TDIH: March 20, 1848, German revolutions of 1848–49: King Ludwig I of Bavaria abdicates. Photo: Ludwig I of Bavaria, c. 1860.
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TDIH: May 3, 1849, The May Uprising in Dresden begins. It was the last of the German revolutions of 1848–49.
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Explain World War 1 like it is 1918 and you are a 90 year old Austrian man who rebelled in the German revolutions of 1848–49
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TIL that German-born soldiers made up about 10% of Union forces during the Civil War. Some of them were exiled supporters of the 1848 revolutions that swept Europe. After the war, the Forty-Eighters supported improved labor laws, and also advanced development in education, medicine, and journalism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For…
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On the German States and the Revolutions of 1848-49

In developing my timeline, I find myself stumped as to how my PoD will affect the Revolutions of 1848 as they happen in the German states, so I am asking for peoples' opinions and help. But first, let me lay a little groundwork.

In OTL, Britain started to withdraw from intervening in Europe and participation in the Concert of Europe and by the the time of the Troppau Conference it didn't even send a plenipotentiary, just an observer. France, in spite of having been readmitted to Great Power status by the maneuverings of Talleyrand and de Richelieu, was still rather unfocused and also did not send a plenipotentiary to Troppau.

But what if they had? What France and Britain had stayed more interested in the Concert of Europe and it's initial goal of keep the balance of power and preventing another Napoleonic event?

I won't go into the entire timeline, but the TLDR is that Britain and France tell Austria "hands off Italy" in response to Two Sicilies' call for help in 1820 (because of the Habsburgs' known desire for rule there) and Prussia, in spite of nominally being Austria's friend as part of the Holy Alliance goes along with it because of the intra-German rivalry.

This leads to a tit-for-tat "don't you dare intervene" in most cases in the ensuing decades and the smaller countries change their games accordingly as one would expect since they were always playing the Five Great Powers off against each other anyways.

A summary of the differences is:

  • liberal constitutions retained in the Two Sicilies and Piedmont-Sardinia because of no Austrian intervention (1821)
  • Austrian and French accession is necessary in problems in Spain (1st Carlist War) and Belgium (Revolution) and to get it Viscount Palmerston of Britain is forced to accede to Austrian intervention in the Italian duchy of Parma where the Austrian Emperor's daughter Marie Louise rules and the Duchy of Modena where the Habsburg cadet branch of Austria-Este rules, and to allowing the first choice for king of the Belgian Congress, Louis, Duke of Nemours, second son of the French King Louis Philippe (1831)
  • lacking intervention outlets in Europe, the new OrlΓ©anist monarchy gives the cash-strapped Republic of Texas a badly needed loan to ensure influence in the New World (1839)
  • Duke Charles Augustus II of Augustenborg is named heir to Frederik VI of Denmark in exchange for dropping his supported revolution in Schleswig-Holstein after the Prussians are pressured out of helping him (1848)
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The German Empire after the Revolution of 1848
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"Serious and Firm Stance of the Kings" by Andreas Achenbach, 1849 [German Revolution of 1848/49, Caricature]
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1917: What if instead of taking on anti-German sentiment, the U.S. began a major Pro-German recruitment campaign based off propaganda inspired by the 1848 revolutions? /r/AlternateHistory/comme…
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1917: What if instead of taking on anti-German sentiment, the U.S. began a major Pro-German recruitment campaign based off propaganda inspired by the 1848 revolutions?

Germans made up the largest immigrant minority in the united states during the 18th and 19th centuries, particularly after the failed South German revolution of 1848, which lead many more democratic Germans to flee for the U.S., fight for the union in the civil war and support pro-abolition and workers rights legislation. German communities maintaining their language, culture and customs were found from Pennsylvania to the Dakotas to Texas.

However much of this cultural identity was suppressed or phased out following the sinking of the Lusitania, the Zimmerman Telegram and the U.S. entry into the Great War, despite German immigrants and German Americans preferring neutrality over support for the German monarchy. This was intensified by magnitudes following WWII, leading to the more Anglo-centric cultural influences being dominant across the 20th century.

But what if in 1917 following U.S. entry into the war, instead of isolating and discriminating against their largest immigrant minority, the U.S. tried to recruit German American citizens to fight what they deemed the 'illegitimate' German government? That this was the opportunity to continue the revolution against 'royal tyranny' that their ancestors bravely fought back in 1848, linking their struggles to the American revolution and their fight for democracy and encouraging them to 'take back Germany'.

