Davos Seaworth Puns

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But seriously, I'm bored and don't want to go through hours wading to find the best ones.

Any Davos Seaworth-centric stories that guys can recommend? Also I wonder what would happen if someone reincarnated/SI into as one of Davos Sons to see if they could do anything, I guess?

A giant theme of GRRM's writing/work is his obsession with characters being drawn in shades of grey, right? He doesn't want anybody to be truly all good or all bad, because people aren't. A couple quotes you can skip if you already know all about this. >AbeBooks: Not many of your characters are free from sin, in many ways, which is interesting.

>George: I wanted to affect a certain human reality. I don't like fantasy where everybody is either a hero or a villain, black or white. I prefer to paint with shades of grey. I think it's more true to life. We're all of us angels and demons in the same skin. We do good things and the next day we maybe do terrible things. (https://www.abebooks.com/docs/Fantasy/george-martin.shtml)

At greater length, GRRM "famously" said: >"Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys.

>"It is certainly a genuine, legitimate topic as the core of fantasy, but I think the battle between Good and Evil is waged within the individual human hearts. We all have good in us and we all have evil in us, and we may do a wonderful good act on Tuesday and a horrible, selfish, bad act on Wednesday, and to me, that’s the great human drama of fiction. I believe in gray characters, as I’ve said before. We all have good and evil in us and there are very few pure paragons and there are very few orcs. A villain is a hero of the other side, as someone said once, and I think there’s a great deal of truth to that, and that’s the interesting thing. In the case of war, that kind of situation, so I think some of that is definitely what I’m aiming at."

A few characters threaten to suggest that much as GRRM wants to write a world in which everyone has serious, meaningful moral failings, he can't help but give us a few out-and-out "good guys". Sure, they may have superficial failings, but nothing that we really care about or judge them for.

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This is a quick write up on how I think they've butchered my favourite character in ASOIAF Davos Seaworth.

Towards the start of this episode we see a scene in which the key players in Winterfell are plotting against Cersei. Tyrion and Jon suggest the best tactic is a siege of Kings Landing in order to starve the population, they hope this will force them to turn on Cersei.

Daenerys agrees but infuriatingly Davos just stands in the background and says nothing. Any Davos fan knows this goes completely against his character and importantly his background story.

Davos' History/Lore: video "When Mace Tyrell marched on Robert's home at Storm's End, I spied the end of the rebellion. The castle was garrisoned by Robert's younger brother Stannis and a small guard, and would not hold out for long. When it fell, Robert would be homeless, and his support would bleed away. This, I knew from experience. Months later, Stannis was still holding the castle. Nobody cared. But on voyages, I had seen what famine does; and I thought of all those men in Storm's End, who would die unmourned and forgotten. No better than Flea Bottom orphans. I told my wife, and myself, that I'd get a high price for the onions and salt beef. In truth, I knew I'd be captured by the Tyrell galleys or drowned. But I was too stubborn"

Davos is a man who risked his life to end the famine in Storm's End because it was the right thing to do.. Now he stands there and says nothing as the group he follows plans to siege and starve his home town the largest city in Westeros, he knows the poor are already suffering as he grew up in Flea Bottom.

Davos' character is supposed to be about speaking truth to power even when it could bring him harm.

When Stannis planned to sacrifice Gendry to the Red God did Davos stay silent?

Davos: You do not need to burn the boy...

Davos: His name is Gendry, he is a good lad, a poor lad from flea bottom who happens to be your nephew.

Stannis: What is the life of one bastard boy against an entire kingdom?

Davos: Everything.

Where is this Davos now?

I like to find and think about and write about the seemingly endless supply of "rhyming" going on in A Song of Ice & Fire: parallels between characters/stories, motif-recursivity across time and space, etc. This is a quick post about an interesting and (I think) undeniable "rhyme" that recently cropped up in discussion in the replies to a post I did proposing that Davos could be the Sailor's Wife's "Sailor". (It's wholly independent of that theory; this post doesn't care what you think of it.)

