Horatio Seymour Puns

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Ulysses S. Grant's opponent in the 1868 Presidential election was Horatio Seymour, who ran on a ticket of being the "White Man's" choice, as opposed to Grant, who was viewed as being the Negro's choice. How different might things of have been had Seymour and Blair won the election in 1868?

This is the twenty sixth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Horatio Seymour beating hero of the Civil War Ulysses S. Grant!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. Lewis Cass (1848): 2.2
18. Martin Van Buren (1848): 2.6
19. Winfield Scott (1852): 3.1
20. John C Fremont (1856): 4.3
21. Millard Fillmore (1856): 1.8
22. Stephen Douglas (1860): 1.5
23. John C Beckenridge (1860): 1.1
24. John Bell (1860): 1.3
25. George McClellan (1864): 1.2

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I was looking through various presidential elections and it seems like very few governors ran for president despite the view today that governors are better equipped to manage the presidency than senators but it seems like for most of US history governors running for president was pretty rare pre civil war. Excluding VPs who were never elected just 4 presidents from before the late civil war were governors (including Van Buren who resigned after 2 months) compared to 11 afterwords and 4 of those were succession of each other (Carter, Reagan and Clinton, Bush Jr.). If you include territory governors Harrison was a governor of Indiana as a territory and Jackson was briefly military governor of Florida. Even when looking at presidential candidates very few were governors, most were senators. Here are the candidates

Charles Pinckney (F) - Veteran and minister to France

DeWitt Clinton (D-R)- Mayor of NYC and senator (he did become governor later on after his presidential campaign)

Rufus King (F) - Senator

Henry Clay (D-R/N-R/W) - House Speaker and Senator

William Crawford (D-R) - Senator and Secretary of Treasury

Hugh White (W) - Senator

Daniel Webster (W) - Senator

Willie Mangum (W) - Senator

Lewis Cass (D) - Senator and Territory governor

Winfield Scott (W) - Commander

John C. Frémont (R) - Senator and territory governor

Stephen Douglas (D) - Senator

Breckinridge (S-D) - VP and Representative

John Bell (CU) - Senator

George McClellan (D) - General

Horatio Seymour (D) - Governor

Horace Greeley (LR) - Representative

Samuel J. Tilden (D) - Governor

Winfield Hancock (D) - General

James G. Blaine (R) - Senator

James Weaver (Pop.) - Representative

William Jennings Bryan (D) - Representative

Alton Parker (D) - Chief Judge

Charles Hughes (R) - Associate Justice and governor

James M. Cox (D) - Governor

John Davis (D) - Ambassador, Solicitor general and representative

Robert M. La Follette (P) - Governor and Senator

Al Smith (D) - Governor

Alf Landon (R) - Governor

Wendell Willkie (R) - Businessman

Thomas Dewey (R) - Governor

Storm Thurmond (Dix.) - Governor

Adlai Stevenson (D) - Governor

Barry Goldwater (R) - Senator

Hubert Humphrey (D) - VP and Senator

George Wallace (AI) - Governor

George McGovern (D) - Senator

John Anderson (I) - Representative

Walter Mondale (D) - VP and Senator

Michael Dukakis (D) - Governor

Ross Perot (I/Ref.) - Businessman

Bob Dole (R) - Senator

Al Gore (D) - VP

1788/9: George Washington (Independent)

1792: George Washington (Independent)

1796: John Adams (Federalist)

1800: John Adams (Federalist)

1804: Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)

1808: Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)

1812: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)

1816: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)

1820: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)

1824: Henry Clay (Democratic-Republican)

1828: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)

1832: William Wirt (Anti-Masonic)

1836: Willie P. Mangum (Whig)

1840: William Henry Harrison (Whig)

1844: James K. Polk (Democratic)

1848: Zachary Taylor (Whig)

1852: Winfield Scott (Whig)

1856: Millard Fillmore (Know-Nothing)

1860: John Bell (Constitutional Union)

1864: George B. McClellan (Democratic)

1868: Horatio Seymour (Democratic)

1872: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican)

1876: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican)

1880: John W. Phelps (Anti-Masonic)

1884: James G. Blaine (Republican)

1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)

1892: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)

1896: John M. Palmer (National Democratic)

1900: William McKinley (Republican)

1904: Alton Parker (Democratic)

1908: William H. Taft (Republican)

1912: William H. Taft (Republican)

1916: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)

1920: Warren G. Harding (Republican)

1924: John W. Davis (Democratic)

1928: Herbert Hoover (Republican)

1932: Herbert Hoover (Republican)

1936: I am not going to vote for anyone.