So how well would this recruitment strategy work? What would be the reaction to the public of German Americans and immigrants being portrayed as long suffering victims of their new enemies instead of spies or sympathizers? What would the allied response be to Germans being recruited to fight Germans? How does the dynamic of the war change with the U.S. implying that the Kaiser's rule is illegitimate and are now fighting a war to 'liberate' the German Federation from tyranny.

With the eventual victory, does the U.S. honor its word and push for a more democratic reform of German government or drop it as soon as the war is over and let their allies dictate the demands more much like OTL? How are German Americans viewed with the war portraying them as the 'real Germans'? Does this pseudo-notion of the 'two sets of Germans' persist into the 20s and 30s? Should the U.S. push for democratic reform fail, does the notion make a resurgence with the actions of the 3rd reich? The notion that the 'real Germans' wouldn't do that and that another war to free the homeland from tyranny maybe needed?

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What if Germany united as a result of the 1848 revolution? - The German Empire in 2021
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What if Germany unified as a result of the 1848 revolution? - The German Empire in 2021 reddit.com/gallery/oeduxl
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TIL that German-born soldiers made up about 10% of Union forces during the Civil War. Some of them were exiled supporters of the 1848 revolutions that swept Europe. After the war, the Forty-Eighters supported improved labor laws, and also advanced development in education, medicine, and journalism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For…
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What if the 1848 revolutions in Austria were so successful that Austria lost most of its non-German regions?

Instead of trying to regain them they instead have a dramatically different policy and try to unite Germany and beat Prussia as the biggest German state

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What do you thing about Arthur's hussar outfit based on the 1848-49 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence hussar uniform (hussar=Hungarian cavarly) reddit.com/gallery/ppi8ob
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Why were the revolutions of 1848/49 Europe-wide, while most other European revolutions before and after were rather constrained to their individual countries? What made the 1848/49 revolutions "special"? Furthermore, why were some states largely untouched by the revolutions?

In 1848 and 1849 a wave of revolutions swept over Europe, with most countries being affected in one form or the other. Many experienced the change from an Absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy (for example Denmark), while others failed to contain the revolutionary fervor and turned wholly into Republics (France), while again others largely resisted the revolution and continued to be Absolute Monarchies, albeit with some progress (Abolition of Serfdom in Austria). In other cases the revolutions were more of a nationalistic nature than an anti-autocratic nature (Poland).

Most other revolutions before (such as the Glory Revolution in England or the French Revolution of 1789) and after the 1848/49 revolutions were restricted to their individual countries. The 1848/49 revolutions were the largest revolutionary upheaval in Europe ever.

Why is that?

Furthermore, not every country experienced revolutionary upheaval. Russia, Belgium and Spain did not experience much unrest, among others.

Why?

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What if a unified German state was successfully created during the revolution of 1848 as a parliamentary monarchy?
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Cutsom U-Bahn Station "Robert-Blum Platz". (Robert Blum = Liberal deputy of the first pan-German parliament, Republican, notable figure in the Revolutions of 1848, executed in the same year near Vienna) reddit.com/gallery/ow1km1
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The United German Confederation | What if the 1848 German Revolutions were successful?
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What if the German revolution of 1848 succeeded?

The German revolution of 1848 was an attempt to unite the German Confederation. Ultimately, it failed because of the Frankfurt Assembly and because its members could not form coalitions. So what if it succeeded?

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Aftermath of the German War (1848–49)
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Since most German immigrants to the United States came from the failed 1848 revolutions why isn’t there more of a collective memory of it in the American consciousness?
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"Germans became able to own dogs freely as a result of the democratisation following the revolution of 1848" from Wikipedia. Just how was Dog Ownership Legislated in Prussia before then?
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171 years ago today, the Hungarian Revolution of 1848-49 broke out.
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TDIH: March 13, 1848, The German revolutions of 1848–1849 begin in Vienna.
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What if the German Revolution of 1848 succeeded?

So historically the Revolutionaries wanted to establish a German state by asking the Prussian King Frederick William IV. to be their Emperor. He rejected historically, but what if they succeeded?

