorem in Hilbert Space, von Neumann replaced the quasi-intuitive notions of Dirac (and Bohr) by more complex notions of his own. The theoretical relations between the new notions are amenable to a more rigorous treatment than the theoretic relations between the notions that preceded them. The situation is different in relation to experimental procedures. No measuring instruments can be specified for the great majority of observables, and where specification is possible it becomes necessary to modify well-known and unrefuted laws in an arbitrary way or else to admit that some quite ordinary problems of quantum mechanics, such as the scattering problem, do not have a solution. Thus the theory becomes a veritable monster of rigour and precision while at the same time, its relation to experience is more obscure than ever.

So drop the mathematically formulated theory because of its degenerative character? Auf keinen Fall! The Hilbert Space formulation forms the very mathematical basis of modern q

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Most of the Economic theory that I have studied in an academic environment has been in the Neo-Classical tradition.

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Thank you!

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