1940: Roger Babson (Prohibition)

1944: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican)

1948: Harry S. Truman (Democratic)

1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican)

1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican)

1960: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)

1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)

1968: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)

1972: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)

1976: Gerald Ford (Republican)

1980: John B. Anderson (Independent)

1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican)

1988: George HW Bush (Republican)

1992: George HW Bush (Republican)

1996: Bill Clinton (Democratic)

2000: Al Gore (Democratic)

2004: George W. Bush (Republican)

2008: John McCain (Republican)

2012: Mitt Romney (Republican)

2016: Donald Trump (Republican)

2020: Donald Trump (Republican)

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

BEST V.P HANNIBAL HAMLIN

1. We must remain steadfast against the acquisition of new territories, and must combat the expansion of slavery to the extent permitted by the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision.
2. I'm proud to share a ballot with Hannibal Hamlin of Maine.
3. Campaigning in Illinois and not campaigning at all does nothing while campaigning nationally gives a debuff.
4. The Southern Democrats are an easy target for attack. We can excite our core voters while risking little, if we denounce them.
5. I see. We shall do our best in any case.
6. Douglas and his party are running on the failed, dishonest policy of popular sovereignty. I want the Republicans to point this out at every opportunity.
7. Don't attack the Constitutional Unionists.
8. Everybody wants a Transcontinental Railroad, and Republicans have supported this since the beginning.
9. Every party has political clubs and supporters. I'm proud that we have ours, and they will help drive us to victory in November.
10. Just don't support slavery being permanent.
11. Our party supports a high tariff and I'm proud of that fact. We need to emphasize this point during our campaign.
12. Both answers do nothing.
13. Attacking Dred Scott does nothing, but not going out against it gives a national debuff but does help in the border regions but those are likely out of reach.
14. The core belief of our party is that the federal territories should be settled by honest, free, hard-working men and their families. A homestead act would be right in line with this philosophy.
15. The fact that this is even under consideration as a demand shows how far beyond compromise the South has drifted.
16. We support the admission of Kansas as a free state, as soon as possible. (Same as the Dred Scott question)
17. The idea that we support social equality for blacks in society is a canard put down the Democrats, in a clumsy and transparent attempt to score political points.
18. I support the personal liberty laws, and would favor a repeal or scaling back of the Fugitive Slave Law.
19. Germans are a key part of our new party and our vote in the Midwest. Let's express our support for the current naturalization laws.
20. We oppose any effort to extend the current borders of the United States. They are plainly driven by the slave states.
21. Whatever our private feelings, we have no choice but to denounce such extralegal actions.
22. We will send overtures to Mr. Seward and invite him

Lore

President Tiermaker

18. Miles Romney, Reform/Bucktail, July 26, 1863 - incumbent | Vice President - Horatio Seymour, Bucktail, May 27, 1864 - incumbent

Reconciliation:

-Auralia also joined back into the US.

-Many soldiers loyal to the FRA and Auralia. were pardoned by President Romney, causing uproar in the south.

Domestic:

-Due to a lack of any actual fighting, America escaped economic downfall

-State Funding was once again given to Mormon churches, this time the justification being to escape persecution

-Queen Victoria also announced her official adoption of the Mormon religion, which soon spread to England.

-Bucktail Horatio Seymour, a war Bucktail who sided with the union against his own state of New York, was sworn in as Vice President after a senate confirmation

-First lady Elizabeth Gaskell Romney won the Ghana senate seat election, and was voted in as Reform party leader in the Senate

-The gold standard was officially abolished via a bill, and replaced with free silver

-Romney passed the “Homestead Act,” which gave farmland to many people in the Canadian prairies

-The states of Cheyenne (Montana/Wyoming territory), as well as Labrador (IOTL Labrador), were admitted to the union

-More bills were passed to try and quell racism across the country

Foreign:

-Romney continued Marijuana buybacks with Qing China.

