A deep dive into The Witcher books: Debunking common misinformation that Ciri is bisexual (using the books)

So, I (pathetically) have bit of a nerdy tendency (and a lot of time on my hands cause I got covid and it's whipping my ass, shoot) to read the books every year, it's become a tradition for me and I just finished reading the last book in the series almost an hour ago. I now have the books quite refreshed in my mind. Since picking up the books again, I've been seeing a lot of online (false) discourse about whether or not Ciri is bisexual.


Origin of the Rumor:

I believe the myth of Ciri being bisexual (popular to render her as such) has been birthed from the games. A lot of people who played the games, may not have read the books. There tends to be a mix up that happens here as the games are not canon. Even if they aren't canon, they have adapted the books wonderfully in their own story.

Another (recent) refresher of this myth is The Netflix series. Just like the games - the Netflix series is not canon. The Netflix series (despite) stating they "will" be faithful to the books, have went their own route far from them. It's been rumored that the series were going to portray Ciri as bisexual, and have Ciri fancy and desire Triss.

The rumour seems to be true, as the show runner, herself, confirms it here

These scenes have been cut. Since then, the repeated misbelief cycle has been reborn again.


Debunking the "relationship" with Mistle: -- Time of Contempt

In the books, Ciri feels hopeless as she is feeling abandoned by Geralt, Yennefer and everyone else she's ever gone to know and loved. That's just the way Ciri unfortunately saw it. She was without meaning, and looking to find meaning. This led to her own solo embarkment and the introduction of 'The Rats.' The notorious murderous gang of troubled bandits who Ciri naively is now a member of.

During Ciri's time in The Rats, she is quite young. She's around at least anywhere from (approx.) 13, to 15. It's been hard for me to tell even all these years later as there is minor confusion in the books regarding her age.

One of the first members who she is introduced to is Kayleigh and the push in why she joins the gang. During the very first night in the gang, Kayleigh (male bandit) at one point forces himself on Ciri and was attempting to rape her until Mistle, a female (bandit) steps in, and rapes Ciri her

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The writing maybe shit, but one thing you can't criticise is that Geralt, Yen, Ciri and Jaskier are all well cast and their actors are putting in a great effort with what they are given.

Some extra points after reading comments.

Yen being miss cast is something that a lot of people are bringing up. However I don't see this as a miss cast but a bad choice is her costume/makeup design. Look at how different Ciri is from S1 to S2. They could definitely adjust Yen to be older looking though costume and makeup choices. Furthermore, alot of what makes her seem immature is not a casting issue but rather a writing issue. If you watch Anya in interviews she seems more than capable of playing the character Yen should be, but she hasn't been given the chance. Her lack lf connection to the character (unlike Henry's knowledge) could mean she has less input on how she is portrayed more accurately.

One thing I would say is that if they swapped the appreance of age between Triss and Yen. There would be a lot less complaints about Yen as a character.

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Can we debunk the common misconception that Ciri is bi?

I keep seeing this getting passed out recently, but no idea where this stems from because it’s a misconception.

In the books Ciri is 15 when she gets wrapped up in the Rats, for those who have not read the books, to simply put it. They’re a gang, and a very terrible one. One of the male members >!attempts to rape Ciri, only to get stopped by a female member. That female member doesn’t stop the rape for the β€˜goodness in her heart’ but because she wanted Ciri for herself. Ciri then gets raped by a woman, and is traumatized.!<

There (in the books) to this day, no writing passage where Ciri has shown interest towards woman. There are no other female lovers in her life and Ciri has never gotten β€œhot and bothered” for woman while there are men where she has for.

Ciri does not β€œexperiment”, she is not β€œcurious” either, if this was in the books (curiosity, and being turned on by woman, yes; that would make her bi-sexual) but the only woman encounter she has is >!getting raped, while she was terrified and exhausted.!<

Ciri is a Stockholm Syndrome victim. She even apologizes to Mistle for not β€œtouching her” because she’s terrified and trying to survive. In the books Ciri doesn’t even get much time to process being a Stockholm victim because of the fast moving events.