/U/wild2098 commented that the "Davos is the Sailor" theory dovetailed with his belief that Davos is ironborn. He noted that if Davos is the Sailor, this would mean Davos has multiple wives, which is an ironborn trait. (Ironmen who practice the old way have their one "rock wife" but can have many "sea wives".) He noted Davos's missing fingers, presumably like an ironman whose fucked up while "dancing" the "finger dance". He noted that Davos being tagged/positioned as a "dead man" who yet lives— >Dead man was his name for Davos. When he came by in the morning, it was always, "Here, porridge for the dead man." At night it was, "Blow out the candle, dead man." (A Dance With Dragons Davos IV)

—jibes with the ironborn mantra, "what is dead may never die..." The fact that Davos is tagged as "the grey man"— >"A grey man," she said. "Neither white nor black, but partaking of both. Is that what you are, Ser Davos?"

>"What if I am? It seems to me that most men are grey." (A Clash of Kings Davos II)

—sounds like something an ironman of House Greyjoy might be called.

I agree with /u/wild2098 to the extent that there's certainly a "rhyme" in all this, although whether it means Davos is literally ironborn (whether "merely" by blood or by rearing/culture, too) or whether it's just positioning him as a figurative ironman or setting up a "rhyme" for some other purpose, I'm not sure.

OK, so, you might be thinking that Davos's amputated fingers don't just remind us of finger-dancing ironmen in general, but that they more specifically recall the story of how the Greyjoy's maester tried to sew Urrigon "Urri" Greyjoy's accidentally-amputated-in-a-finger-dance fingers back on, resulting in a terrible infection which led the maester to amputate Urri's entire arm, in turn leading Balon to vengefully amputate the Greyjoys' maester's fingers (a

Vuukle won't let me pester Davos to return to the F365exiles community so hopefully he reads this.

I know it's never specifically mentioned on the show; however, Ser Davos Seaworth was most definitely Hand of the King to Jon Snow, King of the North, yes? I know Jon doesn't get a very long reign as King, and that it isn't specifically brought up in the show, however, Ser Davos had to be the closest thing to Hand of King Jon as there could be, right?

I may have seen it insinuated somewhere before that the North doesn't officially recognize the Kings Hand like they do in the southern kingdoms. However I would first ask if that is canon, or subjective opinion, and second, whether or not it matters regardless here. Even if it is not a recognized position, Ser Davos seems to be Jon's closest advisor on most things, both before, and during his reign, and never leaves his side throughout all of it. He is loyal to King Jon, and serves faithfully to the Northern Kingdom, despite being a former peasant who came from a southern realm. He is there to utilize his knowledge and experience, including his service as Hand of the King to Stannis, devoting himself completely to serving the North.

Overall, Ser Davos has been there both with, and for Jon Snow through quite a lot in their time together, beginning back when Jon was elected as Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. He was then also there at Castle Black when Jon was murdered by some of his men, and then resurrected, per his own pleas to, and by Melisandre. He worked alongside Jon and Sansa both in the recruitment of the northern houses, and the wildlings into a single Northern Army with Jon leading them all. He fought along side Jon during his victory at The Battle of the Bastards and the retaking of Winterfell. Then, ultimately, Ser Davos was there when the Great Houses of the North and of the Vale, as well as the Wildlings, named Jon Snow King in the North.

If we assume that Ser Davos Seaworth was Hand of the King to Jon Snow, The King in the North, then who else might you see filling these other typical Small Council positions below?

(Feel free to be liberal with your selections. I tried to keep it to characters from the North and/or characters who were loyal to Jon Snow, including some who died in the Battle for Winterfell)

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• Hand of the King: Ser Davos Seaworth
• *Master of War:

Ser Davos Seaworth and Shireen Baratheon remind me so much of Whitney Ellsworth & Sofia Metz from Deadwood