-Romney hosted another GLI convention in NYC, announcing that America was coming back to the global stage after the four haunting years of the Bragg presidency

Party politics:

-The Reform party, after not getting as many votes as expected, joined the bucktails due to their many agreements. Miles Romney changed his affiliation to the Bucktails

Congressional Elections

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Say, Lincoln lives to serve his 2nd term. The Democratic Party still nominates Horatio Seymour but since he is unwilling to accept the party is unable to formally nominate anyone meaning the GOP stands unopposed. The republicans, having been able to carry out Reconstruction and accomplish more without Andrew Johnson around to muddy up the waters convene to look for a successor.

Lincoln is too ill to play favorites meaning the party is stuck between Hannibal Hamlin, Ulysses S. Grant and Charles Sumner.

Every 4 years, the American Presidency is put up for grabs. The race for the White House is usually a competitive and exciting journey, but every so often an election's result is decided before it begins. Here are some of the biggest recorded election victories.

Bear in mind that this only includes elections that were contested, so Washington's victories (1789 and 1792) and Monroe's second victory (1820) are excluded due to them being unopposed.

Please be civil. I'm just here to explain several elections from history while remaining as unbiased as possible.

1804: Thomas Jefferson was expected to easily win his re-election bid against his relatively unknown challenger, Charles Pinckney, but many were surprised by how overwhelming the victory was. Jefferson received 104,000 out of 140,000 votes (~73% of the popular vote) cast and won all but two states.

1808: Who better to challenge James Madison than the very same man who Jefferson demolished 4 years earlier? Pinckney performed better the second time, but Madison still received double the popular vote and 12 out of 17 states.

1816: James Monroe was a heavy favorite to win the presidency due to the dominance of the Democratic-Republican party and the rapid collapse of the Federalist Party. Monroe would ultimately obliterate Rufus King by winning all but 3 states and over double the popular vote.

1828: After the 1824 election, Andrew Jackson was determined to get his revenge on Quincy Adams who had seemingly won the last election due to a backroom deal. Adams' presidency was unsuccessful due to congressional gridlock. Jackson easily unseated him after another bitter election winning the popular vote by double digits and winning 178 electoral votes to Adams' 83.

1832: With Jackson's opposition split between three rival parties, and with strong support for his re-election, he easily won another term.

1840: President Martin Van Buren was blamed for the Panic of 1837 and the Whigs portrayed him as an elitist while portraying their candidate, war hero William Harrison as a common man. Ironically, he was actually richer than Van Buren, but this worked, so Harrison would go on to trounce Van Buren in the Electoral College. The popular vote was surprisingly close though. Harrison didn't get to enjoy his victory for long though.

1852: The election between Franklin Pierce and Winfield Scott was more about character than policy as both men agreed on most issues. Young and charismatic Pierce easily defeat

Who I would have voted for is represented in bold

1796 - George Washington (I/F) vs Thomas Jefferson (DR)

1808 - Thomas Jefferson (DR) vs Charles C. Pinckney (F)

1808b - Aaron Burr (DR) vs Rufus King (F) vs Elbridge Gerry (C)

1816 - James Madison (DR) vs Rufus King (F)

1824 - James Monroe (DR) vs John Quincy Adams (DR) vs William Crawford (DR)

1836 - Andrew Jackson (D) vs William Henry Harrison (W)

1844 - James K. Polk (D) vs Henry Clay (W) vs John Tyler (NDR)

1844b - William Henry Harrison (W) vs James K. Polk (D)

1848 - James K. Polk (D) vs Zachary Taylor (W) vs Martin van Buren (F-S)

1852 - Millard Fillmore (W) vs Franklin Pierce (D) vs John P. Hale (F-S)

1856 - Franklin Pierce (D) vs John C. Fremont (R) vs Millard Fillmore (KN) vs John Brown (F-S)

1860 - James Buchanan (D) vs Abraham Lincoln (R) vs John Bell (CU)

1864 - Abraham Lincoln (NU) vs George B. McClellan (D) vs John C. Fremont (RDP)

1868 - Andrew Johnson (D) vs Ulysses S. Grant (R)