So no, canonically Ciri is not bi. Getting raped, does not make you bi. It’s quite problematic, or weird to pigeon hole her as such, based around rape. Rape is not love, or any indication on one’s sexuality.

There are actual characters in the books that ARE, bi though canonically. Which isn’t a misconception. Philippa is one of them. Even Triss if I’m remembering right that is, had a short minor β€˜thing’ with Philippa.

They don’t need to take victims like Ciri and alter her sexuality when there are already characters who are bi canonically.

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Seen some people say Ciri isn't bi because her only queer relationship is toxic and awful, which it is, but she's still bi. Here's a passage from the book that concretely says as much.
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Netflix why? Also Eskel should be the W4 protagonist his W3 ending is flexible & he's not over powered like Ciri
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A quick comic in honor of poor Ciri in S2
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Netflix deleted scenes for Season 2 described in this article. Ciri and Triss was suppose to be a potential lover thing...

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/redanianintelligence.com/2021/12/18/deleted-scenes-and-characters-from-the-witcher-season-2/amp/

For anyone interested, there is an article describing deleted scenes of season 2, and what was going to happen (and some that got filmed) but they cut out.

Some of the key rewrites or deleted scenes was:

  1. Hookup scene with Geralt and Triss. They did film this. That moment in the show seems on the wrong timeline but now it makes sense because it was cut.

  2. Ciri crushing on and interested in Triss. Instead of her being bothered by the men for wearing a dress the original scene is Ciri wearing Geralt’s shirt trying to catch Triss’s attention and interest. The men belittle her for it. There are subtle romantic glances from Ciri when she looks at Triss.

  3. Eskel was an even bigger a-hole.

  4. Lambert romancing both a man and a woman, so, bi-Lambert.

  5. The woman who Jaskier began his poetry journey cause of got cut.

Those were some highlights, there’s a few more.

Not sure how I feel about any of this.

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"I'm ready to embrace my destiny" - my wife as Ciri Knight (by early concept): armor made by her
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Ciri has absolutely no idea who ate the Christmas cookies while we were out shopping. She’s so mad she can’t even look at the plate.
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My Ciri cosplay from The Witcher reddit.com/gallery/s4rsaj
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Ciri and the Kitsune. v.redd.it/fekvwfz7cob81
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I built a Ciri sculpture in minecraft v.redd.it/5pk6zuavw7a81
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Why Does Ciri Look Different in The Witcher Season 2? | The actress has aged some due to the passage of time, which often happens to human actors. Also, she's decided to stop bleaching her eyebrows. web.archive.org/web/20211…
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Been replaying The Witcher 3: The Wild Hunt. So tried my hand at Ciri.
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"Ciri's got eyebrows now, so that’s something" - Freya Allan on her character's development bigissue.com/culture/tv/t…
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Considering Ciri and Mistle "relationship' in the Netflix series

It's pretty obvious judging from the tweets the showrunner made,that the S3 will focus on the Rats.It is also obvious that they will "fix" the "relationship" between Ciri and Mistle in the same vein as they changed Fayes sexuality in the adaption of Cowboy Bebop.They will definitely make it consensual,while also hyping the Rats and erasing all their vile acts.

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My Ciri cosplay
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Season 2 Ciri and Triss
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[spoiler]Can we talk about the fact that Ciri is the Lady of the Space and Time and Not the Lady of the Screams!!

just realize no one is talking about it so I go first... Why on the earth ciri can only active her powers by screaming??!! She's not a bloody bruxa technically Ciri it's a powefull witch and she can mostly use her powers just the way the other witches do!