The friendship between Whitney Ellsworth & Sofia Metz from Deadwood reminds me very much of Ser Davos Seaworth and Shireen Baratheon from GOT. Anyone else feel this way? Obviously it's not likely that there was any influence whatsoever and the parallel between the relationships are pretty surface level. I think Davos and Shireen first met in '98 in 'A Clash of Kings' while good 'ol Mr. Ellsworth and little Sofia weren't acquainted until the scrip was written for the second season in '04 the earliest. Regardless I'm 99.9% positive there wasn't influence one way or the other but I still think of all 4 characters whenever I see one of the 4. Likely I'm alone in being at all interested in this but here I am typing anyway. Thanks for reading if you did

TL;DR: Davos drew Lightbringer from the fire. Davos was reborn amidst salt and smoke under a bleeding star. Davos resurrected Jon Snow and woke the dragon from stone. Davos is the savior that will protect the world from darkness. Davos is the Prince that was Promised.

The prophecy of Azor Ahai reborn (or the Prince that was Promised, Warrior of Light, the Lord's Chosen, etc.) can be tied to several characters, including Jon, Dany, or even some combination of multiple people. Here I will lay out the case for Davos Seaworth, the Prince that was Promised.

Note that I am primarily a show watcher, and so this argument will be largely drawn from that perspective, with some quotes from the books and Wikis to fill gaps where needed. Show clips are linked throughout the post.

Season 2, Episode 1: Sword

> In the ancient books it is written that a Warrior will draw a burning sword from the fire, and that sword shall be Lightbringer. Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Light, your sword awaits you. ~ Melisandre, S02E01

• As seen in this clip, this quote is spoken by Melisandre as she burns effigies of the "false gods," with Stannis and his followers in attendance. This is the first TV mention of the prophecy. Stannis walks forward, pulls the flaming sword from the fire, and sticks it in the sand as shown here. By now, obviously, we know Stannis was not the true Warrior as Melisandre had believed.

• However, sixty seconds after Stannis plants the burning sword among the pyres, when everyone has left the beach, Davos walks over to the sword and casually picks it up, then walks away with it, as seen here.

Season 2, Episode 9 & Season 3, Episode 1: Rebirth

> When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt... ~ Melisandre, ADWD Jon X

Examining the heavier part of this quote first, "...Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt..."

• At the Battle of the Blackwater, Davos is blasted from his ship by wildfire:

> Everyone thought you were dead. ~ Salladhor Saan, S03E01

> I had heard you were dead. ~ Stannis Baratheon, S03E01

• Water is used pervasively in literature as a metaphoric mechanism of cleansing and rebirth. Fire is also widely used as a symbol for rebirth, renewed life, burning away corruption, etc. Davos "comes back to l

I was rereading ASOIAF and I noticed some significant similarities in the backstories of Ser Davos Seaworth and Commander Janos Slynt and stark differences in their characters. From their shared humble origins to their night-and-day moral compasses, Davos and Janos have some very interesting character foils.

Sons of King’s Landing:

Davos Seaworth and Janos Slynt are both lowborn men born in the Westerosi capital city of King’s Landing, seat of the royal family. In a society as strictly classist as Westeros, the ascent of lowborns to positions of significant power, while not unprecedented, is few and far between.

Janos is the lowborn son of a King’s Landing butcher, while Davos was born into the infamous poverty stricken slum of Flea Bottom. Both men share the same roots in the home of the Red Keep. A city where the game of thrones reigns supreme, a city where men like them are born to serve their faceless overlords.

Up-jumped Commoners:

Both men were raised up from their low births to positions of nobility and power due to (in some cases unsavory) services to their feudal lords.

House Slynt became the eighth to hold the cursed castle of Harrenhal by decree of King Joffrey Baratheon. Whereas House Seaworth was deemed to be the first Lords of the Rainwood by King Stannis Baratheon.

“It is also the wish of His Grace that his loyal servant, Janos Slynt, Commander of the City Watch of King’s Landing, be at once raised to the rank of lord and granted the ancient seat of Harrenhal with all its attendant lands and incomes, and that his sons and grandsons shall hold these honors after him until the end of time. It is moreover his command that Lord Slynt be seated immediately upon his small council, to assist in the governance of the realm. So the king has decreed. The small council consents.” - A Game of Thrones, Sansa V

“Then rise again, Davos Seaworth, and rise as Lord of the Rainwood, Admiral of the Narrow Sea, and Hand of the King.” - A Storm of Swords, Davos IV

A Father to his Children:

Fatherhood is another commonality between the two men. Both men have fathered several children prior to the event of A Game of Thrones. As a result, the continuation of their respective houses both consciously and subconsciously affects their decisions in the series.

Davos Seaworth is the adoring father of what was seven sons, now three. Davos Seaworth is a man of low birth who is proud of the fact that he can provide his sons with the opportuni

A giant theme of GRRM's writing/work is his obsession with characters being drawn in shades of grey, right? He doesn't want anybody to be truly all good or all bad, because people aren't. A couple quotes you can skip if you already know all about this. >AbeBooks: Not many of your characters are free from sin, in many ways, which is interesting.

>George: I wanted to affect a certain human reality. I don't like fantasy where everybody is either a hero or a villain, black or white. I prefer to paint with shades of grey. I think it's more true to life. We're all of us angels and demons in the same skin. We do good things and the next day we maybe do terrible things. (https://www.abebooks.com/docs/Fantasy/george-martin.shtml)

At greater length, GRRM "famously" said: >"Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys.

>"It is certainly a genuine, legitimate topic as the core of fantasy, but I think the battle between Good and Evil is waged within the individual human hearts. We all have good in us and we all have evil in us, and we may do a wonderful good act on Tuesday and a horrible, selfish, bad act on Wednesday, and to me, that’s the great human drama of fiction. I believe in gray characters, as I’ve said before. We all have good and evil in us and there are very few pure paragons and there are very few orcs. A villain is a hero of the other side, as someone said once, and I think there’s a great deal of truth to that, and that’s the interesting thing. In the case of war, that kind of situation, so I think some of that is definitely what I’m aiming at."

A few characters threaten to suggest that much as GRRM wants to write a world in which everyone has serious, meaningful moral failings, he can't help but give us a few out-and-out "good guys". Sure, they may have superficial failings, but nothing that we really care about or judge them for.

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Do you think there is a grand plan for Davos, or is he really just there because George needed them to have a POV character for bits of the story he wanted to cover without doing so through others?

I have trouble imagining where George is going with him.

He supposedly has a wife. I still don't get why she wouldn't have moved to be close to him while he served Stannis, let alone when he became hand. His sons are all grown from what I know, so why not? We never have him read a letter from her. I'm starting to wonder if she exists at all, like the protagonist' wife in the movie Memento. He does hold onto his own bones in a bag tied to his neck, he might have a case of the "craycray".

Now he's on a mission to get Rickon because... reasons. Supposedly cause he's a great sailor or some such, but come on, people do trade with Skaggos.

Even if it went something like the show, it just seems a weird way to end the character's arc: so he ends up on the council. Ok, woopie. What is his arc anyway? George always said he wanted to write about "the heart in conflict with itself". What is Davos' inner conflict really? To serve the king or go back home and be a family man? I haven't felt that so far. He is conflicted regarding Stannis, but what about HIM? Is that actually his conflict? That he is losing himself entirely in service, because of how far he came along, until he has nothing of himself left at all?

Curious to hear what people see, if it's just a case of a character that will have ended up with more importance than he really deserves because he was convenient to have, or if it will have been worth it by the end of the books to give him so many chapters.

Alright so I just finished season 3 of Deadwood for the first time and I've got a lot of thoughts and takeaways. Maybe the least relevant of which is that the friendship between Whitney Ellsworth & Sofia Metz reminds me very much of Ser Davos Seaworth and Shireen Baratheon from GOT. Anyone else feel this way? Obviously it's not likely that there was any influence whatsoever and the parallel between the relationships are pretty surface level. I think Davos and Shireen first met in '98 in 'A Clash of Kings' while good 'ol Mr. Ellsworth and little Sofia weren't acquainted until the scrip was written for the second season in '04 the earliest. Regardless I'm 99.9% positive there wasn't influence one way or the other but I still think of all 4 characters whenever I see one of the 4. Likely I'm alone in being at all interested in this but here I am typing anyway. Thanks for reading if you did