1868b - Abraham Lincoln (R) vs Horatio Seymour (D) vs William Seward (C)

1876 - Ulysses S. Grant (R) vs Samuel Tilden (D) vs Jonathan Blanchard (A-M)

1880 - Rutherford B. Hayes (R) vs Winfield Scott Hancock (D)

1884 - Chester A. Arthur (R) vs Grover Cleveland (D)

1884b - James A. Garfield (R) vs Grover Cleveland (D)

1896 - Grover Cleveland (D) vs William McKinley (R) vs Thomas E. Watson (Populist)

1908 - Theodore Roosevelt (R) vs William Jennings Bryan (D)

1920 - Woodrow Wilson (D) vs Warren G. Harding (R)

1928 - Calvin Coolidge (R) vs Al Smith (D)

1948 - Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) vs Thomas E. Dewey (R)

1952 - Harry Truman (D) vs Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)

1960 - Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) vs John F. Kennedy (D)

1964 - John F. Kennedy (D) vs Barry Goldwater (R)

1964b - John F. Kennedy (D) vs Nelson Rockefeller (R)

1968 - Lyndon B. Johnson (D) vs Richard Nixon (R) vs George Wallace (AIP)

1976 - Richard Nixon (R) vs Jimmy Carter (D)

1976b - Ronald Reagan (R) vs Jimmy Carter (D)

1980 - Jimmy Carter (D) vs John Anderson (R)

1988 - Ronald Reagan (R) vs Michael Dukakis (D) vs Ron Paul (L)

1992 - Michael Dukakis (D) vs Pat Buchanan (R) vs John Anderson (I)

1996 - Bill Clinton (D) vs Colin Powell (R) vs Ross Perot (RF)

2000 - Bill Clinton (D) vs George W. Bush (R) vs Pat Buchanan (RF)

2008 - George W. Bush (R) vs Barack Obama (D)

2016 - Bara

The newly "revived" Republican Party chose their Candidate for the Presidency, Joshua Chamberlain, only a month ago. Now, the Democratic Party must chose their new nominee, since President Horatio Seymour has stated he shall not run for re-election. Seymour remains unpopular, due to the bad economy, and among other things. Still, the Democrats have hope to defeat Chamberlain and Hayes in November.

-Winfield Scott Hancock

𝘞𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘪𝘦𝘭𝘥 𝘚𝘤𝘰𝘵𝘵 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘤𝘬 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘧𝘪𝘨𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘥𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘞𝘢𝘳, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘢𝘵 𝘎𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘺𝘴𝘣𝘶𝘳𝘨, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦. 𝘏𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘞𝘢𝘳, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘴 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘚𝘦𝘺𝘮𝘰𝘶𝘳. 𝘋𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦. 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘤𝘬 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘸 𝘶𝘱 𝘢 𝘧𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘈𝘯𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘸 𝘑𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘴𝘰𝘯, 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘑𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘢𝘯. 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘤𝘬 𝘰𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘊𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭 𝘙𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘴 𝘚𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴' 𝘙𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘴. 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘮𝘰𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘷. 𝘚𝘪𝘭𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘥𝘦𝘣𝘢𝘵𝘦, 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘯𝘰 𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭, 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯. 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘴𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦r 𝘥𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦, 𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥: "𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦? 𝘖𝘩, 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭, 𝘐 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘰𝘯 𝘮𝘺 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘬, 𝘢𝘴 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘴 𝘮𝘺 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘪n 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘵, 𝘐 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦." 𝘉𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦, 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘺 𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘶𝘱 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘸𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘋𝘦𝘮𝘰𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘤 𝘗𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘣𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘴.

-Samuel J. Tilden

𝘚𝘢𝘮𝘶𝘦𝘭 𝘑. 𝘛𝘪𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘚𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘨𝘶𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘰 𝘙𝘦𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘑𝘰𝘩𝘯 𝘈𝘥𝘢𝘮𝘴 𝘋𝘪𝘹 𝘣𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘹𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘨𝘪𝘯. 𝘚𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯, 𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘱𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘧𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘶𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬, 𝘪𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘋𝘪𝘹. 𝘚𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭,

List of composers that ruined classical music

I hate and despise all of these individuals. They have subjected us to the worst cultural degeneracy. They are:

Petrus Abaelardus (1079 - 1142) Hildegard von Bingen (1098 - 1179) Pérotin Magister (c. 1155 - c. 1250) Léonin Magister (fl. c. 1150 - 1201?) Philippe Le Chancelier (c. 1165 - 1236) Walter von Der Vogelweide (c. 1170 - c. 1230) Alfonso X "El Sabio" (1221 - 1284) Philippe de Vitry (1291 - 1361) Pierre Des Molins (fl. c. 1375) Ghirardello da Firenza (fl. c. 1375) Lorenzo da Firenza (fl. c. 1375) Jacopo da Bologna (fl. c. 1375) Guillaume de Machaut (c. 1300 - 1377) Francesco Landini (1325 - 1397) Pycard (fl. c. 1390) Franchois Lebertoul (fl. c. 1400) Johannes Ciconia (c. 1335 - 1411) Early Renaissance - 15th Century

Leonel Power (? - 1445) Walter Frye (fl. c. 1450) John Dunstable (c. 1380 - 1453) Guillaume Dufay (1400 - 1474) Johannes Brassart (c. 1405 - c. 1450) John Browne (? - 1498) Johannes Ockeghem (1420 - 1497) Antoine Busnoys (1430 - 1492) Richard Hygons (c. 1435 - c. 1509) Josquin Des Préz (1440 - 1521) Alexander Agricola (c. 1446 - 1506) Edmund Turges (c. 1450 - ?) Walter Lambe (c. 1450 - after 1499) Robert Wylkynson (c. 1450 - 1515 or later) Heinrich Isaac (c. 1450 - 1517) Jacob Obrecht (1457 or 1458 - 1505) Jean Mouton (1459 - 1522) Gijon (fl. c. 1460 - 1500) Francisco de la Torre (fl. c. 1460 - 1500) Juan de Triana (fl. c. 1460 - 1500) Antoine Brumel (c. 1460 - c. 1515) Pierre de la Rue (1460 - 1518) Robert Fayrfax (1464 - 1521) Richard Davy (c. 1465 - c. 1507) William Cornysh (c. 1465 - 1523) Juan Del Encina (1468 - 1529) High Renaissance - 16th Century

Francisco de Penalosa (1470 - 1528) Luis de Narvaez (fl. c. 1540) Giovanni Battista Conforti (fl. c. 1550) Jean l'Heritier (1480 - 1552) Gasparo Alberti (c. 1480 - c. 1560) Robert Carver (1484 - 1568) Nicholas Ludford (1485 - 1557) Clement Janequin (1485 - 1558) Ludwig Senfl (c. 1486 - c. 1543) Costanzo Festa (c. 1490 - 1545) John Taverner (c. 1490 - 1545) Nicolas Gombert (c. 1490 - c. 1556) Adrian Willaert (c. 1490 - 1562) Francesco da Milano (1497 - 1543) Heliodoro de Paiva (c. 1500 - 1552) Philippe Verdelot (c. 1500 - before 1552) Christóbal de Morales (c. 1500 - 1553) Marco da l'Aquila (fl. c. 1505 - 1555) Jacques Arcadelt (1505 - 1568) Christopher Tye (c. 1505 - 1572) Thomas Tallis (c. 1505 - 1585) Bálint Bakfark (1507 - 1576) Johannes Lupi (1510 - 1539) Jacobus Clemens Non Papa (c. 1510 or 1515 - c. 1555 or 1556) Guillaume Morlaye (

To preserve the institution of slavery and to maintain the doctrine of states' rights, South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas seceded from the Union and formed a confederacy named the “The Confederate States of America.” Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri all had prominent secession movements that failed. Through the combined leadership of President Nathaniel P. Banks, Secretary of War Abraham Lincoln and Commanding General Robert E. Lee the Union has found easy victories in the war. Originally the Confederate capital was located in Montgomery, Alabama but General Lee’s aggressive military strategies succeeded with the capture of the city, the capitol was then moved to New Orleans. As of 1858, the Union has military districts in the states of Alabama and Georgia.

