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More progress on the Marain reboot! We have now published glyphs for numerals. Interesting in helping? DM me for Alien stuff or see our GitHub project page for full details -> https://github.com/lyferise/marain
Numbers are the only real universal language. The decimal system on Earth has been propagated even more widely than the Phoenician alphabet and has now become the only real universal language on the planet. Every human on Earth who can read understands how to read the same decimal digits, regardless of their culture or origin.
Hindu-Arabic numerals are the set of ten symbols that represent numerals in the decimal number system. They originated in India in the 6th or 7th century and were introduced to Europe by Islamic mathematicians, especially the Persian polymath al-Khwarizmi, the founder of algebra, and hence the father of all modern mathematics, science and programming found on the planet today. At it's core, coding is just another form of algebra or calculus.
Decimal numbers in Marain are written from right to left using the digits shown above. The names of numerals from zero to nine in Tonal Marain are the same as in Mandarin Chinese. However, the subsequent numbering system does not follow Mandarin, only the digit names are used.
Fibonaci is credited for bringing the Hindu Arabic numeral system to Europe. I have read in sources that he learned it "from the arabs" and another one claiming "in Algeria". Is there any authoritative evidence of where sepcifically he learned it, which schools, which scholars etc? I am just really curious as to who exactly were these Arab scholars he learned it from, if scholars at all, or did he just learn about it "casually" by interacting in societies using the system? While we are at it, what are the sources and opinions from authoritative scholars regarding how the Numeral system was brought from India to the Arabic civilization. One source I have heard claims it was Syriac Christians, another claimed Persians. Do we have any authoritative evidence at all, or is it an issue of dispute?
Dear all,
recently I have watched a short video on how Europe transitioned from the Roman numeral system system to the Hindu-arabic numeral. The gist of it was that the roman numeral system was simply ill-suited for the requirements of the medieval merchants in Italy and given the convincing work of Fibonacci, who demonstrated the superiority of Hindu-arabic numeral, the change came into motion (here is the video in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PxXpDH8-2A).
I am dissatisfied with this approach, as all it does, is to say, that Hindu-arabic numeral system is superior but does not demonstrate how it is superior, or which difficulties did one have using the Roman numerals, that one did not have with the Hindu-arabic numerals.
Can someone who is well read in the topic perhaps give me a few examples?
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From what I understand, the modern numeral system that includes the number zero is called the "Hindu-Arabic numerals" because it was invented by the Hindus/Indians but was popularized by the Arabs who spread it throughout the rest of the world. So it was mistakenly thought of as "Arabic numerals" for a long time.
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I wondered how the Hindu-Arabic numerals gained quick acceptance in Europe and East Asia. Why is it this case with numbers but we cannot easily replace letters and scripts, like the Cyrillic, Hangul, Katakana-Hiragana and Chinese scripts. The Europeans for example, used Latin numerals and the East Asians, I don't know.
What was the reaction of the peoples in having the traditional and old number system being replaced with another? Well, we're not going to replace our alphabet just because we find another that works better?
Most of the world uses Hindu-Arabic numerals that evolved over time from their original form to the symbols we know today:
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9
These are also referred to referred to as "Western Arabic" as distinct from the "Eastern Arabic" or Arabic-Hindu numerals (Ψ£ΩΨ±ΩΩΩΨ§Ω ΩΩΩΩΨ―ΩΩΩΩΨ©):
Ω Ω‘Ω’Ω£Ω€Ω₯Ω¦Ω§Ω¨Ω©
This diagram, copied in many histories of maths texts such as Eves, Katz, and Boyer shows the split occurring, but I've never understood:
- Why both numeral systems co-evolved
- Continue to be used to this day
Could you share academic books or articles that would help me to understand this evolution? Preferably in English because my Arabic is limited to Google Translate.
Any help?
From this Crusader Kings 3 comment and the surrounding discussion.
And while it's clearly made in jest in the game, how effective would a substitution cipher swapping letters for Arabic numbers representing their positions in the alphabetical order have been in the game's time frame (867-1453 it's a bit of a wide frame, sorry if that's too open-ended)?
The story behind Arabic numerals, as I understand it, is that they were originally invented in India for the usefulness in math, adopted by the Arabs near the start of the Islamic Golden Era for the same reason, and then later adopted by Europeans.
I have two questions: 1) Is my understanding of the events correct?
2) If so, what was used by the Arabs prior to their adoption of Arabic numerals, if anything at all?
for no reason on my system (on a couple of programs), there is Arabic numerals (like this>Ω‘Ω₯.Ω Ω <) especially in their settings options > example.
in Settings > Languages, everything (Language, Region, and Time Format ) is set to English - United States.
Properties | Linux Mint 20 cinnamon (downloaded server = International)
Solved | I have changed the region from my country to the US. However due to some important projects on my system I didn't restart it after switching. Now I did, it got resolved. Thanks for everyone's advice.
the first that comes to mind is Roman numerals, but what else have/do people use?
Should We Teach Children Arabic Numerals in School?
I can find discussions, without sources, claiming it is because they were afraid that the public would find it too easy to use, while others say it was easier to forge.
Besides the fact 1 looks like I, both forms of numbers consider multiples of 10 as significant, like how roman numerals have X as 10, C as 100 and M as 1000 (although I know Roman numerals have letters for 50 and 500 etc), and that every 10, 100 etc is an increase in the number of digits a number has, is there any relationship between the creation of Hindu Arabic numerals and Roman numerals, with one influencing the other in some way, or why is it our brains seem to consider 10s, 100s as significant, why not 13s or 7s, if they just so happen to be coincidental. Is there any other forms of numbers that apply other numbers as more significant in this aspect. Like, a form of numbers that increases it's number of digits every 7 times.
Also, why would Western change to this more foriegn system?
First, let's acknowledge that there are other number systems around the world that people are using. To my knowledge the Arabic-Hindu system is understood and used by everyone. According to Wikipedia and it was spread around the world by Europeans and that takes care of the question of "how".
Here is my question, how come Hindu-Arabic numeral system was adopted by most cultures?
While Europeans influenced the places they colonized/traded with in many ways, the numeral have managed to infiltrate and become rooted in the local cultures more then language, religion or any other cultural customs.
My own explanation is that numeral system was needed for trade and was standardized to make things easier. I am very curious to find out what you guys think.
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More progress on the Marain reboot! We have now published glyphs for numerals. Interesting in helping? DM me for Alien stuff or see our GitHub project page for full details -> https://github.com/lyferise/marain
Numbers are the only real universal language. The decimal system on Earth has been propagated even more widely than the Phoenician alphabet and has now become the only real universal language on the planet. Every human on Earth who can read understands how to read the same decimal digits, regardless of their culture or origin.
Hindu-Arabic numerals are the set of ten symbols that represent numerals in the decimal number system. They originated in India in the 6th or 7th century and were introduced to Europe by Islamic mathematicians, especially the Persian polymath al-Khwarizmi, the founder of algebra, and hence the father of all modern mathematics, science and programming found on the planet today. At it's core, coding is just another form of algebra or calculus.
Decimal numbers in Marain are written from right to left using the digits shown above. The names of numerals from zero to nine in Tonal Marain are the same as in Mandarin Chinese. However, the subsequent numbering system does not follow Mandarin, only the digit names are used.