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There is a post about cut S2 scenes. Apparently Triss x Geralt was suppose to happen, and Ciri was suppose to be crushing on Triss, and trying to impress her in a masculine shirt? Not sure how I feel about that? google.ca/amp/s/redaniani…
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180 hrs later, these are my favorite quests (with bonus Geralt+Ciri moment)!
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The Witcher Season 2 | Ciri And The Pendulum Clip v.redd.it/qzqkq8xhh4581
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Not super interesting but I found the first area you play as Ciri as Geralt
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Took advantage of some snowfall today to get some shots of my Ciri cosplay reddit.com/gallery/rviww6
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During a scene where Geralt (Henry Cavil) explains to Ciri (Freya Allan) that he will protect her with his life, they were unable to get the proper emotional response. Forcing them to replace the Ciri actor with his Warhammer collection, as it is truly, something he will protect with his life.
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Made this digital illustration of Geralt and Ciri taking a rest after a long fight
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Lied when I i said a Witcher game without a Witcher wouldn’t work, make ciri the new protagonist and have her go to different worlds and do her thing. Would be sooo interesting to see CDPR and their take on the different worlds ciri would be able to travel to. Very intriguing, lots of options to see
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Found Ciri..😊😊😊Playing witcher 3 for first time and felt same happiness as geralt felt after finding Ciri ... reddit.com/gallery/s0dqqv
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Does anyone else ever get uncomfortable when seeing Ciri x Avalla'ch art?

You know considering the whole thing when he held her hostage in the elven realm and gave her the ultimatum of ....

"Have sex and get pregnant with my king or you can never go home"

Which also makes me question at all as to why she trust his during the witcher 3, I'm assuming it's something like he helped her in saving Geralt from the Wild hunt.

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Ciri screaming.

These screams are the most cringe thing Ive witnessed this year. Doesnt beat the screaming woman in venom carnage, but is close. Great show ruined by cringe screaming "superpower

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The Witcher S2 | Geralt and Ciri Clip v.redd.it/wz61rtsixq581
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Freya is FANTASTIC as Ciri!

That's it. She's freakin amazing as Ciri.

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[self] Ciri from the Witcher 3 game, cosplayed by me
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I only lurk Netflix Witcher because I didn't know this sub exists until now but someone posted this as passage as evidence that Ciri is gay but am I the only one who doesn't read it or get the vibe that she's saying she's gay?
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Ciri [The Witcher] (2400x4800)
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What Ciri did in the last episode simply doesn’t make sense

She literally killed 3 Witchers in a row while they’re asleep. This is not possible because as I understand correctly Witcher senses are in effect even they’re sleeping and she assassinated them silently without them even notice or having any reaction. Sleep like a lamp.

The sole purpose of having more Witchers in Kaer Morhan is them being kill. For drama. They’re so useless that seem like Geralt is the one and only. Doesn’t even close to a Witcher school to me in the slightest.

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[self] My Witcher Ciri Cosplay
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Ciri, is that you?
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my ciri cosplay from the witcher 3! reddit.com/gallery/rpu62p
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ciri fanart!!
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Which Ciri outfit do you like the most? reddit.com/gallery/s47ais
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Old Ciri

I have come to the depressing realization that when Ciri is old and withered, Geralt and Yen will still be in their primes, looking young. Imagine watching your own daughter grow old when you don't even look 35.

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Ciri, running for her life. Geralt: wouldn’t mind a round of cards. Gwent, specifically.
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Hot take. Empress Ciri was the best ending for her

The ending is decided by ciri and she made her own decision. Not letting her see her father or ignoring going to him is just manipulating the circumstances and is not letting her think for herself. When she sees her father she realises there are bigger responsibilities for her and even though she wants to be a witcher she at least gets to make a decision rather than us forcing her fate in the background.

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[self] my Ciri cosplay!
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so... I converted Ciri from the witcher into Rimuru and I don't regret it. reddit.com/gallery/rxyx2r
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[self] My Witcher Ciri Cosplay
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