The Know Nothings, or the American Republican Party which is the official name of the party after the merger with the Republican Party, are campaigning almost exclusively on the successes the country has found in the war. They argue that with a Know Nothing Congress, as opposed to the plurality they currently hold, they will be able to fully support President Banks with the war. The Know Nothings support a nativist immigration policy, especially championing the proposed Irish Exclusion Act which would prevent immigration from Ireland and would set quotas on the number of immigrants from predominantly Catholic countries. Though the Know Nothings are an explicitly nativist party, some Know Nothings, from the Republican faction, range from neutral on immigration to pro immigration, this group is led by Thaddeus Stevens. A faction of Know Nothings are campaigning on supporting President Banks in pursuing various reforms such as a 12 cent minimum wage and an 8 hour work day. Other issues supported by the Know Nothings are protective tariffs and internal improvements. Please tell me if you support the Labor Faction (nativist and pro worker) or the Republican Faction (anti nativist and against minimum wage and 8 hour work day)

The Democrats seek to revitalize their party after their monumental loss in the 1856 election. The Democrats are divided between the Peace Democrats and the War Democrats. The War Democrats support the war effort against the Confederacy, they are led by Senator Andrew Johnson from Tennessee. The Peace Democrats support an immediate peace settlement with the Confederacy; they are led by

I don't want to step on anybody's toes here, but the amount of non-dad jokes here in this subreddit really annoys me. First of all, dad jokes CAN be NSFW, it clearly says so in the sub rules. Secondly, it doesn't automatically make it a dad joke if it's from a conversation between you and your child. Most importantly, the jokes that your CHILDREN tell YOU are not dad jokes. The point of a dad joke is that it's so cheesy only a dad who's trying to be funny would make such a joke. That's it. They are stupid plays on words, lame puns and so on. There has to be a clever pun or wordplay for it to be considered a dad joke.

Again, to all the fellow dads, I apologise if I'm sounding too harsh. But I just needed to get it off my chest.

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This is the sixty seventh edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been if Ross Perot never dropped out, bucked the system and won as the first third party candidate in American history!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/jw

This is the sixty fourth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been if Michael Dukakis did not climb into that tank!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. Lewis Cass (1848): 2.

This is the sixty sixth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been if George HW Bush clinched reelection!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. Lewis Cass (1848): 2.2
18. [Mart

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President Tiermaker

18. Miles Romney, Reform/Bucktail, July 26, 1863 - incumbent | Vice President - Horatio Seymour, Bucktail, May 27, 1864 - incumbent

Reconciliation:

-Auralia also joined back into the US.

-Many soldiers loyal to the FRA and Auralia. were pardoned by President Romney, causing uproar in the south.

Domestic:

-Due to a lack of any actual fighting, America escaped economic downfall

-State Funding was once again given to Mormon churches, this time the justification being to escape persecution

-Queen Victoria also announced her official adoption of the Mormon religion, which soon spread to England.

-Bucktail Horatio Seymour, a war Bucktail who sided with the union against his own state of New York, was sworn in as Vice President after a senate confirmation

-First lady Elizabeth Gaskell Romney won the Ghana senate seat election, and was voted in as Reform party leader in the Senate

-The gold standard was officially abolished via a bill, and replaced with free silver

-Romney passed the “Homestead Act,” which gave farmland to many people in the Canadian prairies

-The states of Cheyenne (Montana/Wyoming territory), as well as Labrador (IOTL Labrador), were admitted to the union

-More bills were passed to try and quell racism across the country

Foreign:

-Romney continued Marijuana buybacks with Qing China.

-Romney hosted another GLI convention in NYC, announcing that America was coming back to the global stage after the four haunting years of the Bragg presidency

Party politics:

-The Reform party, after not getting as many votes as expected, joined the bucktails due to their many agreements. Miles Romney changed his affiliation to the Bucktails

This is the sixty second edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been John Anderson rallying Rockefeller conservatives and moderate liberals together in a rebuke of both Reagan and Carter!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments

This is the sixty first edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Jimmy Carter fending off Reagan, or Anderson and Reagan further splitting the vote, in the face of an Oil Crisis and Hostage Crisis!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neolib

This is the fifty eighth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been a total rebuke of civil rights with George Wallace rallying white supremacists to win in 1968!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/jw322n/how_would_you_ra

This is the sixty third edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Walter Mondale magically winning the 1984 election!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. Lewis Cass (1848):

This is the fifty ninth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been George McGovern beating Richard Nixon!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. Lewis Cass (1848): 2.2
18. [Mart

This is the sixtieth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Gerald Ford holding onto the White House in the wake of Watergate!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/jw322n/how_would_you_rate_the_hypothetical_presidency_o

1789: Washington

1792: Washington

1796: Adams

1800: Adams

1804: Jefferson

1808: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney

1812: Dewitt Clinton

1816: Rufus King.