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The voice of Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph, born in 1830, died in 1916. During his lifetime he witnessed the revolutions of 1848, The American Civil War, German and Italian unification, and the beginning of World War I. youtu.be/PdcGCEz32UI
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What impacts did the German 48ers (refugees from the failed revolutions of 1848) have on Civil War Era American politics? (1850s/1860s)

I've already posted this question a few months ago, but I am posting this once more because I got no answers. :(

German immigration peaked during the period of 1850-1860, with over 900,000 German immigrants immigrating to the United States. As well, it is reported that people from all over the world tried to enlist in the Union Army during the Civil War (though they were turned down because actively recruiting them would break neutrality laws) along with massive numbers of immigrants within the United States. (Out of 2 million Union soldiers, an estimated 543,000 were immigrants and another 317,000 were sons of immigrants)

This would mean that these refugees (many of which were in influential, high-level positions) would have a large influence on Civil War Era politics. So, what impacts did they have on Civil War Era American politics?


As well, some separate questions I have are:

  • What percent of the German refugees would be sympathetic towards 48ers but not a 48er?

  • Where did many of 48ers migrate to and why? (I've heard New York City, Chicago, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Texas which all seem like wildly different places)

  • What general resources would you recommend so that I can learn more about the role German 48ers played during this time period?

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AER study: Leaders of the failed German revolution of 1848–1849 were expelled to the US. Once in the US, they helped mobilize volunteers for the Union Army, and the towns they were in were more likely to form local NAACP chapters. aeaweb.org/articles?id=10…
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Today we are remembering the 1848-49 revolution in Hungary, this is revolutionary leader Lajos Kossuth as a primarch
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The German Revolutions of 1848 - Mildly Obscure Setting Discussions

A common trait Assassin’s Creed groups have is the constant theorizing about future settings, because historical tourism is one of the best parts of the series. Many fans want pretty cliche settings such as the American Civil War and Wild West, World War 2, Ancient Rome, and Feudal Japan. Most of these popular settings will be discussed in my series on commonly suggested settings. The common thread between all settings in this series of posts is that they have not appeared on a Ubisoft poll or survey that can be easily found (China, Japan, Rome), they are not overly requested settings by the fanbase (see wild west and world war 2), and they all are relatively known enough to be marketable to a broad base. In each of these posts, I’ll be discussing map areas, cities, architecture, culture, wars, historical events, historical characters, broad conjecture on how AC could work with this, and any existing lore in this area.

In the early 19th century, Europe began seeing massive discontent with the absolutist monarchies across the continent in part due to the rise of liberalism, nationalism, and the new communist movements. The skilled workers and artisans' numbers fell by 93% from 1815 to 1845 due to increased foreign trade and technology. Warehouse and factory workers remained working but their purchasing power dropped significantly as did their quality of life. These combined led to some popularity for Marx and Engels who published the Communist Manifesto in early 1848. Polish Nobility had an uprising in 1846 as more of the population began to demand universal male suffrage not just for the landowners. The early 1840s saw several famines that particularly hit rural areas hard, and the potato blight wasn’t just hitting Ireland, but all of Europe. This would culminate in an alliance of the rural farmers, poor workers, skilled artisans, and even nobility against the monarchies throughout Europe in 1848. This was not a singular movement, though, rather a very divided one that popped up in many different cities and kingdoms with similar goals, at first.

The German Confederation was formed in 1815 by the Congress of Vienna and controlled a large part of Central Europe, including part of the Austrian Empire. The first real seeds of discontent began during the Hambacher Fest in 1832 due to growing unrest from high taxation and political censorship with a desire for nationalism and liber

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WÀre die Revolution von 1848/49 bloß erfolgreich gewesen
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Flag of the German Union if the Revolution of 1848 worked
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Spy coin from Hungarian revolution (1848.-49. Austria, Habsburg)
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Main Revolutionary Centers for the 1848-49 revolutions of Europe [2284x1503]
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My first attempts at emblem making- The seal of German republican Reich essentially my idea a successful 1848 revolution and hamburg parliament. criticism welcome
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TDIH: March 13, 1848, The German revolutions of 1848–1849 begin in Vienna. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger…
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What if The revolutions of 1848 turned into a giant war? | The Great Spring
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TIL "LΓΌgenpresse" orgins was popularized and used by Catholic circles in German Revolutions of 1848-1849, to combat the "liberal" and hostile press. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyi…
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How simular was the german constitution of 1871 to the ideas of the VormΓ€rz and 1848 revolution?
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Spy coin from the Hungarian revolution. 1848.-49. Austria - Habsburg. (personal discovery) reddit.com/gallery/ixingn
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What if Karl Marx become a leader of one of German states after Revolution in 1848?
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What if the German Revolution of 1848 had succeeded
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