To what extent is Western civilisation more intimately tied to Greco-Roman tradition than Islamic culture?

One of the defining characters of Western civilisation is that it largely seen to derive from Greco-Roman culture, after all, Greece and Rome are often considers the โ€œcradles of western civilisationโ€.

However, you could argue that Islamic (north Africa/ levant/Mesopotamia/ Anatolian) civilisations also heavily drew on Greco Roman tradition. The Islamic renaissance scholars studied, preserved and built on classical texts just as westerners would. Many mosques are architecturally very similar or heavily influenced by Greco-Roman architecture. Indeed, many Islamic peoples were descendants of Roman citizens (eg North Africa, Egypt, levant and Anatolia).

Perhaps a difference is perspective. Historically Islamic empires have always seen the Romans as โ€œotherโ€, by contrast Rome was put on a pedestal in Europe with different empires trying to claim they were its successors (eg Holy Roman Empire, โ€œ3rd Romeโ€ in Russia). Another difference I can see is the Islamic cultures shunned the figurative artistic traditions in favour or geometric patterns. Also, to my knowledge, they didnโ€™t build on theatre as an art form.

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Who would win, a Greco-Roman style culture, or a Medieval Germano-Celtic style culture. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE POST, and help me write some history. Thank you.

I am working on the History of the interactions between 2 cultures in my setting. One is Greco-Roman, the other is Germano-Celtic. These two groups come into conflict around the "dark ages" of the setting, what would in our time be somewhere around 600AD.

I would like some help comparing these two groups, particularly their military styles, so to do this I will present each group in brief detail, focusing mainly on their military organization and how each one deals with threats, then I will elaborate the Historical and Environmental context. Then I would like you to analyze them, and take a shot at guessing how they would interact in conflict with one another, who would win, how they would win, and how hard a fight it would be.

The Empire of Andolan

Andolan is our Greco-Roman culture, while called an empire due to historical reasons, it is actually a confederation of city states united by a shared culture, and a shared atheistic philosophy that they united under in past centuries. They various city states manage their own affairs for the most part, even maintaining their own armies, but as part of the "empire" they all fund, support, and recruit for a unified military called "the Brass Legion" This unified military was, until recently, the preeminent military force on the continent.

The Brass legion is a standing army that is always at least 500 men strong, usually far more. They are led by Princips, generals, first of whom is the Kiasar, the military ruler of the Empire of Andolan. The senate votes each year to decide how large the Brass Legion will be by appointing a certain number of Princips, each of whom is to maintain a force of 500 legionnaires and answer to the Kiasar. The Brass legion is a highly structured military reliant on the expansive logistical system within the City States of Andolan, Ranks are expanded as needed the larger the military grows at any given time. Princips can be promoted to Pretors by the Kiasar to preside over a force of 5000. The Brass Legion has numbered between 10000 and 350000 at various points in its history. It is important to note, the Brass legion is NOT an occupying force or a defensive army, they exist to prosecute wars, and each city state maintains an army of their own. These local forces can very widely

A brass Legionary in the time period in question would be armed with a shirt of chainmail, a gladius, a tall concave oval shield, an early style Barbute helmet, closed and reinforced boots, and a Pi

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'The Origins of Early Christian Literature: Contextualizing the New Testament within Greco-Roman Literary Culture,' Robyn Faith Walsh, Jan 2021

'Conventional approaches to the Synoptic gospels argue that the gospel authors acted as literate spokespersons for their religious communities. Whether described as documenting intra-group 'oral traditions' or preserving the collective perspectives of their fellow Christ-followers, these writers are treated as something akin to the Romantic poet speaking for their Volk - a questionable framework inherited from nineteenth-century German Romanticism.

In this book, Robyn Faith Walsh argues that the Synoptic gospels were written by elite cultural producers working within a dynamic cadre of literate specialists, including persons who may or may not have been professed Christians. Comparing a range of ancient literature, her ground-breaking study demonstrates that the gospels are creative works produced by educated elites interested in Judean teachings, practices, and paradoxographical subjects in the aftermath of the Jewish War and in dialogue with the literature of their age. Walsh's study thus bridges the artificial divide between research on the Synoptic gospels and Classics.'

://www.cambridge.org/core/books/origins-of-early-christian-literature/7045231884D4F5AC8625F890E945BB8A

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Working on a stage, inspired by Greco-Roman Culture for our platform fighter game. It's still early, but I already love the way it looks, can't wait to improve more! Any feedback is really appreciated! v.redd.it/ho98tgkd8oe61
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Greco Roman x Victorian culture mashup?

I had this random idea the other day. I'm building a kingdom that was originally just Greco Roman inspired but I want to try and mix Victorian into it. It sounds odd but i want to see if I can do it Any instances in which this has been done? If you can't think of any, do you have any input on the idea?

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Working on new stage influenced by Greco-Roman culture. It's still in early work in progress, but I already love the way it looks, can't wait to improve the looks more! Any feedback is really appreciated! v.redd.it/k2btovwl9he61
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Working on new stage influenced by Greco-Roman culture. It's still in early work in progress, but I already love the way it looks, can't wait to improve the looks more! Any feedback is really appreciated! v.redd.it/k2btovwl9he61
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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/RizeUpStudio
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Authright doggo says return to Greco-Roman culture.
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Any great books about how classical philosophy and Greco-Roman culture are still relevant in the modern world and can be used to solve today's problems?
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What would a Muslim scholar from the Islamic golden age think about Greco-Roman culture?

As far as I know (I may be wrong), the preservation of ancient Greek ideas (or at least Aristotle's) was, among many others, a major contribution of Islamic culture. Apart from that preservation function, what would (for example) a scholar from Baghdad or Cordoba think about the works, beliefs and other cultural details of Greeks and Romans?

Thank you very much in advance.

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Shame in Greco-Roman Culture

Could someone please point me to some resources that discuss the concept of shame versus guilt in Greco-Roman culture in the 1st and 2nd centuries or around that time period? For those early followers of Jesus, it seems that shame versus guilt would have played an important role in reckoning with sin and the teachings of Judaism, especially in its messianic form with regards to Jesus.

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/scrwbll19
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Today we have the "Nuclear Family", ancient Romans had the Paterfamilias, but what kind of family structure would Greco-Roman era Israelite Jesus Christ have lived in? How were families in his culture organized?

I've been watching The Bible Reloaded recently, and the more I watch, the more I notice how strange Jesus's relationship with this father/mother/brother(s?) is. What they do/don't expect from him in a given situation seems odd, and the way he responds to them is also vary odd. From this I get the hint that these strange qualities arise from him living in a vary different family structure than I, but I can't find any information about it and I'm just curious if any of y'all could educate me on this a bit. Educate me on how people in Jesus's culture organized themselves.

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/TirousDidAThing
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The shophet was an executive in Semitic-speaking cultures, such as Hebrew tribe judges, Phoenician assembly leaders, and Carthaginian consuls. Monarchical misnomers, like basileus and rex, confused the Western written record, so inscriptional evidence proved the office's Greco-Roman republicanism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoโ€ฆ
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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/DudeAbides101
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Do we know what people thought about the moon coming out during the day? Im especially curious about greco-roman mythology considering their god helios. Although I appreciate information on any culture.
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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/Water2028
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The new Pokรฉmon region in Gen 8 should be based off of Greco-Roman culture.

I'm really surprised that they haven't made a Greco-Roman-styled region yet. It'd be perfect!

Think about it: coliseum battling, polytheistic beliefs, the belief that the gods actually dwell on the earth, the fascination with science and philosophy... The professor could even look just like Aristotle or Plato! They could seriously get a lot of mileage out of this as opposed like, the North American east coast or France or Hawaii.

What do you think?

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/LorenzTheAnnihilator
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What factors limited the adoption of written language in cultures exposed to ancient Greco-Roman culture?

Or put another way, why don't we have non-Greco-Roman written sources?

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/Djiti-djiti
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Did Greco-Roman culture view women as deceitful?
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Did the Greco/Roman/Hebrew culture of the New Testament period believe in miracles to the point of influencing the miraculous claims of the NT? Are there concurrent writings claiming miracles outside the NT? The Gospel authors write as if they were first hand witnesses to the miracles professed...

Can you help me out while Iโ€™m making an honest inquiry into the truth claims of Christianity?

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/HappyAnti
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If women in ancient Rome and (at least in Athens) especially Greece were to dress incredibly conservatively, why do we have so much art depicting a kind of "Casual Public Exposure" in Greco-Roman culture? (examples in post's body, btw)

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

PS. Before you ask, I know these paintings were far removed from the cultures they depict. My question is about why lasses in these bits of art are always casually showing us their tits, regardless of whether an answer is found with these pretty lasses' cultures, their artistic depictors, or some amalgam.

edit: lol, it keeps making the flair "Mail and Stamps", don't know why, help!

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My high school world history teacher claimed that the concept of free will was "invented" during the rise of Christianity, while the previous Greco Roman culture put more stock in the concept of "Fate." Is this in any way true? reddit.com/r/AskHistorianโ€ฆ
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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/HistAnsweredBot
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Did Greco-Roman culture in the Middle East and North Africa have an effect (culturally, linguistically, religiously, etc.) on the Arab and Turkish cultures that replaced them?

As an example of the sort of thing I'm wondering about, I recently had a shower thought where I realized that the Arabic word "emir" sounds like it could have derived from the Latin "imperator".

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The Velletri Sarcophagus, a Roman artifact of the mid-second century CE, reflects a tri-cultural synthesis of Greco-Asiatic art, with an ornately hyper-realistic roof and painstaking figural intricacy. It boasts sixty sculpted humans and forty-three animals. Scenes emphasize escapes from Hades.
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Western civilization belongs to Greco-Roman culture sphere. East-Asian civilization belongs to Chinese culture sphere. What sphere does sub-Saharan Africa belong to?

We in the west from Europe (including Russia) to Americas still study ancient Roman and Greek history & philosophy, and our societies and ideas are shaped greatly by those two.

In the east from Malaysia to Mongolia to Japan people similarly study ancient Chinese history & philosophy, having societies and ideas greatly shaped by China.

I started wondering if sub-Saharan Africa has similar sphere of its own, drawing from some great and advanced historical nation which has influenced common African thought and society to this day.

EDIT: I take this topic answered and conclude that no, sub-Saharan Africa lacks a common greater cultural sphere.

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Neropoli, A Greco-Roman City I've Been Working on reddit.com/gallery/nzmg3w
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What Greco-Roman monsters has Riordan not used?

I mean, it's got to be most of them, right? I mean, he's done, what, more than 12 books? And he's reรผsed some, like the minotaur which we've seen twice. Are there any left, that, say, a fanfiction author could use if they don't want to just rehash the source material?

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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/thomasp3864
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The Yingpan Man is a 4th-5th century CE Tarim mummy, of a caucasian male who was likely a wealthy Sogdian merchant. He was discovered with a white mask with a golden diadem, a woolen caftan with Greco-Roman motifs, a pair of embroidered pants, and a pair of boots ornamented with gold [355x1024]
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Having read about how normal homosexual relationships were in greco roman culture and history, where and when did the homosexual condemnation begin? reddit.com/r/AskHistorianโ€ฆ
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[JP][NEWS] Greco Roman 1 Pantheon Equips! pad.protic.site/new-assisโ€ฆ
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The marginalization of women in Anglican cultural traditions actually comes from the pagan Greco-Roman world, and not the Christian church
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Karam Gaber | The Greco-Roman Beast 2x Gold Medalist v.redd.it/7o1wrjzj0q771
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What was the Christian attitude towards Greco-Roman culture?
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How much influence did Greco-Roman culture have on Judaism?

I've read recently that Jewish people under the Seleucids and Romans often were obligated to participate in pagan festivals, and Tacitus assumed based on the music of pipes and drums, ivy crowns, and the golden vine at the temple that their god was some form of Dionysus, specifically Liber Pater.

Given that this interaction had been going on for at least a century or two by the time of Jesus' birth, how much of an impact do you think this had on Judaism in general?

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What were hallmark masculine traits during the Greco-Roman era? How did these change as politics and culture changed?
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The Velletri Sarcophagus, a Roman artifact of the mid-second century CE, reflects a tri-cultural synthesis of Greco-Asiatic art, with an ornately hyper-realistic roof and painstaking figural intricacy. It boasts sixty sculpted humans and forty-three animals. Scenes emphasize escapes from Hades.
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What if Greco-Roman religion, culture, and philosophy developed without the interruption of Christianity?

Interactions with Germanic and Middle Eastern cultures would still occur. What would be different? What would be the same?

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Marble head of โ€˜Dionysosโ€™, the Greco-Roman god of wine, with his head wreathed in grape vines. Roman, 2nd century AD. Detail of the statue displayed in the British Museum. #Bacchus (1080x1349)
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A bi coloured Greco-Roman styled temple I made a few months ago, really happy with it. Happy Pride Month! reddit.com/gallery/o9wcmf
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๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ u/SomeGeek1738
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Is there any explication why Night Elf architecture varies between East-Asian, and Greco-Roman ?
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Was the Greco/Roman/Hebrew culture of the New Testament period superstitious to the point of influencing the miraculous claims of the NT? Is there concurrent evidence of the same types of claims outside the NT? How much does that factor in when trying to access whether NT claims are reliable?
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