1820: Monroe

1824: Henry Clay

1828: Jackson

1832: William Wirt

1836: Daniel Webster

1840: William Henry Harrison

1844: Henry Clay

1848: Martin Van Buren

1852: Winfield Scott

1856: Millard Fillmore

1860: John Bell

1864: Lincoln

1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Grant

1876: Samuel Tilden

1880: Winfield Hancock

1884: Grover Cleveland

1888: Grover Cleveland

1892: James B Weaver

1896: William McKinley

1900: William McKinley

1904: Alton B. Parker

1908: Taft

1912: Taft

1916: Hughes

1920: James M. Cox

1924: Robert M. La Follette

1928: Al Smith

1932: Hoover

1936: Roosevelt

1940: Roosevelt

1944: Roosevelt

1948: Truman

1952: Stevenson

1956: Eisenhower

1960: Kennedy

1964: LBJ

1968: Nixon

1972: McGovern

1976: Ford

1980: Carter

1984: Reagan

1988: Dukakis

1992: Bush

1996: Clinton

2000: Gore

2004: Bush

2008: McCain

2012: Obama

2016: Trump

2020: Trump

1789: Washington

1792: Washington

1796: Adams

1800: Adams

1804: Jefferson

1808: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney

1812: Dewitt Clinton

1816: Rufus King.

1820: Monroe

1824: Henry Clay

1828: Jackson

1832: William Wirt

1836: Daniel Webster

1840: William Henry Harrison

1844: Henry Clay

1848: Martin Van Buren

1852: Winfield Scott

1856: Millard Fillmore

1860: John Bell

1864: Lincoln

1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Grant

1876: Samuel Tilden

1880: Winfield Hancock

1884: Grover Cleveland

1888: Grover Cleveland

1892: James B Weaver

1896: William McKinley

1900: William McKinley

1904: Alton B. Parker

1908: Taft

1912: Taft

1916: Hughes

1920: James M. Cox

1924: Robert M. La Follette

1928: Al Smith

1932: Hoover

1936: Roosevelt

1940: Roosevelt

1944: Roosevelt

1948: Truman

1952: Stevenson

1956: Eisenhower

1960: Kennedy

1964: LBJ

1968: Nixon

1972: McGovern

1976: Ford

1980: Carter

1984: Reagan

1988: Dukakis

1992: Bush

1996: Clinton

2000: Gore

2004: Bush

2008: McCain

2012: Obama

2016: Trump

2020: Trump

This is the fifty sixth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Barry Goldwater using a wave of anger from the Civil Rights Act to end up in the Oval Office!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/jw322n/how_would_you_rate

This is the fifty seventh edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Hubert Humphrey beating Nixon in perhaps one of the most important elections in modern American history!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/jw322n/how_w

This is the fifty fourth edition of my hypothetical presidential polling series. Use your alternative goggles to ponder what could have been Richard Nixon squeaking out a win and maintaining Republican leadership in a time of growing domestic and international crisis!

1. Thomas Jefferson (1796): 3.3
2. John Adams (1800): 2.6
3. Charles Pinckney (1804): 2.8
4. Charles Pinckney (1808): 2.4
5. DeWitt Clinton (1812): 3.5
6. Rufus King (1816): 3.4
7. Andrew Jackson (1824): 1.6
8. William Crawford (1824): 2.8
9. Henry Clay (1824): 3.4
10. John Quincy Adams (1828): 3.4
11. Henry Clay (1832): 3.4
12. William Wirt (1832): 3.6
13. William Henry Harrison (1836): 3.0
14. Hugh White (1836): 2.9
15. Martin Van Buren (1840): 2.6
16. Henry Clay (1844): 3.5
17. [Lewis Cass](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal